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06-12-2013 10:25 AM
Moabrubi
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Originally Posted by Black Magic Brakes View Post
No, 1 is the end of Sunbonnet and 5 is 1/3 of the way into Outer Limits.

This is the early part of Sledge and this pic was taken while the vehicle was in motion and I'll tell you right now that riding with Sergey is not for the faint of heart.


If you are afeared of leaning your rig over, you won't be after a few trips out there.
Awesome pics, Just goes to show how stable these things are even with a 4" lift.

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Originally Posted by BillG.OTD View Post
Here is a link to a cool thread that Blaine sent me awhile back on a guy stretching his TJ into an LJ while retaining the departure of a TJ. Its like a stretched LJ (see PS Daddy Longlegs) As radical as it seems, he is able to completely leave his rear end geometry & gas tank in tact (aside from a longer DS)

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f5/addi...tj-225049.html
That's pretty cool, but I would never do that to a rig I liked .
06-12-2013 12:26 AM
Black Magic Brakes
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Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
Me with one of those Fat jeeps
And here you thought I was kidding about how fast the internet will try to spend your money for you.
06-11-2013 11:58 PM
Gunner
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Originally Posted by JPi1 View Post
Or if you want a stretch Bob, buy a JK unlimited. And two of your best friends can still ride in the back seat!
Me with one of those Fat jeeps
06-11-2013 10:45 PM
Cons_Table
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Originally Posted by JPi1 View Post

Or if you want a stretch Bob, buy a JK unlimited. And two of your best friends can still ride in the back seat!
I told my wife, if something ever happens to my jeep...this is my plan.
06-11-2013 10:34 PM
JPi1
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Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
I would need the perches and shocks done as well as a new tank skid but that would have to be done even without a stretch. I'd need a new top and bows. I like the extra room for storage. And I would still need a suspension kit of some sort. And new driveshafts are a given. Also a custom tummy tuck would be in order. Still sounds like a lot of work. it would be sweet but still seems out of my price range.
Or if you want a stretch Bob, buy a JK unlimited. And two of your best friends can still ride in the back seat!
06-11-2013 06:19 PM
BillG.OTD
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Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
I would need the perches and shocks done as well as a new tank skid but that would have to be done even without a stretch. I'd need a new top and bows. I like the extra room for storage. And I would still need a suspension kit of some sort. And new driveshafts are a given. Also a custom tummy tuck would be in order. Still sounds like a lot of work. it would be sweet but still seems out of my price range.
It does look like a lot of work, but you can see the benefit to this for the person that has the equipment and fab skills because it doesn't require a ton of money in parts. The guy in the thread listed it at one point and it wasn't much. It sure would be hard to basically cut your jeep in half
06-11-2013 04:53 PM
Gunner I would need the perches and shocks done as well as a new tank skid but that would have to be done even without a stretch. I'd need a new top and bows. I like the extra room for storage. And I would still need a suspension kit of some sort. And new driveshafts are a given. Also a custom tummy tuck would be in order. Still sounds like a lot of work. it would be sweet but still seems out of my price range.
06-11-2013 02:22 PM
Black Magic Brakes
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Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
I saw that one. It's a lot of work. Read Expensive.
No stretch tank, that saves 800 plus installation.
If you already have spring perches done, shocks outboarded, and a gas tank skid, none of that gets touched.

You're doing a new rear driveshaft either way so that's a wash.
The plumbing and wiring is much easier than moving a tank behind the seats and don't forget the tank behind the seat will need an enclosure and a filler next which is several hundred dollars not to mention the loss of cargo space.

Both stretches need new corner armor so that's a wash. Both need new rock rails so that's almost a wash.

It's far easier to cut and extend the frame with two straight pieces than it is to re-engineer and fabricate new frame sub sections, remount a bumper, and redo the wheel arches in the frame to kinda get some travel back.

The cage extensions are cake and the body work consists of welding in a panel and finishing the inside with bedliner and the only clean work that will be seen is the 1" long sections at the top of the tub at each end of the patch.
06-11-2013 11:08 AM
Gunner I saw that one. It's a lot of work. Read Expensive.
06-11-2013 09:42 AM
BillG.OTD
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Originally Posted by Moabrubi View Post
Interesting. I thought about what you said and yes IIRC my wheelbase with a 4" lift is actually shorter. So I would gain hardly anything over stock.

I've talked to a few guys and like you they say if you are going to stretch, do it once. I know it's really expensive to do it, so it sounds like it's not even worth it for a couple inches. I wheel with LJ's all the time and there isn't an obstacle that I haven't been able to climb that they have.

Thanks for the input on that. You make it a lot easier for me to see things from a logical perspective.
Here is a link to a cool thread that Blaine sent me awhile back on a guy stretching his TJ into an LJ while retaining the departure of a TJ. Its like a stretched LJ (see PS Daddy Longlegs) As radical as it seems, he is able to completely leave his rear end geometry & gas tank in tact (aside from a longer DS)

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f5/addi...tj-225049.html
06-11-2013 09:11 AM
Black Magic Brakes
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Originally Posted by WOKNROX View Post
Its another 15/20 miles down the road from Camp rock rd off Means dry lake rd...

Keep in mind that we may not have these trails to much longer...
So a couple more years maybe to late.
The road is called Boone road and it will eventually take you to Means Dry Lake.

From the Yucca Valley side Boone is the first entrance to the OHV, about 12 miles further along Old Woman Springs Road is the Bessemer Mine Road which is roughly half way between Boone and Camp Rock Road.

If you are towing, Boone is about 20-22 minutes from the 62 and 247 intersection (247 is Old Woman Springs Road) and the last road you pass before you have to turn right onto Boone is Last Mile Road.

If you haven't passed the sign for Wheeler's Ship It Shop, you haven't gone far enough.
06-11-2013 07:39 AM
WOKNROX
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Originally Posted by minisaba View Post
That looks like a great time to be had. To bad my yj won't see those trails for a few more years. I do want to go check them out to at least know where they are located. How far are this trails from cougar buttes?
Its another 15/20 miles down the road from Camp rock rd off Means dry lake rd...

Keep in mind that we may not have these trails to much longer...
So a couple more years maybe to late.
06-11-2013 07:30 AM
WOKNROX Yeah..you guys need to get out there and live a little...lol
I also would like to see your jeeps with some tattoos and beauty marks too...
06-11-2013 12:58 AM
BillG.OTD
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Originally Posted by JPi1 View Post

We need a trip out later this year. Looks fun.
Sounds good and yeah it needs to be after summer...
06-11-2013 12:47 AM
JPi1
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Originally Posted by BillG.OTD View Post

I think with all your recent additions, your definitely ready for it Stan!
We need a trip out later this year. Looks fun.
06-11-2013 12:39 AM
BillG.OTD
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Originally Posted by JPi1 View Post
I guess it's time to get this yellow JK out to JV, and tackle some rocks. I'll wait till it cools off a bit.
I think with all your recent additions, your definitely ready for it Stan!
06-11-2013 12:13 AM
minisaba
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Originally Posted by Dougzin View Post
I wanna go. I'm now accepting offers to take someone else's jeep out there for them.
I'll be passenger/spotter on passenger side.
06-11-2013 12:05 AM
Dougzin
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Originally Posted by JPi1 View Post
I guess it's time to get this yellow JK out to JV, and tackle some rocks. I'll wait till it cools off a bit.
I wanna go. I'm now accepting offers to take someone else's jeep out there for them.
06-11-2013 12:02 AM
Cons_Table
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Originally Posted by JPi1 View Post
I guess it's time to get this yellow JK out to JV, and tackle some rocks. I'll wait till it cools off a bit.
I dont think your jeep has a chance Stan.
06-10-2013 11:53 PM
JPi1 I guess it's time to get this yellow JK out to JV, and tackle some rocks. I'll wait till it cools off a bit.
06-10-2013 11:51 PM
minisaba
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Originally Posted by Black Magic Brakes View Post
No, 1 is the end of Sunbonnet and 5 is 1/3 of the way into Outer Limits.

This is the early part of Sledge and this pic was taken while the vehicle was in motion and I'll tell you right now that riding with Sergey is not for the faint of heart.



If you are afeared of leaning your rig over, you won't be after a few trips out there.

That looks like a great time to be had. To bad my yj won't see those trails for a few more years. I do want to go check them out to at least know where they are located. How far are this trails from cougar buttes?
06-10-2013 11:20 PM
iwaxmyjimmy
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Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
Why not 37's kenny?
Bc that's to big. I don't want to just roll right over everything. Even though it's more expensive to only go up a couple sizes and then later go bigger. You learn how to maneuver your rig better. And I love doing funkier lines than others with bigger tires bc it give me personal satisfaction of being better. Lol. Wrong but its a good feeling.
06-10-2013 11:09 PM
Gunner Why not 37's kenny?
06-10-2013 11:06 PM
iwaxmyjimmy Those pics make me realize I should definitely should upgrade to 35x12.50s with some wider offset wheels for a little more stability. Got the suspension travel though,

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Wish it wasn't so expensive to go flat belly on JKs.
06-10-2013 10:57 PM
Gunner Blaine watch out. People are going to find out you have a sense of humor. That looks like so much fun.
06-10-2013 10:44 PM
Black Magic Brakes
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Originally Posted by BillG.OTD View Post
Are pictures 1 & 5 in the first group of pics taken in the same place? It looked like the first jeep was on its side but them I saw the other jeep at a front angle and it looks more like the line....I know we all tend to think we are more over than we really are, but that looks close to being over....
No, 1 is the end of Sunbonnet and 5 is 1/3 of the way into Outer Limits.

This is the early part of Sledge and this pic was taken while the vehicle was in motion and I'll tell you right now that riding with Sergey is not for the faint of heart.



If you are afeared of leaning your rig over, you won't be after a few trips out there.

06-10-2013 09:55 PM
BillG.OTD Are pictures 1 & 5 in the first group of pics taken in the same place? It looked like the first jeep was on its side but them I saw the other jeep at a front angle and it looks more like the line....I know we all tend to think we are more over than we really are, but that looks close to being over....
06-10-2013 09:49 PM
Black Magic Brakes
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Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
So I looked and saw a bunch of flat belly, longer travel jeeps. Some on Coil overs and some on short arms and coils. Hard to tell a lot about the running gear but I can see the terrain and it looks like fun. But maybe i'm not ready yet. Heck I would need an LJ just to carry spares.
JV is a tricky place especially when some foolio like me is posting pics to mess with you.

Look at this one which looks pretty intense for a normal rig. What you aren't seeing is why he has to take that line which is due to his extra width and the longer wheelbase putting his tires in spots that a normal wheelbase rig won't have to deal with.



Here is what a normal rig looks like going through the same spot.

06-10-2013 09:17 PM
Gunner So I looked and saw a bunch of flat belly, longer travel jeeps. Some on Coil overs and some on short arms and coils. Hard to tell a lot about the running gear but I can see the terrain and it looks like fun. But maybe i'm not ready yet. Heck I would need an LJ just to carry spares.
06-10-2013 05:45 PM
Black Magic Brakes
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Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
I mean just how modified do you have to go to run a Hammer trail.
I told you where to look for pics.

Your level of build is entirely dependent upon your desires based on how many times you plan on running trails out there. If you have 35's, roughly 4" of lift and some decent clearance, the rig can be readily made to get over most of the trails we normally run.

You may not enjoy the amount of effort it takes or all the crunchy noises you will hear, but it is very doable.

There are places like this on every trail so it matters not which one you pick.









In case you were wondering what stability looks like in almost real life.





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