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02-06-2011 10:06 PM
navret
coyote

no problem,
02-05-2011 09:30 PM
Coyote_94YJ
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Originally Posted by McBear View Post
It is not a problem at all and there is no need to apologize.

On another forum [a bit bigger than this one] I am both a second tier moderator and participant, a set of roles that sometimes collide and it can be difficult to always find that balance, especially in a thread such as this [political, economic, religious, guns, choice/life, etc]. It is not easy in the best of circumstance.

Threads like this tangent. I personally tend to like that as it adds diversity of thought and input by many more people but, that is not the liking of everyone and I am pretty new here and just learning the limits of this particular sandbox.


Sent ya a PM.
02-05-2011 01:54 PM
McBear
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Originally Posted by Coyote_97TJ View Post
I understand that but I can try right? I admit that in my frustration I singled McBear out because he was the one directly arguing with me. But in my defense I asked him once before to take it somewhere else and he chose to ignore my request. But, you are right. I should not have singled out McBear because several members were involved.

So, Mcbear, I apologize.

I am not a person who enjoys or takes any pleasure in arguing or debating. It's one of those things I try not to do because it just winds me up and pretty soon I am pissed off(as you saw earlier). So from here on out I will only respond to comments about the images I posted. I thank you navret for calling me out and most importantly I thank you for your service and sacrifice.
It is not a problem at all and there is no need to apologize.

On another forum [a bit bigger than this one] I am both a second tier moderator and participant, a set of roles that sometimes collide and it can be difficult to always find that balance, especially in a thread such as this [political, economic, religious, guns, choice/life, etc]. It is not easy in the best of circumstance.

Threads like this tangent. I personally tend to like that as it adds diversity of thought and input by many more people but, that is not the liking of everyone and I am pretty new here and just learning the limits of this particular sandbox.
02-05-2011 11:36 AM
Coyote_94YJ
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Originally Posted by navret View Post
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Originally Posted by Coyote_97TJ View Post
I'm not going to sit here and argue with you. I asked you once to take it somewhere else but apparently you missed it, though I don't see how since you quoted it. If you want to continue on in another thread then by all means but not in here.
mr. coyote, very few threads, such as this, stay on topic. to single out one member, in this case macbear, and one thread, is just wrong. thank you for your sevrice
I understand that but I can try right? I admit that in my frustration I singled McBear out because he was the one directly arguing with me. But in my defense I asked him once before to take it somewhere else and he chose to ignore my request. But, you are right. I should not have singled out McBear because several members were involved.

So, Mcbear, I apologize.

I am not a person who enjoys or takes any pleasure in arguing or debating. It's one of those things I try not to do because it just winds me up and pretty soon I am pissed off(as you saw earlier). So from here on out I will only respond to comments about the images I posted. I thank you navret for calling me out and most importantly I thank you for your service and sacrifice.
02-05-2011 01:18 AM
CollinP
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Originally Posted by Pmedg View Post
Invading China won't happen due to the amount of commerce between our countries...
Yeah but, then that Chinese junk would be even more expensive at Wal-mart

But seriously, thanks to all of you for your service. Our guys are in that crap-hole called Afghanistan...
02-05-2011 01:02 AM
navret [QUOTE=Coyote_97TJ;1034569] I'm not going to sit here and argue with you. I asked you once to take it somewhere else but apparently you missed it, though I don't see how since you quoted it. If you want to continue on in another thread then by all means but not in here.

mr. coyote, very few threads, such as this, stay on topic. to single out one member, in this case macbear, and one thread, is just wrong. thank you for your sevrice
02-05-2011 12:56 AM
navret
cavediver

no need to feel humbled. stand tall, we need men and women such as yourself with the willingness to put it on the line for what ever reason potus sends our troops into harms way. also understand, it is up to people, like me, and the rest of the public to raise red flags and question our gov't when things aren't always right. ie, humvees with out the heavy shielding, parents going out and buying kevlar vests for their son and daughters because army didn't have enough or they were sitting in some warehouse waiting for correct paper work. and most of all, he should have listened to our generals and admirals on required troop strength, in the beginning he didn't do this. i question things like this, write letters to local papers and such, in support of all are troops, in an effort to keep our forces as safe as possible. thankyou for sympathies. we are indeed "brothers in arms"
02-04-2011 08:37 PM
Coyote_94YJ
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Originally Posted by McBear View Post
A Republican President and a Republican Congress chose the committee that drew the conclusions.

And no, the President was not given "bad intel", he was given intel and he spun it to his liking, at least that is according to folks like Powell, the Brits, the French, the UN...

I was lucky enough to sit in on a couple of meeting that Powell ran back in DS. The one thing I brought back from those was that he was honorable and wanted facts, rather than BS. When he resigned after all that went on with Iraq in 2002-2003 it was an absolute offense what the grassroots Republicans and conservative media did to him. It was an unforgivable sin. They can throw politicians under the bus as often as they like, it seems to be sport for the right; but Powell did so much for this country in uniform.
I'm not going to sit here and argue with you. I asked you once to take it somewhere else but apparently you missed it, though I don't see how since you quoted it. If you want to continue on in another thread then by all means but not in here.



02-04-2011 04:03 PM
McBear
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Originally Posted by Mr. Sinister View Post
Like the man or not, photo op or not, it's good to see any politician doing this.
That is very true. It is appreciated by the guys and that is really all that is important on that level.
02-04-2011 04:02 PM
Mr. Sinister Like the man or not, photo op or not, it's good to see any politician doing this.
02-04-2011 02:01 PM
McBear
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Originally Posted by Coyote_97TJ View Post
The 9/11 commission members were a bunch of politicians hand picked by The President and Congress. I figured you'd prefer an outside source. Either way you slice it the basic story is the same. The President was given bad intelligence.
A Republican President and a Republican Congress chose the committee that drew the conclusions.

And no, the President was not given "bad intel", he was given intel and he spun it to his liking, at least that is according to folks like Powell, the Brits, the French, the UN...

I was lucky enough to sit in on a couple of meeting that Powell ran back in DS. The one thing I brought back from those was that he was honorable and wanted facts, rather than BS. When he resigned after all that went on with Iraq in 2002-2003 it was an absolute offense what the grassroots Republicans and conservative media did to him. It was an unforgivable sin. They can throw politicians under the bus as often as they like, it seems to be sport for the right; but Powell did so much for this country in uniform.
02-03-2011 10:10 PM
Coyote_94YJ
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Originally Posted by McBear View Post
I tend to use the facts uncovered during the 9/11 commission rather than the media.
The 9/11 commission members were a bunch of politicians hand picked by The President and Congress. I figured you'd prefer an outside source. Either way you slice it the basic story is the same. The President was given bad intelligence.
02-03-2011 09:22 PM
KSCRUDE Nixon, Reagon and W Bush, oh and let's not forget Kennedy, probably the greatest to serve in my lifetime. Nixon ended a living hell in southeast Asia, Reagon did more for world peace then probably anyone in the second half of the 20th centery. And we can never forget 911 and at least Bush didn't take it laying down. And I have to commend Obama for striving to finish what Bush started. And Kennedy had the courage of a lion to make the Russians back down in the bay of pigs. And we all owe our freedom to the courageous women and men of our armed forces, who lay it all on the line every day so we can live in safety and be free in the greatest country on earth. We all need to shake more of their hands and thank them every chance we get. God bless them all.
02-03-2011 09:10 PM
McBear
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Originally Posted by Coyote_97TJ View Post
1) Saddam Hussein said he had the weapons
2) UN inspections could not verify they didn't exist because of a lack of cooperation from the Iraqi government.
3) Intelligence provided by Douglas J. Feith (Undersecretary of Defense) showed the weapons were there.
4) More intelligence provided by Mr Feith showed a strong link between al Qaeda and Iraq.


These are the facts presented by the media. Whether or not we will ever know the real truth...who knows. But based on this information that was presented to President Bush I don't fault him one bit for making the decision he did.

This thread is not here to argue about the war. This thread is here because I chose to show support for a President who took the time out of his day to personally thank American Troops for what they do. If you don't want to show support then go find another thread to post in.

Back on topic.
I tend to use the facts uncovered during the 9/11 commission rather than the media.
02-03-2011 09:04 PM
McBear
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Originally Posted by InvertChaos View Post
China? They don't seem too tyrannical to me. The people are happy with their government. Sure there is some human rights issues but I don't see China as a threat. They don't even support N.K. and called Kim Jong Il immature.

When you come up with a battle plan to sweep up WMD'S with zero casualties let me know. Or I guess we can just wait till they are sailing through the atmosphere above us...
Check with Nepal or Chinese labor camps.

Again...what WMDs?
02-03-2011 09:00 PM
sonofabeach I did not like him much as a president but he seems like a guy you could hang out with, down a few beers, eat some pretzels, lay some rails and shoot the sh!t.
It's cool he did that.
02-03-2011 08:47 PM
89jeepster According to a few friends in high places, the decision and date and time for the invasion of iraq was made 2 years before president bush was re-elected. It wouldnt have made a difference who the president had been. It was going down. The role of the president is just to be a scapegoat. Somebody to point fingers at.
02-03-2011 08:38 PM
Freshbrew I personally don't care what anyone has to say about Bush. I didn't agree with everything he did, but name one other president who did what he did in those pictures? Everyone certainly has a right to their opinion, but that was top shelf 1st class in my opinion. Nuff said, thanks for everyones service to our country and pray for our soldiers safe return and for the families of those who lost loved ones. GOD BLESS AMERICA!
02-03-2011 08:25 PM
Coyote_94YJ
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Originally Posted by Cons_Table View Post
Is it just me, or are the pics not working ? They arent working on my computer or my iphone.
Better now.

I don't think anyone could see them. I hotlinked from my yahoo email acct and I could see them just fine so I assumed they worked.
02-03-2011 08:05 PM
InvertChaos
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Originally Posted by McBear
So, are we suppose to go into every country that has a leader that is a tyrant, murderer and supports terrorism?

China comes to mind, Russia and a few dozen more.

We knew he didn't have WMD, one doesn't "call bluff" with the lives of soldiers and citizens. That's called immaturity.
China? They don't seem too tyrannical to me. The people are happy with their government. Sure there is some human rights issues but I don't see China as a threat. They don't even support N.K. and called Kim Jong Il immature.

When you come up with a battle plan to sweep up WMD'S with zero casualties let me know. Or I guess we can just wait till they are sailing through the atmosphere above us...
02-03-2011 06:44 PM
Coyote_94YJ
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Originally Posted by McBear View Post
So, are we suppose to go into every country that has a leader that is a tyrant, murderer and supports terrorism?

China comes to mind, Russia and a few dozen more.

We knew he didn't have WMD, one doesn't "call bluff" with the lives of soldiers and citizens. That's called immaturity.

1) Saddam Hussein said he had the weapons
2) UN inspections could not verify they didn't exist because of a lack of cooperation from the Iraqi government.
3) Intelligence provided by Douglas J. Feith (Undersecretary of Defense) showed the weapons were there.
4) More intelligence provided by Mr Feith showed a strong link between al Qaeda and Iraq.


These are the facts presented by the media. Whether or not we will ever know the real truth...who knows. But based on this information that was presented to President Bush I don't fault him one bit for making the decision he did.

This thread is not here to argue about the war. This thread is here because I chose to show support for a President who took the time out of his day to personally thank American Troops for what they do. If you don't want to show support then go find another thread to post in.

Back on topic.
02-03-2011 05:49 PM
Pmedg
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Originally Posted by McBear
Works very well for me. I make a habit of trying to meet as many folks on the fora that I play in as I can. Most of my best friends, now both virtual and real are from the opposite side of the fence.
Yeah you never gain actual knowledge from people that only agree with you
02-03-2011 05:46 PM
McBear
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Originally Posted by Pmedg View Post
BTW McBear one of these days I hope we cross paths at some jeep event so we can have drinks and chat up random topics I think it would be a lot of fun. While it seems we have different opinions about some stuff I think it would make for a good time. You seem to have a lot of info on many subjects.
Works very well for me. I make a habit of trying to meet as many folks on the fora that I play in as I can. Most of my best friends, now both virtual and real are from the opposite side of the fence.
02-03-2011 05:44 PM
McBear
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Originally Posted by Pmedg View Post
Invading China won't happen due to the amount of commerce between our countries...
Exactly. But if the whole tyrant, murderer and supports terrorism" excuse was PRINCIPLE it should not matter. But...10 pairs of socks at WalMart for $12 trumps principle if the logic continues.

In VietNam we were indoctrinated that we were stopping the dominoes, turned out yes/no. Same with Korea [though before my time]. Warriors are always pumped up with the best rational to keep them focused. With Storm it was easy...Iraq invaded. With Iraqi Freedom it was "tyrant, murderer and supports terrorism" after WMD didn't pan out. And the Kurd response is clouded because it was US who sold Iraq the mustard gas, sarin, tabun and VX.
02-03-2011 05:40 PM
Cons_Table Is it just me, or are the pics not working ? They arent working on my computer or my iphone.
02-03-2011 05:36 PM
Pmedg BTW McBear one of these days I hope we cross paths at some jeep event so we can have drinks and chat up random topics I think it would be a lot of fun. While it seems we have different opinions about some stuff I think it would make for a good time. You seem to have a lot of info on many subjects.
02-03-2011 05:32 PM
Pmedg Invading China won't happen due to the amount of commerce between our countries...
02-03-2011 05:31 PM
chucky cheese Here we go
02-03-2011 05:10 PM
McBear
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Originally Posted by Coyote_97TJ View Post
Because Saddam Hussein was a tyrant, and a murderer who supported terrorism. He needed to be stopped. Yes, one of the reasons we went in was because we thought he had WMDs. Saddam claimed to have the WMDs so that he would appear stronger and a larger thread to Iran when in reality he did not. His bad, not ours. We called his bluff and he paid for it.

BTW, I'm one of those troops President Bush sent to Iraq, and I'd do it all over again.
So, are we suppose to go into every country that has a leader that is a tyrant, murderer and supports terrorism?

China comes to mind, Russia and a few dozen more.

We knew he didn't have WMD, one doesn't "call bluff" with the lives of soldiers and citizens. That's called immaturity.
02-03-2011 11:42 AM
Bubba68CS Hitler was an eloquent speaker. The ability to give public speeches is not indicative of anything but the ability to give public speeches.

As for Bush, I disagreed with more than a few of his policies, but the fact of the matter is he was dealt some impossibly difficult situations...ones none of us would ever want to have to deal with. I've seen enough of the man to know he loves this country, and his decisions were those he thought were in the country's best interest based on the intel he had. I respect him for that...even if I disagreed with some of the moves.

navret, sorry for your loss. Can't imagine what that is like.

To all those who have, or are, serving - thank you. I can only hope that the project I'm working on helps keep you safe in the future.
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