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01-01-2007 06:06 PM
Scout Ok I think I can handle that.

Just to clarify something - verticle movement is ok it's the lateral movement that I want to eliminate correct?
01-01-2007 05:55 PM
MR.CLIFFORD
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Ahh I see. I think I either need a new track bar or maybe a new bolt. I'll take a closer look at it in a bit.

Thanks for your help MR.CLIFFORD.
easiest way to tell is to drop the track bar at the axle and stick the bolt back in the hole. If it moves around then you need a new bracket. Also stick the bolt in the track bar and see if it moves around. An easy way to get the bolt back in the hole when you are attempting to reinstall the track bar is to move your steering wheel around. Have someone work the steering to line up the holes and the bolt falls right into place
01-01-2007 05:50 PM
Scout Ahh I see. I think I either need a new track bar or maybe a new bolt. I'll take a closer look at it in a bit.

Thanks for your help MR.CLIFFORD.
01-01-2007 05:47 PM
MR.CLIFFORD
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You're my hero.

So I'm assuming that the track bar should not move at all at the axle just at the joint where it meets the frame. It should be firm in place? Correct?
for the best handling and steering I believe the bolt should not move. The deflection is in the bushing that is just like your upper control arms. The sleeve stays in place and the bushing moves around it. In some cases the rear bolt hole needs the same treatment.
01-01-2007 05:45 PM
Scout You're my hero.

So I'm assuming that the track bar should not move at all at the axle just at the joint where it meets the frame. It should be firm in place? Correct?
01-01-2007 05:38 PM
MR.CLIFFORD I've got lots of thoughts

This is what happens.



See how the track bar bracket gets wallered out?? I make a new bracket that is just big enough to fit the stock bolt and weld it in place. I had this gusset sitting around and the bolt hole was the correct diameter for the stocker bolt so I just welded it in place. This keeps the track bar from moving which improves your steering.

01-01-2007 04:36 PM
Scout Ok, I just crawled underneath my Jeep and had the wife move the steering back and forth. Everything seemed tight and doing what it's suppose to do except the track bar. There was a lot of movement where the track bar attaches to the axle (inside the bracket). It almost seems like the track bar hole (I guess that's what it is called?) is too big for the bracket. There's just a lot of movement there. For all I know this is normal? It seems to me that if there were suppose to be movement anywhere with the track bar it should be where it attaches to the frame where the johnny joint is. I hope that makes sense?

Any thoughts?
12-31-2006 10:31 PM
Scout Ok thanks. I looked at it online and it was a bit confusing. The site I was looking at offered a bracket but it didn't look like it needed it.
12-31-2006 10:24 PM
MR.CLIFFORD No the JKS track bar does not use a drop bracket. It bolts up to the factory location. You do have to drill out the taper in the factory bracket to accept the larger bolt. The bit is 9/16". JKS has a track bar for up to a 6" lift that uses a currie rebuildable johnny joint at the frame and a factory style bushing at the axle.
12-31-2006 09:33 PM
Scout Does the JKS use a drop bracket?

I like JKS stuff. I'd really like to have some JKS control arms with some RE springs.
12-31-2006 09:04 PM
MR.CLIFFORD
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I'm might ditch the Superlift all together and beef it up with the RE 1610 track bar and the RE 1611 bracket. That seems to be the track bar other U-Turn users are using.
Just because others do it don't make it right. At least in my book. The RE track bars aren't all they are cracked up to be. Extreme duty my...!

Go with the only option for a wrangler and get the JKS track bar. Holy crap they are beefy and well designed. I had the RE 1610 with the drop bracket. bent the crap out of it. I had to bend it back out and gusset the thing up to make it last. The RE bracket squeeks on the frame and moves around. I ended up welding mine to the frame and now wish I hadn't since it is coming off Plus you have to run the RE dropped pitman arm with that setup and I don't care for them either as I split 2 of them and had to get them warrantied.

JKS. DONE!

oh yea... pro comp? Teraflex? Skyjacker? They are all the same
12-31-2006 08:33 PM
Scout I'll get the wife out there in the morning and see if she can move the wheel around and I'll check for anything loose. I HOPE I find something.

I'm glad to hear that the UCA's look ok. I know they're not the best but they arn't Pro Comp.

When I added the ORO U-Turn steering I added a Superlift adjustable front track bar. I'm thinking that if the UCA's are ok then the track bar may be the culprit. I'm might ditch the Superlift all together and beef it up with the RE 1610 track bar and the RE 1611 bracket. That seems to be the track bar other U-Turn users are using.

http://www.4x4rockshop.com/scripts/p...idproduct=9160

Or maybe I'll trade this thing in for a boat.

Thanks for the help guys! I'll update when I get everything checked.
12-31-2006 07:04 PM
jeeperx2 Mr clifford nailed it the center steel sleeve is all you need to be concerned with and your uca's are mostly up & down not much for side to side i would start with track bar & tb bracket?!
12-31-2006 06:46 PM
MR.CLIFFORD I was thinking about your UCA's and I went outside to look at Anya's. Your control arms are supposed to bottom out on the center sleeve. Not the rubber bushing. Other than being stock there is nothing wrong with them. Your lowers look bad because they are pro compish
12-31-2006 06:30 PM
bluvikng Also make sure all of the bolts are still in, and tight, on your rear track arm drop bracket.
12-31-2006 04:36 PM
MR.CLIFFORD If you are feeling a side to side movement there is a very simple process to eliminating any possibilities. Have someone get in your jeep with the engine off. Have them turn the wheel from 11-1 back and forth in a repeated motion. Get under there and watch what is going on. The first couple trouble sections to look for will be the track bar. You want to check both ends (frame and axle) for movement. Also watch your steering box and all your steering components. If there is any movement then you found your fix.
12-31-2006 04:06 PM
04moneypit Hey Scout,

That gap doesn't look bad enough to cause the problems you are talking about, although, if you're concerned, I would pull them and slide some washers in there to tighten it up, and then retorque your bolts. The plastic washers you are seeing on the other CA's are just the edges of the poly bushing (they provide a lip so they don't slip inside the CA's). As far as the vagueness in your steering goes, I would have someone get in your jeep and start it, while you are in front. Have turn the steering wheel back and forth and look for any deflection in steering joints, knuckles, tie rod, etc. Those njoints should allow you to turn, but they should not wobble in the sockets at all.
12-31-2006 04:02 PM
Scout For comparison here's the LCA:

12-31-2006 03:50 PM
Scout
Alignment and UCA questions

I’ve been trying to figure out my front end for awhile now. Since I installed my lift I’ve noticed that the steering has felt “loose”. It feels like the axle is moving under the front end in a side to side movement (make sense?). I’ve adjusted the toe, had several alignments done, re-torched everything including the track bar and it feels better but it’s still not right.

I just crawled underneath this afternoon think maybe one of my control arms could be the culprit. What I found was all of my control arms have a plastic washer between the arms and the bracket. Except for the front UCA’s. My question is: shouldn’t there be the same plastic washers here as there are on the other control arms? Also, if there is would/could this cause some of steering problems? They shouldn’t have this gap should they?

Here’s the pics with the passenger side first then the drivers side:

Huge pics so you can see the details.









You thoughts are appreciated!!!!

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