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Today 12:12 PM
dooms
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
The Tf Coils are 2 door/4 door specific. You'll be right around 2.5-3".

Treat is like anybody else looking to install a 2.5" kit.
The only thing I think you will need.... front lower control arms or drop brackets.
Do you recommend any particular set of drop brackets?

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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
A front track bar is always a good idea, albeit the front axle will only be offset 3/8-1/2 max at 2.5.
I see a few adj. TB's in the 150-199 range. Any I should avoid?

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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
The TF 2.5 WITH shocks and TF 2.5 WITHOUT shocks OR extensions -comes with a rear RAISED track bar bracket. Ensure that is the bracket you are getting. The TF 2.5 with shock extensions DROPS the rear track bar at the frame .. I do not recommend this bracket.
Well - I cant really tell from the picture/parts list if the bracket is a raised or drop version. Any way to be sure?

Final question/comment (and I do very much appreciate the advice) - my only concern with adding the additional parts is that once I do (TB, LCA/LCA brackets, etc...) would I end up being better served getting a different, more complete kit for the around the same total price? From what I see - with the kit + brackets, TB - I am closer to the 1000 range now.

For example - I see Rock Krawler has this one (Rock Krawler JK 2.5 Stock Mod System Kit - RKJK25SM-KIT) for about 900.00 that looks to include an Adj. front TB and rear TB bracket. Or also (Rock Krawler JK 2.5 Flex System Kit - RKJK25FS-KIT). Would these kits both be ok as far as adding heavier bumpers later on?
Today 09:38 AM
scj64
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
What did you get about 4.5 with 3.5 coils ?
Never installed then as I'm still waiting on the Jeep to get here.

I sent the 3 1/2" coils back already and should have the 2 1/2" coils sometime next week about the time the Jeep is supposed to be at the dealer.

I'll post up actual heights before and after.
Today 09:16 AM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by dooms View Post
kjeeper10, Looking to upgrade my lift. Currently have my 2014 JKU on a TF leveling kit (spacers) with 33" Duratracs. Already have the grade 8 bolt kit on as well. Mostly a daily driver. Based on your previous advice to me and some future plans, I am thinking the TF 2.5" coil kit with shocks is the way to go since I do eventually plan on replacing the bumpers. (BTW - only reason I am looking to get the lift now is there are several great sales going on right now!) Questions: - Is there anything else I really need for that kit? Front track bar? The kit looks to come with a rear TB relo bracket. - I dont plan on changing the 33's for a few years, but when I do I will go to 35's - hoping the 33's dont look to small with the 2.5 vs. the leveling. - Without heavier bumpers (will replace in a year or so) I presume there may be additional height over advertised with the TF coil lift - any issues with this? Thanks!
The Tf Coils are 2 door/4 door specific. You'll be right around 2.5-3".

Treat is like anybody else looking to install a 2.5" kit.
The only thing I think you will need.... front lower control arms or drop brackets. Or wait it out and see how the jeep handles. If you find the steering to be flighty/loose .. This means you probably have lower caster numbers. Control arms/drop brackets return caster angle to stock or better.

A front track bar is always a good idea, albeit the front axle will only be offset 3/8-1/2 max at 2.5. You already have the bolt kit .. Adding a stronger track bar will add rigidity of the front end = DW insurance.

The TF 2.5 WITH shocks and TF 2.5 WITHOUT shocks OR extensions -comes with a rear RAISED track bar bracket. Ensure that is the bracket you are getting. The TF 2.5 with shock extensions DROPS the rear track bar at the frame .. I do not recommend this bracket. drilling out the hole sucks and dropping the TB actually worsens geometry..... Raising the rear track bar pulls the axle back closer to center and raises roll center geometry = better handling.

Swaybar links. The 2.5 comes with longer rear links and you would move the stock rears to the front (or run discos)
The leveling kit ... I believe .. Comes with longer front links right ? You will have to figure out what works best and levels the swaybars. I like to get the front +5 or so and the rear -3-0

Good luck and happy holidays
Today 01:46 AM
dooms kjeeper10,

Looking to upgrade my lift. Currently have my 2014 JKU on a TF leveling kit (spacers) with 33" Duratracs. Already have the grade 8 bolt kit on as well.

Mostly a daily driver. Based on your previous advice to me and some future plans, I am thinking the TF 2.5" coil kit with shocks is the way to go since I do eventually plan on replacing the bumpers.

(BTW - only reason I am looking to get the lift now is there are several great sales going on right now!)

Questions:

- Is there anything else I really need for that kit? Front track bar? The kit looks to come with a rear TB relo bracket.
- I dont plan on changing the 33's for a few years, but when I do I will go to 35's - hoping the 33's dont look to small with the 2.5 vs. the leveling.
- Without heavier bumpers (will replace in a year or so) I presume there may be additional height over advertised with the TF coil lift - any issues with this?


Thanks!
11-26-2014 01:50 PM
ruskiroman
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Originally Posted by Em52 View Post
I went with AEV 2.5 XT Dual Terrain w/GEO correction kit and NR4x4 grade 8 bolt upgrade, couldn't be more pleased! Had the same criteria as you mentioned.

I also got the AEV rear tire carrier at the same time, all installed over a 3 day week end.

Don't have any experience with other brands, had a rough country 4" on an old bronco back 10 years ago... Not the same category. I will say as what I've read on this kit, does ride and handle better than stock by my comparison!

Em...
Thanks, I'll check that one out too.
11-26-2014 01:10 PM
Em52
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Originally Posted by ruskiroman View Post

I'm looking to spend no more than $3000 for everything (shocks, springs, control arms, track bars, etc. NOT including wheels and tires) This is just for the parts as I'll most likely be doing the work myself.

I'm looking for 100% bolt on as I have no welding skills and would like to do the lift myself.

Not sure about the arm length. Just looking for whatever will work best with a 2.5" lift on a 2-door JK. Ride quality is just as important to me as off-road ability, so I'm guessing I'll have to balance those two things.
I went with AEV 2.5 XT Dual Terrain w/GEO correction kit and NR4x4 grade 8 bolt upgrade, couldn't be more pleased! Had the same criteria as you mentioned.

I also got the AEV rear tire carrier at the same time, all installed over a 3 day week end.

Don't have any experience with other brands, had a rough country 4" on an old bronco back 10 years ago... Not the same category. I will say as what I've read on this kit, does ride and handle better than stock by my comparison!

Em...
11-26-2014 11:40 AM
ruskiroman
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
Forgot to ask about tire size ?

JK 2.5 X Factor System
What's nice about this kit is the rear axle is moved back a good inch.

Prob the most complete kit available
POLY PERFORMANCE OFF-ROAD Jeep JK Stage 3 Suspension System, 3" Lift

Or MC obviously
I'll be running 35" tires once I do the lift.

Thanks a lot for the suggesstions! I'll look into them as well before I make a final decision.
11-26-2014 11:17 AM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by scj64 View Post
I wanted the same for my JK so I went with the Metalcloak ARB. At first I went with a 3 1/2" kit but decided that was too much for a 2 door with 35's. I called Matson at Metalcloak and as long as they were not installed (still waiting on the Jeep) he exchanged them for free. Great guy to talk to btw! I should have my JK in about a week and I'll do a build thread as I'll be doing all the work myself.
What did you get about 4.5 with 3.5 coils ?
11-26-2014 11:15 AM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by ruskiroman View Post
I'm looking to spend no more than $3000 for everything (shocks, springs, control arms, track bars, etc. NOT including wheels and tires) This is just for the parts as I'll most likely be doing the work myself. I'm looking for 100% bolt on as I have no welding skills and would like to do the lift myself. Not sure about the arm length. Just looking for whatever will work best with a 2.5" lift on a 2-door JK. Ride quality is just as important to me as off-road ability, so I'm guessing I'll have to balance those two things.
Forgot to ask about tire size ?

http://www.rockkrawler.com/ProductDe...tCode=RKJK25XF
What's nice about this kit is the rear axle is moved back a good inch.

Prob the most complete kit available
http://www.polyperformance.com/shop/...t-p-16428.html

Or MC obviously
11-26-2014 10:50 AM
scj64
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Originally Posted by ruskiroman View Post
Can you PM me a link to your build thread once you get it started? I'd be interested in following it.
Will do
11-26-2014 10:43 AM
ruskiroman Can you PM me a link to your build thread once you get it started? I'd be interested in following it.
11-26-2014 10:36 AM
scj64 I wanted the same for my JK so I went with the Metalcloak ARB. At first I went with a 3 1/2" kit but decided that was too much for a 2 door with 35's. I called Matson at Metalcloak and as long as they were not installed (still waiting on the Jeep) he exchanged them for free. Great guy to talk to btw!

I should have my JK in about a week and I'll do a build thread as I'll be doing all the work myself.
11-26-2014 10:17 AM
ruskiroman
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
$3000k on the suspension system alone ?
100% bolt on or no ?
Prefer long or short arm (mid arm) ?
2 door or 4 door ?
I'm looking to spend no more than $3000 for everything (shocks, springs, control arms, track bars, etc. NOT including wheels and tires) This is just for the parts as I'll most likely be doing the work myself.

I'm looking for 100% bolt on as I have no welding skills and would like to do the lift myself.

Not sure about the arm length. Just looking for whatever will work best with a 2.5" lift on a 2-door JK. Ride quality is just as important to me as off-road ability, so I'm guessing I'll have to balance those two things.
11-26-2014 08:45 AM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by ruskiroman View Post
If you were doing a 2.5" lift and looking to spend up to $3000 what kit/kits would you go with? I'll be doing my lift in a year or so (haven't even gotten my jeep yet, should be here before January). I've done quite a bit of research and decided on the game changer kit because it's got all the control arms, track bars, etc, and they're all adjustable. But I'm open to ideas if there is a better kit out there. Also, at what point is it a good idea to replace the drive shaft with a beefier one? 3.5"?
$3000k on the suspension system alone ?
100% bolt on or no ?
Prefer long or short arm (mid arm) ?
2 door or 4 door ?
11-26-2014 07:03 AM
ruskiroman
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
I like metalcloak as a company. No personal experience with any of their parts though. Either my own jeep or others I've helped on.
If you were doing a 2.5" lift and looking to spend up to $3000 what kit/kits would you go with?

I'll be doing my lift in a year or so (haven't even gotten my jeep yet, should be here before January). I've done quite a bit of research and decided on the game changer kit because it's got all the control arms, track bars, etc, and they're all adjustable. But I'm open to ideas if there is a better kit out there.

Also, at what point is it a good idea to replace the drive shaft with a beefier one? 3.5"?
11-25-2014 02:11 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by ruskiroman View Post
I'm a fan of the Metalcloak Game Changer ARB Edition kit too. That's what I'll be putting on my jeep when I'm finally ready to lift.
I like metalcloak as a company. No personal experience with any of their parts though. Either my own jeep or others I've helped on.
11-25-2014 07:56 AM
ruskiroman I'm a fan of the Metalcloak Game Changer ARB Edition kit too. That's what I'll be putting on my jeep when I'm finally ready to lift.
11-25-2014 07:55 AM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by ibmiked View Post
Great advice, and that's the route I will go. Other than the TB bracket, sounds like the rest of the RK kit is solid, right? I've read your previous comments about the shorter lower rear CA that comes with the Max Travel kit. Maybe I'll just stick with the flex kit for now, and build on top of that? Then again, that Metalcloak set up looks good too. Damn this is tough!!! Thank you again for helping me spend lots of money...the right way!
Ha .. I was going to go there but didn't. With a 4 door pinion angle in the rear is not as important. IMO The flex kit is a better option for you. later-if you want to move the axle back. buy the longer lowers and uppers together.

Fwiw .. Rock Krawler will customize arm lengths for you to (no charge)
11-25-2014 07:21 AM
ibmiked
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
Yep .. I would have the same concern. TF makes a bracket. Completely bolt on for around $100
You're given either 2-3 settings depending on the bracket. I personally prefer a higher roll center in the rear. My TB (TF bracket) is currently set In the upper 4" holes. Handling will be slightly better this way. Scrap the RK bracket and favor of a TF Or Even synergy rear bracket.
Great advice, and that's the route I will go. Other than the TB bracket, sounds like the rest of the RK kit is solid, right? I've read your previous comments about the shorter lower rear CA that comes with the Max Travel kit. Maybe I'll just stick with the flex kit for now, and build on top of that? Then again, that Metalcloak set up looks good too. Damn this is tough!!! Thank you again for helping me spend lots of money...the right way!
11-25-2014 06:42 AM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by ibmiked View Post
Thanks for the quick response! Good to know I can drive to get the weld done. I'm just concerned about welding it (the permanent nature of that) if I ever decide to change things up. I've heard lots of good things about the RK coils and their systems, so I likely won't change it...just want to keep options open though. That's why I was looking at the MC ARB; doesn't look like it has any welding, just drilling in the perch for bumpstops. I just want to make sure it's done right the first time! Thanks in advance, and of course, for the TONS of information you've provided to this thread.
Yep .. I would have the same concern. TF makes a bracket. Completely bolt on for around $100
You're given either 2-3 settings depending on the bracket. I personally prefer a higher roll center in the rear. My TB (TF bracket) is currently set In the upper 4" holes. Handling will be slightly better this way. Scrap the RK bracket and favor of a TF Or Even synergy rear bracket.
11-25-2014 06:33 AM
ibmiked
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
All it is a simple bead. You don't have to weld it right away. Bolt up and drives the jeep to a shop. I can't see them charging more than $50 to lay a bead for you.
Thanks for the quick response! Good to know I can drive to get the weld done. I'm just concerned about welding it (the permanent nature of that) if I ever decide to change things up. I've heard lots of good things about the RK coils and their systems, so I likely won't change it...just want to keep options open though. That's why I was looking at the MC ARB; doesn't look like it has any welding, just drilling in the perch for bumpstops. I just want to make sure it's done right the first time!
Thanks in advance, and of course, for the TONS of information you've provided to this thread.
11-25-2014 06:05 AM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by ibmiked View Post
To the suspension gurus... I've pretty much settled on two kits for my '15 JKRU, both 2.5", either the Metalcloak ARB, or the Rock Krawler Max Travel (with Rancho 9Ks or Fox 2.0). Both packages seem fairly complete; however, my question is about the RK kit. I'm leery about having to weld the rear TB bracket to the axle, particularly if I decide to go another route down the road. Is there a way around that? Thanks in advance.
All it is a simple bead. You don't have to weld it right away. Bolt up and drives the jeep to a shop. I can't see them charging more than $50 to lay a bead for you.
11-25-2014 05:35 AM
ibmiked To the suspension gurus... I've pretty much settled on two kits for my '15 JKRU, both 2.5", either the Metalcloak ARB, or the Rock Krawler Max Travel (with Rancho 9Ks or Fox 2.0). Both packages seem fairly complete; however, my question is about the RK kit. I'm leery about having to weld the rear TB bracket to the axle, particularly if I decide to go another route down the road. Is there a way around that?

Thanks in advance.
11-25-2014 05:09 AM
Fr8dawg Love my duratracs! Sure, they are known to have "weak" sidewalls, but damn it they perform great in everything I use them for! Daily drivers, mud, sand, snow, wet roads, dry roads, icy roads... Might not be the best rock crawler tire, but for 95% of the jeeps out there, you cant go wrong with GY Duratracs. (I swear Goodyear doesnt pay me! Just sharing my stoke with these tires! Lol)
11-25-2014 05:04 AM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by uvegeshm View Post
If i want to do a 2.5" lift, and I currently have 17" wheels, what kind of tires could I do? I definitely want bigger than stock, but not obnoxious.
"
Did you see the Goodyear Duratrac?
11-24-2014 11:32 PM
uvegeshm If i want to do a 2.5" lift, and I currently have 17" wheels, what kind of tires could I do? I definitely want bigger than stock, but not obnoxious.
11-24-2014 08:43 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by Newjeepkid View Post
I really enjoyed your write up. I have a 2008 jku and was looking at adding the rancho 2" sport lift with rs9000xls. Would i have to upgrade anything else for this or would it not interfere too much with getting control arms or driveshaft? I know 2.5" is pretty safe but wanted to see if anyone did add or change anything.
Thanks man..
A set of quick disco's up front is nice to have. Other than that, The Rancho 2" kit is complete for the height. Nothing else is needed.
11-24-2014 08:20 PM
Newjeepkid I really enjoyed your write up. I have a 2008 jku and was looking at adding the rancho 2" sport lift with rs9000xls. Would i have to upgrade anything else for this or would it not interfere too much with getting control arms or driveshaft? I know 2.5" is pretty safe but wanted to see if anyone did add or change anything.
11-24-2014 06:43 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by Ndig29 View Post
will be picking everything up tomorrow.. Amazing how much i thought i could trust shops
Ha!! No doubt.
11-24-2014 06:41 PM
Ndig29
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
Were you able to see the printout ?
will be picking everything up tomorrow.. Amazing how much i thought i could trust shops
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