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10-16-2013 12:26 PM
shirocz
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Originally Posted by jwilson2598 View Post
They won't fit the 2013 and newer 4 door because of the spring assist mechanism. No option for quick disconnects for it because of that.

Thanks for answering my question.

They should stop saying they fit.

Bestop 51290-01 - Bestop Quick Release Bow Knuckles for 97-14 Jeep® Wrangler TJ, JK & Unlimited - Quadratec
10-16-2013 08:07 AM
dav5942 Oredered hardtop only for the JKUR, added Gearshade and was going to get a sotftop but after 8 months running most of it without the hardtop-doubt if we'll get a softtop.

We also have a 04 TJR with softop that we never use. We've got a Bikini and Duster that's all we use.
10-15-2013 08:35 PM
jwilson2598
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Originally Posted by shirocz View Post
So I finally got around to getting the quick release bow knuckles and I'm not sure they are going to work. The lower end looks just like the directions but the upper end doesn't. Has anyone put these on a 2013 4 door?
They won't fit the 2013 and newer 4 door because of the spring assist mechanism. No option for quick disconnects for it because of that.
10-15-2013 08:32 PM
Springtail So heres my .02 (BTW: I am still waiting for my JKUR to arrive)

When I bought my TJ....I went with the dual top option and learned 2 lessons.

1) Actually sit down and read the manual concerning the soft top. There is lots of good info on installing it properly and using it effectively....nuf said.

2) I found that I never used the soft top. In april I would put on my Bestop bikini and Duster and never put up the soft top. When it rained, I kept moving forward and hardly any water came in. When it was parked, I threw up my trail cover and had no worries. In late October....the hard top went on for the winter.

The only time I used the soft top was when I traveled (flat-towing). I owned the TJ for 10 years and the soft top was like new when I sold it....almost ZERO use.

Needless to say....I ordered my JKUR with a hardtop only.

Doc
10-15-2013 02:24 PM
shirocz So I finally got around to getting the quick release bow knuckles and I'm not sure they are going to work. The lower end looks just like the directions but the upper end doesn't. Has anyone put these on a 2013 4 door?
06-17-2013 10:28 AM
shirocz
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Originally Posted by Qdogfox View Post
4 bolts hold it to the rollbar, but you can buy quick releases from Quadratech I think.
Thanks, that looks like a good idea.
06-14-2013 03:09 PM
jrohan07
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Originally Posted by Drmad7 View Post
This is what did until I got the spiderwebshade! Thanks to the spring assist, standing on the side to raise/lower the top is not a problem!
Before my 2013 JKU I had a spiderweb full shade and could not stand in the back seat to raise ST.
Now with the Premuim ST with spring assist and Spiderwebshade stay installed all the time with ST and Hardtop.

This is my number one most important reason for the PST and the Spiderwebshade is a must.
06-14-2013 02:56 PM
Drmad7
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Originally Posted by jrohan07 View Post
The dual top option at time of order is the route I took.
The spring assist is fantastic!!!
TIP: Stand in your back seat to raise your ST not on the side. Don't need a helper!!
This is what did until I got the spiderwebshade! Thanks to the spring assist, standing on the side to raise/lower the top is not a problem!
06-14-2013 02:51 PM
jrohan07 The dual top option at time of order is the route I took. Love the 2013 Premium softtop. Had a 2012 and ordered Bestop Supertop NX and had to put the dam thing together screws and all WAPITA!!!!
2013 ST came completely put together, removed 4 bracket bolts and ST folded, pick up and store on storage cart.
Have Hoist for hardtop in garage, put back on ST myself in 10 minutes.
The spring assist is fantastic!!!
TIP: Stand in your back seat to raise your ST not on the side. Don't need a helper!!
06-14-2013 12:45 PM
Qdogfox 4 bolts hold it to the rollbar, but you can buy quick releases from Quadratech I think.
06-14-2013 11:41 AM
shirocz
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Originally Posted by panthermark View Post
Yes, you are actually supposed to remove the softop from under the hardtop when you first get the Jeep. It is only kept there for shipping. When youput the hardtop back on, you will remove the entire soft top.
So where does it disconnect? Right at the bracket on the rollbar? Sorry if this is in the manual I only flipped through it real quick.
06-14-2013 10:45 AM
panthermark
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Originally Posted by shirocz View Post
Sorry if this question has been asked before but I've never had dual tops before. I just got a JKU a couple weeks ago. The hardtop was on and the softtop was in the back in the way. I have the hardtop off for the summer but when I go to put the hardtop back on can I remove the softtop completely? It's in the way and will make the rear storage useless to anything more than 12" tall.
Yes, you are actually supposed to remove the softop from under the hardtop when you first get the Jeep. It is only kept there for shipping. When youput the hardtop back on, you will remove the entire soft top.
06-14-2013 10:36 AM
shirocz Sorry if this question has been asked before but I've never had dual tops before. I just got a JKU a couple weeks ago. The hardtop was on and the softtop was in the back in the way. I have the hardtop off for the summer but when I go to put the hardtop back on can I remove the softtop completely? It's in the way and will make the rear storage useless to anything more than 12" tall.
06-12-2013 11:18 PM
panthermark Support

Does Bestop manufacture the factory original (OEM) soft tops for Jeep® Wrangler and Wrangler Unlimited?
Yes. Bestop has been the factory original supplier to DaimlerChrysler for Jeep® soft tops since 1986. Bestop has also been the factory supplier of soft tops and accessories for Suzuki, Isuzu, GM, Toyota and many other small SUVs. Additionally, we've also been serving the Toyota truck market and Toyota accessories market for Land Cruiser for over 30 years. At Bestop, we proudly utilize the finest materials and adhere to the factory original specifications for fit, function, style and craftsmanship – so you know you’re getting the best there is.
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The one thing I have not checked to see is if the Supertop NX's come with spring assist like the OEM tops.
06-12-2013 10:59 PM
ZORVMN
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Originally Posted by mike1158 View Post
if you find a Sahara you like for 15% below MSRP....BUY IT !!!!! and RUN ! ! !.. if it doesn't have the Dual top RUN to a shop and order a Bestop TWILL top..its the same as the OE Premium top..
Newb question, trying to justify the HUGE $$ on the dual top and cut a corner if I can...If I understand all the posts here, the factory softtop's main sell is that it goes down & comes with you while some aftermarket tops don't? Does the Bestop twill top qualify as a take with you top?
06-04-2013 11:27 PM
UnlimitedJ33per
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Originally Posted by DallasJKU View Post
I went with hardtop only because I knew I wanted and Off Road Heroes top. Then I bought one and didn't like it and sold it two days later.
Can I ask, which ORH top did you get and what didn't you like about it? I was interested in one myself.
06-04-2013 10:12 PM
ameration I bought my OEM soft top (with hardware) on Craigslist for $375. Just put it on today.
06-04-2013 09:25 PM
mike1158
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Originally Posted by Postmon View Post
I guess what I'm trying to figure out is if I don't get the Premium Top am I really settling for less.

As far as ordering vs. taking one off the lot, some Saharas I see online are being advertised for about 15% below MSRP. My assumption was that I won't be able to get nearly as good a price if I were to order one.
if you find a Sahara you like for 15% below MSRP....BUY IT !!!!! and RUN ! ! !.. if it doesn't have the Dual top RUN to a shop and order a Bestop TWILL top..its the same as the OE Premium top..
06-04-2013 09:14 PM
DallasJKU I went with hardtop only because I knew I wanted and Off Road Heroes top. Then I bought one and didn't like it and sold it two days later. I'm glad I kept the HT, but wish I would have gone dual top option. I am now looking for a soft top, but they are hard to come by in the south especially when you want one. So, I have a hoist coming and will just play the weather game and soon here in Texas it won't rain for 4 months so I will be ok. Then the HT goes back on.
06-04-2013 06:13 PM
cdd543
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Originally Posted by Postmon View Post
If I can't find what I want, I will definitely see about ordering. Thanks for the tip.

You guys brought up another interesting point -- adding heated seats. I did some searching and from what I found you can't yet add heated seats to the 2013's that come with side-airbags. Is that true?
I added them to mine through the dealer and I have the airbags on the side. There was some question at first and the dealer thought they couldn't, but apparently they can now.
05-03-2013 02:08 PM
Postmon If I can't find what I want, I will definitely see about ordering. Thanks for the tip.

You guys brought up another interesting point -- adding heated seats. I did some searching and from what I found you can't yet add heated seats to the 2013's that come with side-airbags. Is that true?
05-03-2013 02:03 PM
ThingsAbove
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Originally Posted by Postmon View Post
I guess what I'm trying to figure out is if I don't get the Premium Top am I really settling for less.

As far as ordering vs. taking one off the lot, some Saharas I see online are being advertised for about 15% below MSRP. My assumption was that I won't be able to get nearly as good a price if I were to order one.
I posted this in another soft-top thread but I don't see how to link to the response. So here it is again as it's relevant.
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You may want to check Craigslist first. At least in my area there are frequently individuals posting unused factory soft-tops for less than half than what you'll pay online as they came with a dual-top option that they never plan to use.

To my knowledge the 07-13 Jeeps can all use a soft top from any of those years but you would need matching hardware for the soft-top from the specific year. For instance I got an unused 2010 top for my 2012 and although the door surrounds and rear window changed for the 2011-2013 soft top it works fine on my 2012 because the seller included all the parts.

If someone is selling a top to you there should be the top (wrapped by a protective vinyl sleeve that you discard after installation), and a box with the door surrounds and rear window bow and another box containing the vinyl windows and rear window clips.

The dual top option came with the soft-top connected to the sport bar so you will need to the 4 bolts that attached the bows from the seller's sport bar. If someone is selling a top they may not remember them because they are under the wrap on the angled down tubes of the sport bar.

Hope that helps.
05-03-2013 02:00 PM
Blkfenderslookbetter
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Originally Posted by Postmon View Post
I guess what I'm trying to figure out is if I don't get the Premium Top am I really settling for less.

As far as ordering vs. taking one off the lot, some Saharas I see online are being advertised for about 15% below MSRP. My assumption was that I won't be able to get nearly as good a price if I were to order one.
"I guess what I'm trying to figure out is if I don't get the Premium Top am I really settling for less. "

- IMHO, Yes. For reason's stated before. Ease of use, fitment, take it with you, looks, warranty, roll it into purchase.

"As far as ordering vs. taking one off the lot, some Saharas I see online are being advertised for about 15% below MSRP. My assumption was that I won't be able to get nearly as good a price if I were to order one."

Don't be to sure about that... in general I think most will agree that most dealers will give you the same deal on an ordered unit, as they will on a unit sitting on the lot. In other words, they typically don't discount units that have been sitting longer (because they don't sit) and it's not like they're going to be "stuck" with your order if you back out.

If you find the one you want that has the hardware you want, ( i.e. auto, 3.73 gears, side airbags, stereo, and color, then have the dealer add the top, and even the heated seats can be installed at the dealer if that's the only reason to look at a sahara ), buy it. Then you have it now. Your dealer can search and try to find one to fit these requirements.

If the only thing missing is the top & heated seats, or even leather, add them at the dealership. Otherwise, order. Waiting sucks, but the agony you suffer during the waiting period... Hurts... So....Good!
05-03-2013 01:53 PM
panthermark Something else to keep in mind. 2013 4-door soft tops have spring assist (I think both normal and premium have this).


Oh....and order what you want. Use invoice, not MSRP.
05-03-2013 01:48 PM
xcoaste When you are at the dealership ask to see a premium top and the standard top. I don't see how the premium top would be easier to put down. My Supertop is the standard top material (sailcloth) and I can put it completely down in probably 2 mins or less if I needed to. That includes unzipping everything. Also consider how often you will have your soft top on your Jeep if you are also getting the hard top and see if that makes a difference. Lastly a soft top typically lasts 5 years depending on your location and use. The windows scratch pretty easily and it might be cheaper to replace them on a standard top compared to the premium. As you can tell I am not big on the premium top, unless you get a killer deal like Panthermark or you don't get a hard top.

Since you mentioned heated seats, there is an aftermarket option for that is well, of course!
05-03-2013 01:26 PM
Postmon
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Originally Posted by nocibur2 View Post
you seem like the type that knows what you want & won't settle for anything less. I think you should strongly consider the 6-8 week wait & go order the Jeep exactly the way you want it.
I guess what I'm trying to figure out is if I don't get the Premium Top am I really settling for less.

As far as ordering vs. taking one off the lot, some Saharas I see online are being advertised for about 15% below MSRP. My assumption was that I won't be able to get nearly as good a price if I were to order one.
05-03-2013 01:13 PM
nocibur2
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Originally Posted by Postmon View Post
Thanks for all the input. I haven't got into pricing yet but the ones on the lot seem to be well-priced online so I'm guessing I'd do better off taking one of the lot rather than ordering one (plus I want it now! ). Right now my must-haves are the two tops, auto trans, side-air bags, 3.73, LSD, power-group, and probably connectivity. Heated seats may be a must-have for my wife which would push me up to the Sahara (I know it's an expensive upgrade for just to get heated-seats!). And we may want a specific color. When I search dealer inventory online, it's doubtful I'll be able to find one exactly like this.

My preference would for the Dual Top option for the Premium Soft Top. But, just not sure I'll be able to find one with that option without having to take a bunch of additional options that I really don't need.

As mentioned previously, I could order the Premium Top from the dealer but I don't know how much they'd discount it as an add-on. Maybe too pricey that way. I'll guess need to think about the style of the Trektop NX vs. the Supertop NX.

Forgetting cost, is the OEM Premium top that much better than the Supertop NX? I understand the material is thicker and it's easier to fold down, but for everyday use during warm season, what makes the Premium that much better?

Hopefully you can take this the right way, but you seem like the type that knows what you want & won't settle for anything less. I think you should strongly consider the 6-8 week wait & go order the Jeep exactly the way you want it. It sounds like it will be the only way you'll be 100% satisfied. Why settle for anything less? I guess if you can't wait because you want it now, then you shouldn't complain about not getting what you want. Simple as that. Ordering & waiting is 99% of the FUN! The whole family will enjoy it that much more after having to wait.

Good luck with whatever you choose!
05-03-2013 12:55 PM
the Grouch
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Originally Posted by Blkfenderslookbetter View Post
Not arguing against this point at all, but I'd guess that the majority of people buying a brand new Jeep are financing it. (With interest rates @ 1.2% why wouldn't you?)

But consider the Premium top adds about $1700 to the bottom line, that means about $30/month on a 60 month loan. For some, that's much easier to swallow, than plunking down $800 out of your pocket for an aftermarket top.

Just sayin'...
When you consider that the hardtop is a $750 option, you really are getting the OEM top for less than a thousand bucks. Which is not a bad price for a brand new top.

I am still watching CL for a soft top, but not a lot show up locally. I may end up bitting the bullet and ordering a Trektop or Supertop.

Edit: Holy c-rap I just checked and the dual top option went up to $2185 and hard top to $995. So now the soft top is really $1200.
05-03-2013 12:52 PM
Postmon Thanks for all the input. I haven't got into pricing yet but the ones on the lot seem to be well-priced online so I'm guessing I'd do better off taking one of the lot rather than ordering one (plus I want it now! ). Right now my must-haves are the two tops, auto trans, side-air bags, 3.73, LSD, power-group, and probably connectivity. Heated seats may be a must-have for my wife which would push me up to the Sahara (I know it's an expensive upgrade for just to get heated-seats!). And we may want a specific color. When I search dealer inventory online, it's doubtful I'll be able to find one exactly like this.

My preference would for the Dual Top option for the Premium Soft Top. But, just not sure I'll be able to find one with that option without having to take a bunch of additional options that I really don't need.

As mentioned previously, I could order the Premium Top from the dealer but I don't know how much they'd discount it as an add-on. Maybe too pricey that way. I'll guess need to think about the style of the Trektop NX vs. the Supertop NX.

Forgetting cost, is the OEM Premium top that much better than the Supertop NX? I understand the material is thicker and it's easier to fold down, but for everyday use during warm season, what makes the Premium that much better?
05-03-2013 12:50 PM
Duke-TJ
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Originally Posted by Blkfenderslookbetter View Post
My $.02:

....found a JKU with the hardtop, but no soft top. I was able to get the dealer to agree to order a premium soft top and add it to the purchase. You can always go that route if you find the Jeep your looking for, and that's the only missing piece.
This seems to be the same situation you are in, and seems to be great advice!
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