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07-05-2014 02:02 PM
NyCSnEaK Op is giving great advice on the grease being used on any type of rubber seal. I've been using the ShinEtsu for over a decade and since then, none of my seals on any car I've owned have dried up or cracked.
07-05-2014 10:34 AM
scipio337 Its was the very first result in a google search for "shin etsu alternative". I may just stick to using the Turtle Wax Ice spray I've been using. I haven't had any leaks yet, but I'm taking a Colorado road trip, and don't want to take any chances.
07-04-2014 08:59 PM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by scipio337 View Post
Question, Dave. I looked at the white lithium grease I use for other things, Pertex, and of course, it's 90% petroleum distillates.

I perused the intrawebs looking for a cheaper (and more available) alternative, and found this, posted by you:



Alternative to Shin-Etsu grease? - S2KI Honda S2000 Forums

Granted, that was a while ago, but what changed your thinking on this? I'm looking for something I can buy locally that will do the trick. I'm not sure if plain old lithium grease will fit the bill.
Haha, funny you found that post. Honestly, that was back when it was much harder to get, and I haven't used it as much. I used other lithium greases, but never had results as good as the honda stuff, so I stuck with that. It's also easy to get these days (thanks to amazon). Knowledge and years of first hand use can change a man's mind.
07-02-2014 09:35 AM
scipio337
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
So Im on my second JKU, both with hardtops only. First one had 23K before I gave it up and I have never had a leak. From my time on forums, I have seen that most people have leaks due to seal issues. Well, here are two things to can do (one is cheap, the other is free) so it behooves you to do them.

1) Keep your seals healthy and greasy. I write about the product I recommend here. It is Honda Shin-Etsu grease. Will keep your rubber plump, pliable, and protected, letting it do it's job...

Question, Dave. I looked at the white lithium grease I use for other things, Pertex, and of course, it's 90% petroleum distillates.

I perused the intrawebs looking for a cheaper (and more available) alternative, and found this, posted by you:

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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC
Posted 28 November 2006 - 01:28 AM

Shin Etsu is nothing more than white lithium grease..... You should be able to get it at any autoparts store (although many times, they never stock white, only black....)....try not to use silicone on rubber seals...once it is absorbed, the rubber cannot be treated again...
Alternative to Shin-Etsu grease? - S2KI Honda S2000 Forums

Granted, that was a while ago, but what changed your thinking on this? I'm looking for something I can buy locally that will do the trick. I'm not sure if plain old lithium grease will fit the bill.
06-09-2014 08:52 PM
Milkman Jeff posted this over in another thread but thought it may fit here too.

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Speaking of leaks, here's an idea Tom and I came up with that would eliminate the common leak at the center of the Freedom panels - a one-piece "Freedom from Leaks" panel with provision for a sunroof. What do people think of the idea?
06-09-2014 08:51 PM
chargermop
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Originally Posted by spudley View Post
Anyone have photos of what a new,non leaking jeep door seals should look like?
My dealer had to paint the inside of the hard top for warranty work and ever since the seals have paint over spray on them and the foam is quite flattened & the rubber portions a bit mangled looking.

I have leaks.

Some photos of what it should look like would likely get me a free warranty replacement of the seals.

Thanks!
At the point you have leaks and they over sprayed the seals I would demand seals be replaced to start with, then go from there.
06-09-2014 08:39 PM
spudley Anyone have photos of what a new,non leaking jeep door seals should look like?
My dealer had to paint the inside of the hard top for warranty work and ever since the seals have paint over spray on them and the foam is quite flattened & the rubber portions a bit mangled looking.

I have leaks.

Some photos of what it should look like would likely get me a free warranty replacement of the seals.

Thanks!
06-09-2014 05:12 PM
Todd Phooz
05-26-2014 12:59 PM
Palehorse68 Great information
04-28-2014 04:34 PM
Mack207 Anyone found the cause or fix to the leaks at the top rear corner of the doors? Every time I stop I have water dripping down my neck. Cleaned the seals and applied the honda stuff weekend before last.
04-21-2014 01:06 PM
Up Hill Bill
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Originally Posted by Jamie lee View Post
Ok, so now I have a leak between the 2 panels; by the release lever.....anybody else?
If you mean the "L" shaped lever near the front of the panels, yes, very common. I've been fighting it with varying degrees of success since purchase.

I remove the panels and carefully clean and grease the seals and re-seat the panels on a fairly regular basis - as weather permits. I've let the dealer try to fix it twice, only to make it much worse with the first attempt, and then a little better with the second - I'm quitting on dealer fixes while I'm ahead!

Aside from very careful maintenance of the seals and installation of the panels, as the first post in this thread recommends (below), be careful not to over tighten the screw knobs on the sound bar - just barely snug does it - too tight seems to be one of the causes of this particular leak.

I also keep a small Sham-Wow handy .... an essential piece of Jeep gear!



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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
So Im on my second JKU, both with hardtops only. First one had 23K before I gave it up and I have never had a leak. From my time on forums, I have seen that most people have leaks due to seal issues. Well, here are two things to can do (one is cheap, the other is free) so it behooves you to do them.

1) Keep your seals healthy and greasy. I write about the product I recommend here. It is Honda Shin-Etsu grease. Will keep your rubber plump, pliable, and protected, letting it do it's job.

2) MAKE SURE YOUR SEALS ARE NOT PINCHED. Here is what Im talking about. After installing the SPOD, I noticed I pinched the seal. If I had left it like this, I'm certain the top would have leaked in moderate rain.

If you see the seal pinched, undo the DRIVERS SIDE panel, lift it straight up (while sitting in the driver's seat) and put it back down. When you install the panels (passenger side first obviously) put it into position anyway you like then sit in the proper seat (passenger seat for passenger panel, etc) lift panel straight up then carefully lower it straight down, so it butts up against the seals STRAIGHT. Do NOT slide the panel into position, this will move the seal with it, and possibly leak. When both panels are properly in position, go ahead and tighten down all the latches. My method is visors, rear corners, front center, rear center. Go back up on top of the jeep and check seals, and make sure they are not pinched. If all good, tighten down the screw things. Go back up top, check seals again. If all good, take the palm of your hand, and run it from the main hardtop body to the freedom panels ( do one at a time). If the panel is slightly ABOVE the main top, tighten the screws a bit more. If the panel is sunken in BELOW the main top, you overtightened...go inside and back off the screw a bit...recheck until flush or as close to flush as possible.

Thats all she wrote folks.
04-21-2014 01:04 PM
Mack207
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Originally Posted by Jamie lee View Post
Ok, so now I have a leak between the 2 panels; by the release lever.....anybody else?
Above the dash? I get one there when the seals between the panels are dirty. Pop the drivers side off, take a wet rag and clean the lip on both, and replace. Mine was leaking last week - I cleaned the area and applied a liberal coating of shin-etsu grease and it stopped. We've had ~ 1" of rain since I've done that and no leaks to report.
04-21-2014 10:03 AM
Jamie lee Ok, so now I have a leak between the 2 panels; by the release lever.....anybody else?
01-15-2014 08:42 PM
bbili
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
So Im on my second JKU, both with hardtops only. First one had 23K before I gave it up and I have never had a leak. From my time on forums, I have seen that most people have leaks due to seal issues. Well, here are two things to can do (one is cheap, the other is free) so it behooves you to do them. 1) Keep your seals healthy and greasy. I write about the product I recommend here. It is Honda Shin-Etsu grease. Will keep your rubber plump, pliable, and protected, letting it do it's job. http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/sco...ad-357785.html 2) MAKE SURE YOUR SEALS ARE NOT PINCHED. Here is what Im talking about. After installing the SPOD, I noticed I pinched the seal. If I had left it like this, Im certain the top would have leaked in moderate rain. This is what is SHOULD look like... (ignore the white stuff, it's just excess grease) This is what it looks like if you pinch it. If you see the seal pinched, undo the DRIVERS SIDE panel, lift it straight up (while sitting in the driver's seat) and put it back down. When you install the panels (passenger side first obviously) put it into position anyway you like then sit in the proper seat (passenger seat for passenger panel, etc) lift panel straight up then carefully lower it straight down, so it butts up against the seals STRAIGHT. Do NOT slide the panel into position, this will move the seal with it, and possibly leak. When both panels are properly in position, go ahead and tighten down all the latches. My method is visors, rear corners, front center, rear center. Go back up on top of the jeep and check seals, and make sure they are not pinched. If all good, tighten down the screw things. Go back up top, check seals again. If all good, take the palm of your hand, and run it from the main hardtop body to the freedom panels ( do one at a time). If the panel is slightly ABOVE the main top, tighten the screws a bit more. If the panel is sunken in BELOW the main top, you overtightened...go inside and back off the screw a bit...recheck until flush or as close to flush as possible. Thats all she wrote folks.
Thanks for the info!! ... Been looking for something like this.
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01-10-2014 05:02 PM
Mack207 Welp, parked in a level parking space today, and of course it started leaking again. Even with the honda grease, it's still leaking at the passenger A pillar and at the bottom of the doors. I have to go in for the tranny line TSB, so I'm going to try to get them to replace all the seals on the hardtop and doors.


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12-10-2013 02:21 PM
rirrgang
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Originally Posted by Old Dogger View Post
Thanks Dave, great Info!
I use Vaseline on mine, it helps to seal, and keep the rubber ply able.
I'm in Phoenix and the sun really dry's them out!
Don't use Vaseline. It's a petroleum product and will eat your seals over time. Use a good silicon grease since most seal are made of synthetic materials.
12-10-2013 01:05 PM
Mack207
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Originally Posted by Jamie lee View Post
I agree, it's definitely the door seal above the window. However, my leak is not consistent. It rained heavy again and it didn't leak. I will monitor it for a few weeks to see if i should bring it in.
Mine only leaks when the front is higher than the back. If I back in to my parking spot, no leaks.


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12-10-2013 10:53 AM
Jamie lee I agree, it's definitely the door seal above the window. However, my leak is not consistent. It rained heavy again and it didn't leak. I will monitor it for a few weeks to see if i should bring it in.
12-09-2013 07:52 AM
Mack207 Noticed another leak at the bottom of the front passenger door. The gasket on the door has a weep hole at the exact location as the leak. I may try to seal the hole. I'll post pics as well, if it ever quits raining. Hardtop hasn't leaked since I cleaned the seals again. Will be applying some of the Honda grease of insurance.


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12-07-2013 10:02 AM
tab22092
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
Oh, my thing is for the hardtop. I don't own a softtop so I can't really offer any help in terms of leakage. Usually softtop seals not only have to be greased up, but also the top has to be properly tensioned. Unfortunately, I have no idea how to add tension to a wrangler soft-top.
Well the top seems good to go, its just the door seals as far as i can tell. And the thing i noticed is that one of those little "tabs" that are on the seals is missing in the drivers side. The little black ball looking things.
12-07-2013 09:48 AM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by tab22092 View Post
Thanks for the step by step dave. Just want to give you the whole story i have a soft top so no freedom panels. The leak is coming from my a pillar. Looks like my door seals are compromised somehow. I did notice something on my door seals and will post a pic of it later.
Oh, my thing is for the hardtop. I don't own a softtop so I can't really offer any help in terms of leakage. Usually softtop seals not only have to be greased up, but also the top has to be properly tensioned. Unfortunately, I have no idea how to add tension to a wrangler soft-top.
12-07-2013 08:07 AM
tab22092 Thanks for the step by step dave. Just want to give you the whole story i have a soft top so no freedom panels. The leak is coming from my a pillar. Looks like my door seals are compromised somehow. I did notice something on my door seals and will post a pic of it later.
12-06-2013 10:45 PM
NFRs2000NYC BTW, it's been pouring on the jeep for 2 days now, not a single drop. Either my solution keeps the top seals in optimal working order, or Im the luckiest jeep owner ever, having two JKs without a single drop of water ever coming in. Just figured I'd post an update.
12-06-2013 10:44 PM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by nvkid View Post
I applied ArmorAll to all the seals and now it sounds like a bunch of mice squeaking.
Armorall is not grease. It wont work, and can actually dry out the seals.
12-06-2013 10:43 PM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by tab22092 View Post
Will be ordering it shortly lol

Edit: could you do a step by step of how to apply this product? To wipe excess off or not? Etc?
Sure.

1) Remove freedom panels.
2) Take wrag or microfiber (clean), soak in warm water, wring out, and wipe all the seals down very well...if super dirty you might need to rinse and repeat until the seals are completely clean. Don't forget to clean the seals on the freedom panels themselves as well.
3)Let the seals dry (just leave the jeep parked in the sun for a few minutes, even in the winter (air is dry, so they will dry quickly.) Consume beer #1.

4) Put on nitrile glove on your dominant hand.
5) Place tube of grease in other hand.
6) Apply a bunch of grease in a line on your index finger about an inch long.
7) Stand on your rockrails/sidesteps, and start from the middle point out towards the doors...first the windshield seal then the rear seal.
8) Put grease down at the center point then drag back towards you.
9) Spread the grease evenly and LIBERALLY, get it in all the crevices. Its ok if you have excess, no need to have globs, but visible white grease is fine.
10) Grease absolutely all seals that are part of the sealing system, including the seals on the freedom panels themselves.

11) When you put the freedom panels back on, try and do it as vertically as possible so that the seal seats correctly. Put the seal over the doors and put it down on the roof, then, hop inside the front of the jeep so that you can raise the panel over your head, and lower it down as vertically as possible. Keep side to side motions to a minimum...you don't want the seals to "bend in." After you put both panels back, check to make sure the seals aren't pinched, and begin latching....check again the seals aren't pinched. After that, begin tightening the screws...check seals are not pinched...if they are, remove screws, unlatch top, and start again...latch, screws, etc. To check the tightness, take a credit card, and stand it up on its edge...2/3rds of it on the main portion of the hardtop, and 1/3rd touching the freedom panels. If its doesn't touch the freedom panels, you overtightened, if you see light/space near the center of the CC (its crooked)...you didn't tighten it enough. Once the freedom panels and the main top are 100% level, you are good to go.
12-06-2013 09:22 PM
nvkid I applied ArmorAll to all the seals and now it sounds like a bunch of mice squeaking.
12-06-2013 08:01 PM
tab22092
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
Dude, just try my solution. If it doesn't work, then you have other issues.
Will be ordering it shortly lol

Edit: could you do a step by step of how to apply this product? To wipe excess off or not? Etc?
12-06-2013 07:23 PM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by tab22092 View Post
Well, just tried it out. And idk if its bc its cold and couldnt settle in but it made it worse. Took a paper towel too it with some soapy water to get it off. Might be trying the grease next.
Dude, just try my solution. If it doesn't work, then you have other issues.
12-06-2013 05:25 PM
tab22092 Well, just tried it out. And idk if its bc its cold and couldnt settle in but it made it worse. Took a paper towel too it with some soapy water to get it off. Might be trying the grease next.
11-29-2013 07:22 PM
Kthulhu
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Originally Posted by tab22092 View Post
Well after going to honda and looking online i Picked up a bottle of this.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004B8GTQG
Will try the grease of this dosent solve the problem but looking at the reviews looks promising. Something about putting "grease" on my seals just turns me off a little so its my last resort. Plus mein volks always make good stuff.
Ja, das stimmt!
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