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06-17-2013 10:37 PM
m998dna
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Originally Posted by 12thman View Post
I answer the questions you ask and you make irrelevant and incoherent personal attacks again. If you want to continue with that, PM me instead so you aren't wasting everyone's time. I'm betting you won't and will continue seeking attention via this thread, but it will have to be from someone else.


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06-17-2013 03:25 PM
megax05 I fill my tank with 91 for 10$
But its the only thing is cheap here like if want to buy a bumper like rampage or similar product the us price up to 500$ here its like 1200$ and such.
Brand new jku Sahara is around 37k without extras with 60k miles warranty not extendable.
06-17-2013 03:18 PM
n00g7
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Originally Posted by megax05 View Post
Lol the lowest gas we got is 91 and the higher 95 here in Saudi Arabia.
At $1 a gallon too. The Saudis aren't self hating oil producers like us Americans; Saudis love the black gold while we sit on trillions of gallons because the eco freaks think Caribou don't like shiny pipes.
Oddly, the Caribou love those pipes:
06-17-2013 03:07 PM
THW
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Originally Posted by n00g7 View Post

Some stations only have two tanks -- 87 and 91 -- the pump itself then does the mixing.
Now that you mention it, we only had one station with an 89 tank, which we filled half and half. All other stations had just the two tanks, so the 89 must've been mixed at the pump, as you said.
06-17-2013 02:56 PM
megax05 Lol the lowest gas we got is 91 and the higher 95 here in Saudi Arabia.
06-17-2013 02:53 PM
n00g7
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Originally Posted by THW View Post
When I worked for the distributor, mid grade was just a 50/50 mix of 87 and 91- we mixed it at delivery.
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Originally Posted by 12thman View Post
I've talked to a couple drivers that told me they just put 91 in the 89 tank. I wonder if the practice changes between companies or if it's a newer regulation. It might also change by state. Unfortunately, I'm in California.
Some stations only have two tanks -- 87 and 91 -- the pump itself then does the mixing.

In California, you're probably seeing a lot of the same mixture/level of detergents at a lot of gas stations. The reason for which is directly proportional to the level of idiocy in this state. Namely, California (and I believe NJ, too) decided that they needed "special" gas mixtures for winter/summer and therefor we don't truck in gas from other states' refineries. Screw this place, I can't wait to move to Texas.
06-17-2013 02:39 PM
12thman
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Originally Posted by THW View Post

When I worked for the distributor, mid grade was just a 50/50 mix of 87 and 91- we mixed it at delivery.
I've talked to a couple drivers that told me they just put 91 in the 89 tank. I wonder if the practice changes between companies or if it's a newer regulation. It might also change by state. Unfortunately, I'm in California.
06-17-2013 01:14 PM
mackdj1 I find If I take the top and the doors off, Throw my 35" tires on, Turn up my radio and go find a mud puddle to play I generally don't think of gas mileage.....just sayin
06-17-2013 01:11 PM
THW
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Originally Posted by 12thman View Post
In all honesty, when you buy midgrade gasoline from a station supplied by my refinery, you are buying premium. I can't speak for all refineries, but the five in my area only make 87 and 91 afaik.
When I worked for the distributor, mid grade was just a 50/50 mix of 87 and 91- we mixed it at delivery.
06-17-2013 01:07 PM
THW Ok so we have now established from multiple posters who know what they're talking about that there is really no substantial difference between brands of gas.

Maybe the posters who don't work at refineries/distributors/franchisees can just accept that they are now a little more informed, and move on?
06-17-2013 01:00 PM
12thman
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Originally Posted by n00g7 View Post

It's the detergents, which may be added afterwards, not the gas that differs between stations. And that is not always the case, such as you mentioned. But buying Chevron guarantees they'll be in there.
I said this is my original post, but you have to read the fine print at the station. Just because the station is a brand name doesn't mean that it has anything to do with that brand. My company owns hundreds of Shell stations. If you look closely, you will notice that there isn't any mention of V-Power. You would also see that in reeeallly small letters it says "Operated by ******" on the pumps. I'm guessing that Chevron also might sell corporate owned stations with branding rights.
06-17-2013 12:52 PM
12thman
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Originally Posted by n00g7 View Post

Do you add more detergent to the "premium" on delivery? Some brands apparently use the same amount across all grades while others don't.
I work for an independent refiner. We don't have an additive like Techron or V-Power. I know V-Power used to be put by Shell in their 91 only. I'm not sure if that's still the case.
06-17-2013 11:30 AM
n00g7
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Originally Posted by jcrawler93 View Post
sorry to kill the vibe but my family owns several gasoline stores and they all get it from the same tank LOL
It's the detergents, which may be added afterwards, not the gas that differs between stations. And that is not always the case, such as you mentioned. But buying Chevron guarantees they'll be in there.
06-17-2013 11:16 AM
jcrawler93 sorry to kill the vibe but my family owns several gasoline stores and they all get it from the same tank LOL
06-17-2013 10:57 AM
RoadiJeff
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Originally Posted by Scott2373 View Post
Brand of gas / driving style?
Brand? I try to stick with any brand that is TOP TIER certified. As far as octane, I use whatever the owner's manual recommends. Unless extensive engine modifications have been done, anything more is just a waste of money. Our Wrangeler gets 87.

Also, someone asked about midgrade. My V6 Sebring uses it, as recommended in the owner's manual.
06-17-2013 10:03 AM
n00g7
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Originally Posted by 12thman View Post

I'm sure there are some vehicles that specify a minimum octane of 89 (midgrade) but I'm not aware of them. In all honesty, when you buy midgrade gasoline from a station supplied by my refinery, you are buying premium. I can't speak for all refineries, but the five in my area only make 87 and 91 afaik.

Do you add more detergent to the "premium" on delivery? Some brands apparently use the same amount across all grades while others don't.
06-17-2013 04:40 AM
12thman
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Originally Posted by n00g7 View Post

Is it unreasonable to suggest that they spec a lower octane fuel because people would be pissed putting premium in their truck?

WTH is the purpose of midgrade anyways?
Not unreasonable at all. I would bet that on most vehicles under about $50k, manufacturers want it to run on 87 octane to attract customers or at least not deter them. I work with two guys that have F-150s with the Eco-boost engine. They both have tried a few tanks of 91 instead of the specified 87 minimum. Both claim 1-2 mpg gains.

I'm sure there are some vehicles that specify a minimum octane of 89 (midgrade) but I'm not aware of them. In all honesty, when you buy midgrade gasoline from a station supplied by my refinery, you are buying premium. I can't speak for all refineries, but the five in my area only make 87 and 91 afaik.
06-17-2013 04:26 AM
12thman
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Originally Posted by m998dna View Post

Dude... go stand in the mirror. You must have another personality hiding behind there.

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I answer the questions you ask and you make irrelevant and incoherent personal attacks again. If you want to continue with that, PM me instead so you aren't wasting everyone's time. I'm betting you won't and will continue seeking attention via this thread, but it will have to be from someone else.
06-17-2013 01:04 AM
m998dna
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Originally Posted by 12thman View Post
Is this your MO? You attack people you don't know and make up things when you have nothing else?

My first post in this thread stated I work in an oil refinery. I most definitely an not a tree hugger nor do I live up north, so thanks are not needed.

There are a lot of user names on here that don't make sense unless you know where/how they originated, yours included. Most of us don't make asinine guesses or assumptions about them, we simply ask if interested. 12thman refers to fans of the Seattle Seahawks-"The 12th Man" on the field.
Dude... go stand in the mirror. You must have another personality hiding behind there.

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06-17-2013 12:19 AM
n00g7 Oh, and that Golden Tate "catch" is still bullsh*t.
06-17-2013 12:16 AM
n00g7
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Originally Posted by 12thman View Post
I absolutely agree. In no way have I ever defended Chrysler's poor quality control.

Is it unreasonable to suggest that they spec a lower octane fuel because people would be pissed putting premium in their truck?

WTH is the purpose of midgrade anyways?
06-17-2013 12:09 AM
12thman
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Originally Posted by n00g7 View Post

Chrysler has made some pretty terrible vehicles...
I absolutely agree. In no way have I ever defended Chrysler's poor quality control.
06-17-2013 12:06 AM
12thman
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Originally Posted by m998dna View Post
You can thank the tree huggers that live up north.. especially 12thman.

WTH does that user name mean anyway ... you got twelve toes because you came out of the womb unbalanced?
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Is this your MO? You attack people you don't know and make up things when you have nothing else?

My first post in this thread stated I work in an oil refinery. I most definitely an not a tree hugger nor do I live up north, so thanks are not needed.

There are a lot of user names on here that don't make sense unless you know where/how they originated, yours included. Most of us don't make asinine guesses or assumptions about them, we simply ask if interested. 12thman refers to fans of the Seattle Seahawks-"The 12th Man" on the field.
06-16-2013 11:40 PM
Arm67ando im getting high 19's low 20's on my 2012 6spd 3.21 gears and 285/70/17's
06-16-2013 11:27 PM
jkmohican I'll through in my insight here. I have always ran Mobil gas in my jeep since the day I bought it. Mainly because I manage our family owned Mobil gas stations and its a high brand gas. I use to run 93 on every fill up because I use to believe that it was better for any engine to run that and I wanted to give my engine the "best" but I began to research the topic of running premium in vehicles that didn't ask for and it turned out that it can cause some problems down the road due to the combustion rate being off (or something like that). So I began running 87 and I really don't notice much difference. It sounded a little better and was a little more "up and ready to go" with 93 but ID rather run what the engine wants rather than what I think sounds good.
06-16-2013 10:01 PM
SilverSport
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Originally Posted by Trek7.2FX View Post
If it runs fine on 87 (mine does), why on earth would I use anything else? Chrysler says 87, it runs fine on 87, so it gets 87.

Perhaps spending more than is necessary on gasoline is the cool thing to do down south. Seriously, though, if mine was knocking I might try higher octane. More likely I would take it to the dealer and say "fix this".
Mine does run fine on 87 octane when the weather is cooler. And I have no check engine light, no stored codes, I even use Techron every 1K miles to help ensure the combustion chamber is clean. Telling a dealer to "fix this" is easier said than done.
BTW: with 89 octane I get zero knock. Zero.
06-16-2013 08:26 PM
Trek7.2FX If it runs fine on 87 (mine does), why on earth would I use anything else? Chrysler says 87, it runs fine on 87, so it gets 87.

Perhaps spending more than is necessary on gasoline is the cool thing to do down south. Seriously, though, if mine was knocking I might try higher octane. More likely I would take it to the dealer and say "fix this".
06-16-2013 05:28 PM
m998dna I've been doing some reading and I think I stumbled onto something of significance. The 3.6L motor is not a low compression engine. The specs indicate it has 10.2:1 compression.

My 562ci Hemi was 10.5:1 and was built to run on 91 octane - but never did or would so I had to blend 91/100 octane to achieve 94 octane gas. A Union 76 Chemist gave me the ratio to mix to achieve that octane rating. It would run good on 94 but still would dentonate "slightly" in hot weather.

When I ran straight 100 race gas it really woke up - obviously I could retard the timing but I didn't want to defeat the purpose of building a 10 second street car just to detune it to run on 91. I'm glad I had a Union 76 station nearby that carried 100 octane fuel so it wasn't a big issue - other than it was $6.00 per gallon.

Back onto the 3.6... I've noticed in the fine print that Chrysler spec'd 87 octane to achieve California emission standards. So my guess is this motor has potential to run more efficiently on higher octane but they've most likely restricted the ECU / ignition timing and VVT to operate within the emission range based on 87 octane fuel for the state of California.

You can thank the tree huggers that live up north.. especially 12thman.

WTH does that user name mean anyway ... you got twelve toes because you came out of the womb unbalanced?

LOL

N00g7... excluding you brother.

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06-16-2013 04:48 PM
tab22092
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Originally Posted by SilverSport View Post

I can hear it even with the windows down. I would think its severe enough for the sensor to pick up, but who knows? LOL
Silversport i see you reside in ny. I do as well and id honestly like to hear it. I have way to much experience with detonation as i have a turbod drag bike lmao. Forced induction motors love to detonate lol Im not questioning your experience or anything i would just really like to know if our rigs are really subject to that level of detonation.
06-16-2013 04:45 PM
SilverSport
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Originally Posted by tab22092 View Post
Surprises me as well. Unless the knock isnt severe enough for the knock sensor to pick up :/
I can hear it even with the windows down. I would think its severe enough for the sensor to pick up, but who knows? LOL
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