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10-03-2010 07:18 PM
ttim i was looking for LCOG info about 10 months ago myself. what i didnt want to do was ANY welding for longarms stuff (i just dont trust my welding enough to put it on public roads yet!) and i spent a ton of time trying to find a bolt on setup. i decided to start with my winch bumper first, and go from there. lucky for me, i decided on a rokmen bumper, and while i was picking it up, Dave was asking me about the future of my jeep.
what he sugested, i can now agree and recommend! (i should get free stuff for all the word of mouth i do haha!)
i did all this at once, but parts can be done a little at a time.
body lift (i think its 1.5" ?), SYE, motor lift stuff first.
tummytuck armour and skids (gas tank, tucked belly pan, tranny armour)
2.5 lift kit from rokmen (they use stock mounting points, no cutting or welding required)(they use the old man emu stuff, cant say enough good about its performance!)if you dont think short arms will flex as much as long arms, again, check out their pics for proof!
this setup will allow you to run 33" and stuff them perfectly (ill start some pic posting in a day or two) with no rub, no cutting at all. (im also using a 2 inch wheel spacer)
i drive an 06 unlimited rubi, which is my daily driver, and have been on many of the tougher moab trails and experienced little or no scrapes on hells revenge (i walked up escalator) golden spike, poison spider, and a lot of the local colorado trails.
my plans are to go up to 38's after i regear, and all i will have to do is go with a hi-line front fender setup, and a rear wheel well cutout.(anything over 33's will need this done. it looks like you could put larger tires, but the uptravel rub would be horrid) i will not have to do another lift or anything else to pull this off (they run 40's with the exact setup im using right now)

i dont knock bigger lifts and bigger tires, i used to run a 93 zj on 7" and 35's and worked well, just wasnt as stable as i wanted. this is what i wanted this time, and i cant see me doing anything else.

pm me if you would like any more info or pics. or just talk to the guys.
09-23-2010 07:16 PM
warlock4890
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Originally Posted by Rawkon View Post
a long arm kit on a 2.5 kit will just drag control arms everywhere.
I know it's manufacturer but not according to RE's rear radius arm page: Rubicon Express, Inc.

I'm trying to find more pics on Google but the kit hasn't been out too long.

EDIT: Its been out a bit longer than I thought...
09-23-2010 06:48 PM
Rawkon a long arm kit on a 2.5 kit will just drag control arms everywhere.
09-23-2010 05:07 PM
Cons_Table
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Originally Posted by WahooWolfe View Post
Forgive me for asking but being the noub that I am, what is LCG and LCOG?
Low Center Of Gravity
09-23-2010 05:04 PM
WahooWolfe Forgive me for asking but being the noub that I am, what is LCG and LCOG?
09-23-2010 05:00 PM
Cons_Table Long arm will improve your ride quality. But I doubt it will be all that beneficial on 2.5" of lift
09-23-2010 04:57 PM
warlock4890
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Originally Posted by Cons_Table View Post
a 2.5" LA wont be much benefit over a standard SA
I've read in multiple places that a long arm suspension is a dramatic improvement in ride quality due to the geometry change. That's the main reason I want one.

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Originally Posted by KBR97 View Post
He's right...you'll be doing all this work to get better clearance underneath but in returm your long arms are just gonna get hung up on everything.
Ditch the body lift and throw in a 2-3" coil and highline the fenders....done
I've seen the threads about Jerry getting caught up all the time with pics. I think the Long vs Short thread was about 20 pages of people arguing back and forth on which is better. It's my daily driver/weekend warrior so I'm more into ride quality.

Also, I need the body lift for my future Rokman skid and the tummy tuck.
09-23-2010 04:20 PM
KBR97 Yes your right...I forgot he mentioned the MML too....so yeah keep the body lift. Your better of with it.
09-23-2010 04:11 PM
cavediverjc
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Originally Posted by Bubba68CS View Post
I'm assuming thats to get the bottom of the skid closer to the frame rail level?
Correct.
09-23-2010 04:10 PM
Bubba68CS
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Originally Posted by Cons_Table View Post
You will find that some skid plates need a BL for simple installation. For example the Rokmen gas tank skid asks for a BL for install, or you have to buy special spacers. With tummy tucks, since your TC is mounted to the skid, when you lift it higher you need room above it, hence a BL.

EDIT: x2 on the SYE^^^
Makes sense, thanks.
09-23-2010 04:08 PM
Bubba68CS
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Originally Posted by cavediverjc View Post
Most tummy tucks require a 1" body lift and a lot of them also require a SYE as well.
I'm assuming thats to get the bottom of the skid closer to the frame rail level?
09-23-2010 04:07 PM
Cons_Table
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Originally Posted by Bubba68CS View Post
Please do go into more detail
You will find that some skid plates need a BL for simple installation. For example the Rokmen gas tank skid asks for a BL for install, or you have to buy special spacers. With tummy tucks, since your TC is mounted to the skid, when you lift it higher you need room above it, hence a BL.

EDIT: x2 on the SYE^^^
09-23-2010 04:05 PM
cavediverjc Most tummy tucks require a 1" body lift and a lot of them also require a SYE as well.
09-23-2010 04:02 PM
Bubba68CS
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Originally Posted by Cons_Table View Post
Or keep the BL and throw on 2-3" coils. The BL will help with skids and a tummy tuck in the future.
Please do go into more detail
09-23-2010 04:00 PM
Cons_Table
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Originally Posted by KBR97 View Post
He's right...you'll be doing all this work to get better clearance underneath but in returm your long arms are just gonna get hung up on everything.
Ditch the body lift and throw in a 2-3" coil and highline the fenders....done
Or keep the BL and throw on 2-3" coils. The BL will help with skids and a tummy tuck in the future.
09-23-2010 03:55 PM
KBR97
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Originally Posted by Cons_Table View Post
a 2.5" LA wont be much benefit over a standard SA
He's right...you'll be doing all this work to get better clearance underneath but in returm your long arms are just gonna get hung up on everything.
Ditch the body lift and throw in a 2-3" coil and highline the fenders....done
09-23-2010 03:47 PM
Cons_Table
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Originally Posted by warlock4890 View Post
I've got 33's on my 05 TJ with only a 1.25 JKS body lift. I plan on doing a tummy tuck, so I also did the 1" Motor Mount Lift. I have a "Extra Clearance Skid" and a "LOPRO Trans Mount" from Under Cover Fab Works, but I wasn't able to get them on before I was sent to FL for 6 mos.

I'm also contemplating either high lining the front fenders (factory or tube) or a RE 2.5" Long Arm kit. Or both...
a 2.5" LA wont be much benefit over a standard SA
09-23-2010 03:45 PM
warlock4890 I've got 33's on my 05 TJ with only a 1.25 JKS body lift. I plan on doing a tummy tuck, so I also did the 1" Motor Mount Lift. I have a "Extra Clearance Skid" and a "LOPRO Trans Mount" from Under Cover Fab Works, but I wasn't able to get them on before I was sent to FL for 6 mos.

I'm also contemplating either high lining the front fenders (factory or tube) or a RE 2.5" Long Arm kit. Or both...
09-23-2010 03:42 PM
Cons_Table
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Originally Posted by KBR97 View Post
His Jeep is a little (a lot) different now than whats in that pic....If thats who I think it is...Lance??
7" strech...total of 111" WB
Ya I thought it was lance too. His rig is significantly different now than in that pic lol. I just pulled up his profile to double check

lancetkenyon's Jeep Profile :: Golden Raisen
09-23-2010 03:36 PM
KBR97
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Originally Posted by Cons_Table View Post
Doesnt his current setup have a stretch?


His Jeep is a little (a lot) different now than whats in that pic....If thats who I think it is...Lance??
7" strech...total of 111" WB
09-23-2010 03:35 PM
Cons_Table
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Originally Posted by Jeepzcb09 View Post
No stretch i got the specs directly from him
Doesnt his current setup have a stretch?
09-23-2010 03:32 PM
Jeepzcb09
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Originally Posted by Cons_Table View Post
That rig has a wheelbase stretch also though. Wouldnt that create a lower center of gravity even though he still has 6" of lift?

EDIT: in that particular picture, I dunno if hes done the stretch
No stretch i got the specs directly from him, and the axles are a stock D44 with a HP D30(same width as a TJ D30) out of a XJ,only diff is its High Pinion and has reverse cut gears for more internal strength. However now days hes running a stretch with D60's fornt and rear on 38's or 40's cant remeber
09-23-2010 03:22 PM
KBR97
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Originally Posted by EdJonesJeeper View Post
RE 3.5 is really 4.5. I'd love 37s but would prob need to trim coils for it to be true lcog.
Yeah, I like the amount of undercarriage/belly clearance that the 3.5 gives me now. Basically what my idea is....run 37's without going any higher than the actual 4-4.5" of lift the RE coils already gave me. Instead of adding a unnecessary body lift or swapping taller coils to make more room for big tires...I would rather use tubed fenders, cut up the rear. Then maybe do a tummy tuck if I really need more undercarriage clearance, which I doubt I will need. I've taken the TJ through trails I really had no business on, But I made it, lol
09-23-2010 03:22 PM
Cons_Table
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Originally Posted by Rawkon View Post
the problem with LCOG is alot, they are too low and drag over and get hung up easily. you loose lots of uptravel since your stuffing oversized tires on little lift and the benefits of a Low center of gravity really arnt that impressive. look at the picture posted above, 37, tons of lift and still stable. if your doing it for looks then dont worry about doing it right. to do it right it turns more into a buggy then a jeep.
That rig has a wheelbase stretch also though. Wouldnt that create a lower center of gravity even though he still has 6" of lift?

EDIT: in that particular picture, I dunno if hes done the stretch
09-23-2010 03:12 PM
Rawkon the problem with LCOG is alot, they are too low and drag over and get hung up easily. you loose lots of uptravel since your stuffing oversized tires on little lift and the benefits of a Low center of gravity really arnt that impressive. look at the picture posted above, 37, tons of lift and still stable. if your doing it for looks then dont worry about doing it right. to do it right it turns more into a buggy then a jeep.
09-23-2010 03:03 PM
mrcarcrazy i share the same "disturbed" sense of humor. My father blames my mother....

that advice was given to me by the only member here I've met in person. part of his sig is "armored head to toe". I think its logical.
09-23-2010 03:02 PM
Bubba68CS
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Originally Posted by mrcarcrazy View Post
Here's another piece of advice, armor up first....esp if you plan on offroading while you are going through the stages. A wise man once told me "armor is one of those things that will always be good to have, you won't ever need less armor" (I guess I shouldn't have paraphrased it in quotes, but you get the point)
Sounds like good advice to me.
09-23-2010 02:59 PM
Jeepzcb09 [

But thanks anyway...as I said, I don't want to half-*** it.[/QUOTE]

Yes exactly dont half ass it and a LCOG rig is cool, but the posers give it a bad name
09-23-2010 02:59 PM
Bubba68CS
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Originally Posted by mrcarcrazy View Post
I'm really starting to like you.
I have a rather dry sense of humor that usually either sucks people in, or puts them off entirely
09-23-2010 02:56 PM
mrcarcrazy
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Originally Posted by Bubba68CS View Post
Got it





Got it







Got it

I'm really starting to like you.

Here's another piece of advice, armor up first....esp if you plan on offroading while you are going through the stages. A wise man once told me "armor is one of those things that will always be good to have, you won't ever need less armor" (I guess I shouldn't have paraphrased it in quotes, but you get the point) the only offroading mods I have are riddler dif covers and a beefy tie rod. why? those are the two most likely parts to get destroyed in minor offroading. Many wait until it breaks, then fix it, I believe that setting it up to prevent breakage is a better plan.
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