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11-06-2013 11:50 AM
Kingcat Just an FYI to everyone you do not need to match the RMS of the speaker to the RMS of amp. On that note being underpowered is not good and can cause you to blow speakers easy. Your best bet is to get an amp with more power then you need and set gains properly.

For example if you have a speaker with a 100w RMS a good amp would have a 125-150w rms then set the gain with a dmm so you do not over power your speakers. Thus will give you headroom for future upgrade to the speakers. The same goes for the sub.

Remember the gain dial is NOT a volume control and should be set properly!!!!
11-05-2013 07:23 PM
BWKennedy Thanks for all the helpful info!! I will do some more digging this weekend and see what I can come up with. You guys were a big help!
11-05-2013 03:03 PM
ChasUGC
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Originally Posted by Mattk11 View Post
Honestly, you will get the most improvement by switching out the front components and adding an amp. The sound bar signal from the factory HU has limited frequency response and is attenuated when you take off the hard top. Unless you are willing to add a summing device + amp or change out the HU you will not see significant improvement.

Even the premium Infinity and Alpine systems are under powered and are rated at 2 ohms per channel, so unless you go with a 2 ohm speaker, you are going to be cutting the power in half by putting in a 4 ohm speaker.
^x2. And what he said. see what I mean by invaluable information for your specific vehicle?
11-05-2013 02:56 PM
ChasUGC
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Originally Posted by BWKennedy View Post
I still have the stock head unit and speakers up front. Only switched out the roll bar. They are Kicker's 40CS654.....2-100 watts RMS. Looks like you are right. Time to shop for an amp. Thanks!
You need to know the size and configuration of all your stock speakers. There are so many Wranglers with different speaker configurations that no one knows them all. configuration means components or coaxial. size=4x6, 5-1/4" or 6.5". The stock speakers are going to be a "severe" limiting agent for any amp. This is standard knowledge for any Wrangler, or probably most vehicles period. I would doubt that any Wrangler stock speakers are more than 45watts RMS. So, you cannot take advantage of your 100watt RMS rear speakers with a powerful amp, if your amp must be tuned down to 45watts RMS max.

Therefore, you will need to replace the front speakers with something comparable to the power of your rear speakers, before you consider an amp.

You will probably also need to replace the stock HU, because of the way they are configured to run at 2ohms, and limiting the output volume.

First, you really need to do the research on your current system's configuration and determine what it is that you are working with. Then, come back, post that information and you will get better input to what you need to do a proper upgrade to get the best system for your money.

For example, in my 1997 Wrangler, I have 4x6 stock coaxial speakers in front and 5.25 stock coaxial speakers in the rear. After research, I found that I could use Nalins adapters, and change my small 4x6's to 5.25, and bring more volume, quality and wattage handing to my front speakers.

Then, I had to determine which speakers would be best for the money, and the type of amplification that I was interested in. The amps that I wanted had 100watts per channel and 500 watts for the subwoofer(Alpine PDX-V9 or the Power Acoustik Gothic Amp). So, I had to find speakers with approximately 100watts RMS, and a sub that could handle close to 500watts.

Your HU needs another consideration. How much money do you want to spend on it? And what options do you think you want, or may want in the near future? And, for security reasons, does it have a removable face?

You need to research and determine all of these things, before you throw away your money, and realize that you brought incompatible components, or you don't have what you really wanted, and you are disappointed with your system.

This will help you avoid trial and error, and wasting money, like I did.

It's not like I didn't know about car stereo systems. I just never had a Jeep before, and I didn't know what options were available for my Jeep.

I gathered some invaluable information from this forum, which helped me comprise an awesome stereo system.
11-05-2013 08:54 AM
Mattk11 Honestly, you will get the most improvement by switching out the front components and adding an amp. The sound bar signal from the factory HU has limited frequency response and is attenuated when you take off the hard top. Unless you are willing to add a summing device + amp or change out the HU you will not see significant improvement.

Even the premium Infinity and Alpine systems are under powered and are rated at 2 ohms per channel, so unless you go with a 2 ohm speaker, you are going to be cutting the power in half by putting in a 4 ohm speaker.
11-05-2013 05:45 AM
BWKennedy I still have the stock head unit and speakers up front. Only switched out the roll bar. They are Kicker's 40CS654.....2-100 watts RMS. Looks like you are right. Time to shop for an amp. Thanks!
11-04-2013 07:50 PM
ChasUGC
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Originally Posted by BWKennedy View Post
Hey guys. Bought my first Jeep this weekend! 2008 Wrangler. Love everything about it except the roll bar speakers. One was blown and the one was very quiet. I threw a couple of new Kicker 6.5's in and still wasn't impressed. Very quiet, even with the fader only sending a signal to the roll bar. Is this normal on all the Wranglers? Are those speakers under powered? The dash speakers sound fine.
You need to know the RMS rating of your speakers and the RMS of your HU, to determine whether the speakers are under powered. Are you running 5.25 components in front and 6.5 coaxials in the roll bar? Are you running the stock radio, and which brand is it? If its too quiet for you, you need an amp. But, you need the RMS ratings of your speakers to determine the proper amp.
11-04-2013 05:10 PM
BWKennedy
2008 Speakers

Hey guys. Bought my first Jeep this weekend! 2008 Wrangler. Love everything about it except the roll bar speakers. One was blown and the one was very quiet. I threw a couple of new Kicker 6.5's in and still wasn't impressed. Very quiet, even with the fader only sending a signal to the roll bar. Is this normal on all the Wranglers? Are those speakers under powered? The dash speakers sound fine.
05-25-2010 06:44 PM
golfgod130 Thanks alot guys. You have been a big help!
05-25-2010 03:01 PM
Jaydogg25 you will get more highs..as in cymbals crashing. all tweeters do is the very high range, so yes and no. you will get more highs, but wont effect bein able to get higher volume and keeping it cleen, though may "sound louder", but it won't be you will still be limited by the power the radio does. which is only normaly 17-20 watts rms.

being big on quality dont settle for something "cheap", only as good as your weakest link. but it's your vehicle & money. just make sure you look & listen 1st before buying so your not "wasting" money
05-25-2010 02:45 PM
golfgod130 I saw these:

Quadratec Exclusive JW-JKTWEET - Super Tweeters (Pair) for 07-10 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK - Quadratec

If I get these and install without upgrading my amp will I get more from my system?

I'm not to big on getting a new amp.

Right now I just plug my iPod Touch into the AUX input which is ok but I'm sure the USB will give better quality (I'm big on quality) plus I could control my iPod from the radio which is alot safer. And as I understand it, you need to get a new amp before head unit.
05-25-2010 02:02 PM
Maddogmick but like i said before listen to them 1st. everyones taste is different...think of it almost like beer.. just bc most ppl like bud light doesn't mean you will...

Love that I think everyone will understand it now jaydogg!!!
05-25-2010 02:00 PM
Maddogmick
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Originally Posted by golfgod130 View Post
Thanks guys

So basically I need to get a better amp and a set of tweeters to really get my music louder.

Anyone care to point me toward amps and tweeters that are slightly better than stock?

Also on another note. will I need a new head unit?

Thanks again!
I agree with Jaydogg go to best buy and listen to them they normally do a good package deal.
Last year I bought a digital face off with mp3 plug in and xm radio for the golf cart and the whole thing was 200 bucks.
this year I bought an AVIC with no speakers but other goodies and it was 2200 bucks!
so go to the shop listen decide how much you want to spend and stick to it.
Very easy to keep going up in price.

Mick
05-25-2010 01:37 PM
Jaydogg25 all up to personal prefrence. i normaly like a aftermarket radio not only for features (aux inputs, usb, mp3 etc), easier to hook up a amp and cleaner sound (rca's)...now theft wise factory is nice bc looks like everything is stock, though will have to use a line level converter to change speaker wires to a rca signal.

as for what kind of amp & speakers. it's all up to you get what you like. listen to them and decide what you like. i wouldnt get "off brand", "low end" or real "high end". may cost alittle more than low end but get a nice mid range prices speaker. something around about $100/pair.

for instance what i sell @ my shop "bang for the buck" is memphis PR line of amps & speakers. tweeters msrp $70/pair, 5-1/4" msrp $90, and 4 channel amp for about $300...retail prices change depending on shops & locations.

thats what i run in my jeep. have had system for over 7y and still kickin.

but like i said before listen to them 1st. everyones taste is different...think of it almost like beer.. just bc most ppl like bud light doesn't mean you will...
05-25-2010 12:43 PM
golfgod130 Thanks guys

So basically I need to get a better amp and a set of tweeters to really get my music louder.

Anyone care to point me toward amps and tweeters that are slightly better than stock?

Also on another note. will I need a new head unit?

Thanks again!
05-25-2010 09:53 AM
Maddogmick
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Originally Posted by Jaydogg25 View Post
just replacing speakers isn't goin to make it louder.. your still running same power to speakers...only way to make it louder (and correct way) is to replace speakers and add a amp to them. that way you keep sound clean while making it louder.

yes best buy can "install" but keep in mind their "installers" are low end installers ppl hired off street bc big box shops dont want to pay high end installers.
Oh Jaydog how true I had them fit my first stereo a few years ago and they said it was fully acceptable to put the xm radio aerial through the back brake light near the top of the roof, when I told them I didn't want that they refused to remove it, it leaked and caused me a lot of problems.
I had my new one installed by a shop that only specializes in stereos.
It cost me but the install was awesome.

Mick
05-25-2010 09:52 AM
AfterMath I forgot to mention that my 4x6 and 5.5 inch speakers are all aftermarket, and my stereo is as well, hence why it can handle 4 speakers on 1 channel, and the 6x9's on the other channel.

The marine stereo equipment is great for a wrangler if you park it outside with the top down all the time, for those sudden rain storms. Or if you go mudding with the top down, otherwise its not really necessary.
05-25-2010 09:49 AM
Maddogmick
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Originally Posted by gminton View Post
I added 6x9's that float around in the back, in addition to my 4x6 in the front and 5.5 in my soundbar.

Yes, my stock speaker set up is much different.

However, upgrading your speakers will allow you to reach higher volumes without tearing your speaker cones apart. high end speakers handle higher watts.

I have doubled my "volume" without an amp.
Hi all not to step on anyone's toes here being the new boy.
I have just been thru this whole stereo system bit, I had an avic-z110bt fitted in the last week.
If you fit a more expensive speakers you will get a better quality sound and depending on what power out put you get from your stereo.
Tweeters will give you a better high end sound, 6x9 are a good quality speaker, I guess from what you are saying your stereo output could handle bigger speakers hence they are loader.
They do a 4 speaker system with stereo which is water proof high output that is only $240 just Google marine stereos.
If this over budget then you can just get a set of waterproof JBL speakers high output for about $50 Google that as well.
Just my 2 cents hope it helped

Mick
05-25-2010 09:39 AM
AfterMath I added 6x9's that float around in the back, in addition to my 4x6 in the front and 5.5 in my soundbar.

Yes, my stock speaker set up is much different.

However, upgrading your speakers will allow you to reach higher volumes without tearing your speaker cones apart. high end speakers handle higher watts.

I have doubled my "volume" without an amp.
05-25-2010 09:35 AM
Jaydogg25 just replacing speakers isn't goin to make it louder.. your still running same power to speakers...only way to make it louder (and correct way) is to replace speakers and add a amp to them. that way you keep sound clean while making it louder.

yes best buy can "install" but keep in mind their "installers" are low end installers ppl hired off street bc big box shops dont want to pay high end installers.
05-25-2010 01:33 AM
golfgod130
Upgrading 2008 Factory Speakers

So i want my music louder. To me it seems like the tweeters are what you really hear. I really only want to upgrade either the tweeters or the sound bar. which ever one is heard more by the driver. Any ideas?

Also, I have no idea how to install speakers. can Best Buy do it for me?

Thanks

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