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08-23-2010 10:44 PM
dfwislander Relax airdwn. A question was asked about engine and tops, people shared their experiences and why's. I didn't see anyone flaming either way, I think you're reading way too much into it.
08-23-2010 07:56 AM
AirDWN
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Originally Posted by distortedtj View Post
Opinions are opinions. Some will like hardtops, some will be all for soft tops. Others will hate one or the other or both. Whatever ones likes are are fine. We are all different.

Keep your posts civil and stop with bashing on each other.

Not that I'm complaining--I can dish it as well as take it--but of all discussion boards I would think this discussion board would be the least likely to have members bash each other. We're all basically driving the same vehicle as it has been ever so slightly updated throughout the decades.

The argument about soft tops v.s. hard tops is unnecessary beyond providing an explanation as to why you prefer the top you have especially the hype about being "more in touch" with the road--Please. The bottom line is this: whether you have a hard top or a soft top they all come off. The weather forecast is clear for the whole week. You can bet I'm commuting to work topless everyday.

Whether you have a CJ5 or a JK the bottom line is, overall, none of the models in stock form have no more significant off-road advantage than the next. The 4.0 v.s. the 3.8 argument is pointless. I've driven a 4.0 Jeep and didn't feel enough of a significant advantage That I felt I had to shoot myself in the head with a Smith and Wesson because I bought a 3.8 JK.

Everyone should just enjoy their jeeps for whatever uniqueness and/or similarities they possess and keep it moving. At the very least save the flame wars for if some dude in Range Rover or a Hummer comes waltzing up in here with one of their own "why our vehicle is better" comments.
08-22-2010 03:26 PM
sonofabeach
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Originally Posted by AirDWN View Post
Really? Are you serious?

This coming from the guy that's afraid to drive through puddle of water in his Jeep?
??? Don't get it.
I guess you missed the joke
Nevertheless it's your Jeep , you can do whatever you want topwise.
I have both soft and hard....er..that's what he said!
ba doom bap!
08-22-2010 03:11 PM
JIMBOX Rats and I was ready toget a fifth--

I mean stand on the fifth-

Staying CIVIL makes it so much more enjoyable too !!

JIMBO
08-22-2010 03:01 PM
distortedtj JIMBOX.... My comment was directed at the entire forum. Not one individual, Or one post, but the entire thread.

No need for anyone to bash on anyone here. Plus it's against the rules.
We can easily discuss tops without being harsh to others.
08-22-2010 02:48 PM
JIMBOX You posted this right after my question--


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Originally Posted by distortedtj View Post
Opinions are opinions. Some will like hardtops, some will be all for soft tops. Others will hate one or the other or both. Whatever ones likes are are fine. We are all different.

Keep your posts civil and stop with bashing on each other.

Are you considering my post as BASHING ??

Please let me know--

--JIMBO
08-22-2010 02:41 PM
distortedtj Opinions are opinions. Some will like hardtops, some will be all for soft tops. Others will hate one or the other or both. Whatever ones likes are are fine. We are all different.

Keep your posts civil and stop with bashing on each other.

08-22-2010 01:13 PM
JIMBOX


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Originally Posted by AirDWN View Post
Hell yeah!! Why the Jeep designers never thought to make a versatile hard top from the get-go is beyond me. And the fact that the JK rear seat simply folds over and pops up makes it that much easer to stuff the t-tops in the back.
What won't it do for you ???

JIMBO
08-22-2010 01:02 PM
AirDWN
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Originally Posted by rogertc1 View Post
AirDWN... my Suzuki X-90 has T-tops i just put in the trunk!!!! T tops are great.
Hell yeah!! Why the Jeep designers never thought to make a versatile hard top from the get-go is beyond me. And the fact that the JK rear seat simply folds over and pops up makes it that much easer to stuff the t-tops in the back.
08-22-2010 05:42 AM
rogertc1 AirDWN... my Suzuki X-90 has T-tops i just put in the trunk!!!! T tops are great.
08-21-2010 10:47 PM
dfwislander I've owned 3, and my experience is this material is very tough. I have never had a tear in normal conditions, and the idea it's too cold for the heater to warm up is just silly. The noise? Ah, that a "feature" and a privilege of driving a jeep!
08-21-2010 09:20 PM
AirDWN
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Originally Posted by GAFahy View Post
I like being in tune to what's around me. I like to hear what's going on out there. I think this whiney post against soft tops has me sold to get rid of my hard top. Thanks AirDWN, haha
You want to be in touch with what's around you. That's great.

If I want to be in touch with everything around me while I'm driving down the highway I'll ride my Harley.

When I commute to work everyday I prefer the hard top.

Besides, instead of worrying about going soft or hard top I'd rather just take the rear top off and leave the t-tops on. Or I can just leave the rear top on, take the t-tops off and tuck them behind the back seat. Best of both worlds.

I have no problems with storage especially since if I take the whole top off I can simply stack the t-tops inside the rear top and tuck it neatly next to the washer and dryer in the garage.
08-21-2010 09:16 PM
AirDWN
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Originally Posted by sonofabeach View Post
that's what she said
Really? Are you serious?

This coming from the guy that's afraid to drive through puddle of water in his Jeep?
08-21-2010 01:13 PM
rogertc1 I went with my YJ, 1/2 doors, sound bar, and soft top because I like the rugged simplicity in my Jeep. ( I have a hard top in storage that came with it.) Not a care if I get scratches. No monthly payments and only liability insurance.
I have other SUV's, trucks and cars with AC, auto trans, auto start, power windows and locks if I need them.
Loving life.
08-20-2010 05:35 PM
J-Rock I stand corrected. I did go back and reread that part of the manual that states don't use both. My confusion was with the fact that mine was in a boot when I bought it and there was no contact between them so I didn't see the harm. I will do more research next time. Thanks for setting me straight.
08-20-2010 10:51 AM
JIMBOX Thanx Bb, I did that because of my previous comments about the heavy fog my little Nevada town gets, in the early mornings !!


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Originally Posted by Blackbeard1718 View Post
Jim!

Cool Pic, with all of the lights on!



J-Rock!

As InfernoGirl mentioned above, it's NOT recommended to have both tops on at once. I've got an '09, and my Owner's Manual (an actual Book... not that Bastage CD...) states to REMOVE the Soft Top, if the Hard Top is installed. BTW, if there is damage sustained to the Soft Top as a result of having the Hard Top over it, then your Jeep Dealer MAY NOT repair/replace the Soft Top under Warranty.

Paul Wrangler!

My Jeep came with a Hard Top when I bought it last year. I wanted one with a Soft Top, so I could experience the, "Jeep Adventure"! I Traded the Dealer the Hard Top for a Soft Top, plus used the difference in $$$ for some Mopar Accessories at their Parts Department. I drove around with the Hard Top for a week, while I waited for my Dealer Appointment to have the Tops switched. I felt it was too confining, and didn't like that my visibility was hampered by the Rear Wiper box. After the Soft Top was installed, I could hear some of the outside noise, but I liked that. Now, my Soft Top is Down most of the time, and I have a Sun Bonnet over the front part of my Jeep, to keep the direct Texas Heat directly off of me.

Ideally, the Dual Top Option is the best of both worlds, if you have somewhere to store your Hard Top. The Mopar Storage Dolly would be great to have, and would let you store your Top, Freedom Panels, and Doors on it, conveniently out of the way.

MOPAR 82210645 - MOPAR® Hard Top Storage Dolly for 07-10 Jeep® Wrangler Unlimited JK 4 Door - Quadratec

Best of Luck!

Cheers!

BB
If it ain't heatin/rainin/snowin/blowin and Tumbleweedin--it's Fogging !!

JIMBO
08-20-2010 10:38 AM
Blackbeard1718 Jim!

Cool Pic, with all of the lights on!



J-Rock!

As InfernoGirl mentioned above, it's NOT recommended to have both tops on at once. I've got an '09, and my Owner's Manual (an actual Book... not that Bastage CD...) states to REMOVE the Soft Top, if the Hard Top is installed. BTW, if there is damage sustained to the Soft Top as a result of having the Hard Top over it, then your Jeep Dealer MAY NOT repair/replace the Soft Top under Warranty.

Paul Wrangler!

My Jeep came with a Hard Top when I bought it last year. I wanted one with a Soft Top, so I could experience the, "Jeep Adventure"! I Traded the Dealer the Hard Top for a Soft Top, plus used the difference in $$$ for some Mopar Accessories at their Parts Department. I drove around with the Hard Top for a week, while I waited for my Dealer Appointment to have the Tops switched. I felt it was too confining, and didn't like that my visibility was hampered by the Rear Wiper box. After the Soft Top was installed, I could hear some of the outside noise, but I liked that. Now, my Soft Top is Down most of the time, and I have a Sun Bonnet over the front part of my Jeep, to keep the direct Texas Heat directly off of me.

Ideally, the Dual Top Option is the best of both worlds, if you have somewhere to store your Hard Top. The Mopar Storage Dolly would be great to have, and would let you store your Top, Freedom Panels, and Doors on it, conveniently out of the way.

MOPAR 82210645 - MOPAR® Hard Top Storage Dolly for 07-10 Jeep® Wrangler Unlimited JK 4 Door - Quadratec

Best of Luck!

Cheers!

BB
08-19-2010 06:16 PM
CMEvans79 I have a hard top... that I use in the winter ... I will put it on when it get's too cold to put the soft top down ... like, November. I love my soft top, its down as much as I can keep it down ... Except these last two weeks while I am waiting on repairing it.
08-19-2010 06:07 PM
andreafahy01
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Originally Posted by AirDWN View Post
No disrespect to soft top owners but ARE YOU KIDDING ME??????

Before I bought my 07' Sahara hard top I test drove a 09' soft top and I could hear EVERYTHING. I could hear the tires hit the potholes, I could hear the asphalt as I increased speed, I could hear engine noise from cars that I passed/passed by me, I could hear the plastic windows flapping, I could hear the tires hit each bump in the road on the highway.........

Hell no.
I like being in tune to what's around me. I like to hear what's going on out there. I think this whiney post against soft tops has me sold to get rid of my hard top. Thanks AirDWN, haha
08-19-2010 05:34 PM
InfernoGirl Well, that explains it.... Have you folded down the top yet? It never goes down quite as neatly for the average person.... I'm not trying to be mean, I just don't want you to think no harm can come from this, and then others read it and think the same thing... I am the worst about doing a neat job of folding my top, my husband does a much nicer job than I, but I still think if we put a hard top over it, it would rub. And I guess the new JK's don't come with instruction books, but I know my owner's manual specifically says not to do that, so I just try to share the info I pick up along the way....
08-19-2010 05:05 PM
J-Rock
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Originally Posted by InfernoGirl
If the soft top is installed under the hard top, there can be areas where the soft top contacts the hard top. Friction occurs when the two surfaces meet, and eventually, with enough friction a worn spot or hole will appear. Do as you wish, it is your top, but Bestop and Chrysler will both tell you not to leave the soft top installed under the hardtop for this reason.
I understand what you are saying. When I bought mine both were installed but they never made contact with each other. The soft was rolled up and secured in the back. Thank you for the tips! I'm new to jeep so I'm still learning.
08-19-2010 04:36 PM
InfernoGirl If the soft top is installed under the hard top, there can be areas where the soft top contacts the hard top. Friction occurs when the two surfaces meet, and eventually, with enough friction a worn spot or hole will appear. Do as you wish, it is your top, but Bestop and Chrysler will both tell you not to leave the soft top installed under the hardtop for this reason.
08-19-2010 04:32 PM
J-Rock
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Originally Posted by InfernoGirl

Dual tops are an option on all Wranglers. They are shipped with both tops installed to save space. Once delivered to the owner, one of the tops should be removed. Running the hard top over the soft creates premature wear in the soft top as is noted in the owners manual. If you want to run the hard top, get the soft top out of there, you are rubbing holes in it.
I don't have both on. It came with both installed. My hard top is collecting dust in the garage. How would it be rubbing holes in the soft top with both installed?
08-19-2010 04:28 PM
CMEvans79 and if you buy the quick disco's for the soft top, removal is even easier than using a screw driver!
08-19-2010 04:22 PM
InfernoGirl
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Originally Posted by J-Rock View Post
May depend on what year your jeep is but on my JK it cam be dual equipped. The soft top just folds down and the hard top goes right over it. No problems or issues with having both on except the space the soft top takes up.
Dual tops are an option on all Wranglers. They are shipped with both tops installed to save space. Once delivered to the owner, one of the tops should be removed. Running the hard top over the soft creates premature wear in the soft top as is noted in the owners manual. If you want to run the hard top, get the soft top out of there, you are rubbing holes in it.
08-19-2010 03:35 PM
J-Rock
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Originally Posted by 6inarowmakesitgo
the soft top doesnt seem that much different than a regular convertible except the plastic windows. i think there is no right choice if you have to pick one or the other. the only right choice is both. if you like the ones that have a softtop on now then go that way and get a used hardtop. thats what im doing. i do have one question. will the hardtop fit over the soft top or do you have to take it off first? oh yea and what is a bikini top? how is it different?
May depend on what year your jeep is but on my JK it cam be dual equipped. The soft top just folds down and the hard top goes right over it. No problems or issues with having both on except the space the soft top takes up.
08-18-2010 05:21 PM
sonofabeach
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Originally Posted by AirDWN View Post
I'm as tough as they come. I military press my hard top when I take it off and put it on just for fun. but it's not about being tough. It's about if you use a Jeep as a daily driver and spend a lot of time on the road you don't want hear a bunch noise and have to have your stereo cranked up all the way all the time in order to cancel out exterior noise. I prefer to be civilized on the weekdays. The weekends are for going topless.
that's what she said
08-18-2010 03:14 PM
6InARowMakesItGo the soft top doesnt seem that much different than a regular convertible except the plastic windows. i think there is no right choice if you have to pick one or the other. the only right choice is both. if you like the ones that have a softtop on now then go that way and get a used hardtop. thats what im doing. i do have one question. will the hardtop fit over the soft top or do you have to take it off first? oh yea and what is a bikini top? how is it different?
08-18-2010 01:05 PM
AirDWN
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Originally Posted by InfernoGirl View Post
It's a Jeep, you gotta be tough to own one! Imagine life with no power windows, door locks, or mirrors.....
I'm as tough as they come. I military press my hard top when I take it off and put it on just for fun. but it's not about being tough. It's about if you use a Jeep as a daily driver and spend a lot of time on the road you don't want hear a bunch noise and have to have your stereo cranked up all the way all the time in order to cancel out exterior noise. I prefer to be civilized on the weekdays. The weekends are for going topless.
08-18-2010 11:14 AM
Paul_Wrangler I testdrove a Soft top today. I got it up to 60mph and I could hardly hear a thing. Nothing the radio cant fix. I'll definatly get a soft top!
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