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05-11-2008 06:50 AM
jeff65 My wife has coined the term "DUMMER" for anything that is not an H1. If he is hell bent on a hummer get a real one not some yuppified elitist grocery getter.
05-09-2008 11:42 PM
Offroad Rubicon I can't believe this thread went this far. The H2 & H3 are a flat out pieces of crap when it comes to off-road. Period! I don't care what you put on them... they will never out do a Jeep. Oh, but you and your girl will look pretty though!
04-27-2008 12:56 PM
jp'rs_peep'rs Wow!
This thread is a dino...It's from July of '07,,,I hope the guy made a choice by now...

C.
04-25-2008 09:41 AM
Walkeraviator just show the guy the unlimited number of online vid's of H2s snapping tie rods and everything else trying to go over pieces of gravel.
04-25-2008 12:38 AM
chiro2736 H2= just a tahoo with a pretty body!

H3=just a colorado/canyon with a pretty body!!

Both get bad gas mileage do to large tires and full time 4wd
03-24-2008 05:09 PM
JCS05Rubi
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewski View Post
I had an HD with the 6.0 that was extended cab long bed. and an H2 weighs way more than your 2k pound truck
this argument is BS. First of all, someone buying a Hummer is not going to really care about gas mileage. I only mentioned it, in case his buddy was considering doing any sort of multiple day explorations or something of the sort. we all know there is a big difference in a H2 hummer, and a 1500HD. Full time 4wd vs part time, weight, 35 inch tires vs factory for a 1500hd (probably 265 70 16), there is no point even arguing it. The EPA doesn't even give MPG ratings for the 6.0...

I gave him a couple of real world examples, from a sea of real world examples I have witnessed myself. Just for S&G, I checked a few H2s out today at work. I do appraisals on lease returns and reposessions for GMAC. All H2s that I have seen, have an Average MPG read out in the odometer, that measures the amount of fuel consumed with the mileage from a tripometer. I checked 4 H2s, 1 denali, and 1 escalade. Just to cover my butt, I called my father who was a used car manager for 35 years, and is now the director of online sales for a dealer chain. I had him check the 2 H2s he has, as well as 2 more Denalis. Granted, the Denalis and escalades are 2wd or all wheel drive with small tires, as opposed to the full time 4x4 hummer H2 on 35s, but the engine is a gas hog and I wanted to prove my point.

Every single vehicle read between 10.1 and 12.2. None were any better than that. The lowest was 10.4 and the highest, 12.2. The highest was a Denali, the lowest a Denali. All the H2s ranged from 11.4 to 12.1. Now, this was only a handful of vehicles, with un known driving habbits, but I would think the odds of 10 vehicles being driven like a corvette, especially when we are talking about people that could not afford their car payments anyway, or are on a lease program and have to pay for damages, are slim to none.

SO. The debate is over, the 6.0 is GENERALLY a gas hog (the other poster may have a factory freak, who knows, but I tend to find most people exagerate a tid bit when it comes to MPG...) especially when in an H2.

/ END DISCUSSION ON HUMMER H2 MPG...
03-24-2008 10:33 AM
Brewski
Quote:
Originally Posted by 4point View Post
This is really OT sorry.
I guess your implying that you put your truck on a dyno. No I don't own an SS its an HD which only comes configured as a full 4 door with a short bed and 4WD. It also has 3:73 gears not the 4:10's that causes rotten fuel economy. I haven't looked at the H2 specs but I'd guess that the H2 and my truck are close to the same weight. My pick-up weighs in a little over 2klbs. I not saying its going to beat every truck out there, some have more power and some have better fuel economy.
Sorry for the rant, I just don't like it when people post stuff like that when it isn't true.
I had an HD with the 6.0 that was extended cab long bed. and an H2 weighs way more than your 2k pound truck
03-24-2008 10:30 AM
02Prove I'd say if your buddy is considering a Hummer over a Jeep you may have lost him before the question was asked.

The H1 is obviously going to be capable out of the box. The H2 is essentially a Tahoe with a boxy body. The H3 I've actually ridden with on the trails and will handle it's self pretty well if properly equipped.

Just let him get it so you can give him hell every time you have to strap him out with your "little" Jeep.
03-24-2008 09:51 AM
priell3 Show me an H2 that can go topless like my JK. Just another reason why a JK is better.
03-24-2008 06:46 AM
Walkeraviator
Quote:
Originally Posted by dogsnhorses View Post
But what do I know, we all married tough boys and our idea of dressing up is clean jeans and putting on the pair of boots that aren't totally broken in yet.
Thank you. I got so much crap for wearing my jeans and boots to Easter service yesterday. At least i wore a dress jacket... right?
03-23-2008 09:30 PM
Levinoss
Quote:
But what do I know, we all married tough boys and our idea of dressing up is clean jeans and putting on the pair of boots that aren't totally broken in yet.
LOL

~Lev
03-23-2008 09:28 PM
dogsnhorses I don't know anything about them offroading but when I see the folks around here in the high falutin burbs drive one, they usually fall into the jerk catagory (using my nice words)

I polled my girl friends and we all agree on two things, the chicks they attract are gold diggers and the chicks that aren't wowed by them are thinking over-compensating for short comings.

But what do I know, we all married tough boys and our idea of dressing up is clean jeans and putting on the pair of boots that aren't totally broken in yet.
03-23-2008 05:51 PM
Mudy 07 JK simply put, dont be stupid

JEEP > HUMMER

anyday anyplace

and this thread proves it
07-22-2007 12:52 PM
jp'rs_peep'rs iirc the H2 comes in at approx. 6-7klbs. curb weight.
The drive axel assem is based upon a much better design from a company that builds the system to work independent of each wheel, so that if one wheel is completely usless the other 3 will still work to grip. Also iirc the system can have 2 wheels opposite of each other and at separte corners slipping and still can remove itself. The companies name eludes me at the moment. The hummer is also based upon a ifs which can be just as useful as solid axel if done correctly.

I presonally bought the tj and not a hummer.

C.
07-20-2007 08:17 PM
4point
Quote:
Originally Posted by JCS05Rubi View Post
What do you have, a 1/2 SS or a 1/2 HD? Only the HD gets a 6.0 as far as I know, the other 1/2 tons get a 5.3. A buddy of mine has a reg cab, long bed, work truck 2wd 6 cyl and only gets 18..

I also had a 6.0 and got 7mpg out of it. My boss has a Denali and gets 12mpg out of the 6.0 in his Denali.

We arent talking about a 2,000 lb pickup with a 6.0, were talking about a 30,000 lb H2 here.. He is NOT going to see any better than 12, period. Id be suprised if he even saw double digits.


Edit: BTW, my 6.0 was also "Rated" at 340. Sorry slick, but id be very surprised if it even put down 280 hp and 320 ftlb torque. The newer 6.0s have a crap load of Torque management built into the computer, designed to save the driveline components from its "power." You give it gas, it cuts timing. I was seeing timing retard 28 and higher during WOT. Not once did my 03 come anywhere close to 340 hp... I think you might have the 1/2 ton "SS" which is built for playing in the street more than anything else. My buddy had a 3/4 ton ext cab short bed. Put intake/exhaust and a programmer on it, and was pushing 350 hp 410 ft lbs of torque. I dont think he had 340/360 stock
This is really OT sorry.
I guess your implying that you put your truck on a dyno. No I don't own an SS its an HD which only comes configured as a full 4 door with a short bed and 4WD. It also has 3:73 gears not the 4:10's that causes rotten fuel economy. I haven't looked at the H2 specs but I'd guess that the H2 and my truck are close to the same weight. My pick-up weighs in a little over 2klbs. I not saying its going to beat every truck out there, some have more power and some have better fuel economy.
Sorry for the rant, I just don't like it when people post stuff like that when it isn't true.
07-20-2007 07:54 AM
cavediverjc Here's the best reason yet to NOT get an H2.......every Cuban in Miami has one. And they all sit on 26" chrome bling blings with giant sound systems in them. Every jealous husband in southern Florida buys his high maintenance wife with the fake boobies an H2 so every other testosterone ridden male knows she has a husband and is off limits. This is the image that America has of the H2. If that's the image your buddy wants, then go for it. A lifted, big tired Jeep says "I'm a rugged outdoorsman who wears flannel and can kick your ass." A blinged out H2 says "Que honda, guero? Tengo un caro largo, pero mis ninos tienen nos zapatos"
I'm sure he'll make the right decision.
07-20-2007 07:42 AM
Redrubicon2004

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9U1mMxiWZO8
07-20-2007 07:21 AM
Redrubicon2004

http://youtube.com/watch?v=S8Etx7W1GpY
07-20-2007 05:42 AM
JCS05Rubi
Quote:
Originally Posted by 4point View Post
My 1/2ton has the 6.0. It is factory rated at 340hp and gets 18mpg on the hwy. How is that bad? I know this because I actually own one. I would take this truck over ANY other 1/2ton available on the market.
What do you have, a 1/2 SS or a 1/2 HD? Only the HD gets a 6.0 as far as I know, the other 1/2 tons get a 5.3. A buddy of mine has a reg cab, long bed, work truck 2wd 6 cyl and only gets 18..

I also had a 6.0 and got 7mpg out of it. My boss has a Denali and gets 12mpg out of the 6.0 in his Denali.

We arent talking about a 2,000 lb pickup with a 6.0, were talking about a 30,000 lb H2 here.. He is NOT going to see any better than 12, period. Id be suprised if he even saw double digits.


Edit: BTW, my 6.0 was also "Rated" at 340. Sorry slick, but id be very surprised if it even put down 280 hp and 320 ftlb torque. The newer 6.0s have a crap load of Torque management built into the computer, designed to save the driveline components from its "power." You give it gas, it cuts timing. I was seeing timing retard 28 and higher during WOT. Not once did my 03 come anywhere close to 340 hp... I think you might have the 1/2 ton "SS" which is built for playing in the street more than anything else. My buddy had a 3/4 ton ext cab short bed. Put intake/exhaust and a programmer on it, and was pushing 350 hp 410 ft lbs of torque. I dont think he had 340/360 stock
07-19-2007 09:33 PM
lost I want a G!

just the weight&size difference alone would make me pick the jk
07-19-2007 09:27 PM
4point
Quote:
Originally Posted by JCS05Rubi View Post
Engine is from a 3/4 ton chevy pick up, the Tahoe Denali, Caddillac Escalade etc. Basically its the 6.0, its a gas HOG and produces low HP for a chevy small block...

the rest is a Tahoe, yes.
My 1/2ton has the 6.0. It is factory rated at 340hp and gets 18mpg on the hwy. How is that bad? I know this because I actually own one. I would take this truck over ANY other 1/2ton available on the market.
07-19-2007 08:22 PM
debruins look at the sheet up there what does the hummer compete with?

Range Rover, Lexus LX 470, Lincoln Navigator

do any of those look as off road worthy as a jeep? so then why would a H2 if those are its competitiors:chair:
07-19-2007 07:53 PM
JCS05Rubi Engine is from a 3/4 ton chevy pick up, the Tahoe Denali, Caddillac Escalade etc. Basically its the 6.0, its a gas HOG and produces low HP for a chevy small block...

the rest is a Tahoe, yes.
07-19-2007 07:23 PM
nicolas-eric
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redrubicon2004 View Post
He does know that an H2 is nothing more than a tahoe with a different body and price right?
is that true?
engine, drivetrain, axles ... are the same in a H2 and a tahoe?
07-19-2007 07:15 PM
Redrubicon2004 He does know that an H2 is nothing more than a tahoe with a different body and price right?
07-19-2007 05:53 PM
Rawkon ooh i know the h3 has a 4:1 i thought the big brother did too. or am i wrong and the h3 doesnt have the 4:1 either?? and for sure there not on 37s there 35s
07-19-2007 01:58 AM
toycop
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dare2BSquare View Post
Did you just sneeze?
If you think it looks bad, you should try saying it.

It's German for: "Excellent! I like it."
07-16-2007 11:01 PM
Dare2BSquare Did you just sneeze?
07-16-2007 10:47 PM
toycop
Quote:
Originally Posted by nicolas-eric View Post
he already has a G.




now he wants an US 4wheeler again after he sold his tj rubicon.

Ausgezeichnet! Das gefaellt mir.

Sorry I didn't break out character map for the umlaut.
07-16-2007 10:27 PM
Absolute Offroad
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rawkon View Post
pros: 4 to 1 tcase, stock on 35s, heavy duty skids, rear locker i think.

H2 Does not have a 4:1 T-case, I am pretty sure that they are on 37" BFG All-Terrains, and the rear Electric locker is Problematic, to say the least. Ok, So that leaves Skid plates. Not baggin on you Rawkon, just the H2..

Joe


UPDATE: Found these specs verifying this post.


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Overview
Model: HUMMER H2
Body style / driveline: 4-door hard-top, 4-wheel drive
EPA vehicle class: full-size sport utility
Manufacturing location: Mishawaka, Indiana
Key competitors: Range Rover, Lexus LX 470, Lincoln Navigator

Engine
Type: Vortec 6000 6.0L V-8
Displacement (cu in / cc): 364 / 5967
Bore & stroke (in / mm): 4 x 3.62 / 101.6 x 92
Block material: cast iron
Cylinder head material: cast aluminum
Valvetrain: overhead valve
Compression ratio: 9.4:1
Horsepower (hp / kw @ rpm): 316 / 237 @ 5200
Torque (lb-ft / Nm @ rpm): 360 / 488 @ 4000

Transmission
Type: Hydra-Matic 4L65-E, 4-speed electronically controlled automatic
Gear ratios (:1):
First:
3.06
Second:
1.63
Third:
1.00
Fourth:
0.70
Reverse:
2.29
Final drive (axle) ratio: 4.10
Stall ratio: 1.90
Low range lock gear reduction: 2.64
Crawl ratio: 33:1

Chassis/Suspension
Front: independent with torsion bars; 46-mm monotube gas shocks; 36-mm front stabilizer bar
Rear: 5-link variable-rate coil spring; optional self-leveling air spring (w/ RPO ZM6); 46-mm monotube gas shocks, 30-mm stabilizer bar (coil) or 32-mm (air)
Traction control: brake-controlled, single-wheel control capability with rear axle locking differential
Steering type: variable ratio, integral power; recirculating ball type
Steering ratio: variable 15/13:1
Steering wheel turns,
lock-to-lock: 3
Turning diameter,
curb-to-curb (ft / m): 43.5 / 13.5

Brakes
Type: 4-wheel disc, 4-wheel/4-channel ABS, dual piston calipers with Dynamic Rear Proportioning
Rotor diameter x thickness
(in / mm): front: 12.79 x 1.5 / 325 x 38
rear: 13 x 1.14 / 330 x 29

Wheels/Tires
Wheel size and type: 17-inch cast aluminum
Tires: LT315/70R17 all-terrain

Dimensions
Exterior
Wheelbase (in): 122.7
Overall length (in): 203.6
Overall width (in): excluding mirrors: 81.2
Overall height (in): without roof racks: 79.2
with roof racks: 81.7
Track (in): front: 69.4
rear: 69.4
Minimum ground clearance (in): 10 (coil); 10.5 (air)
Curb weight (lb): 6400
Standard GVWR (lb): 8600

Interior
Seating capacity
(front / rear): 2 / 3 / 1 (opt)
Head room (in): front: 40.5
2nd row: 39.7
3rd row: 38.8
Leg room (in): front: 41.3
2nd row: 38.6
3rd row: 27.3
Shoulder room (in): front: 66.4
2nd row: 66.3
3rd row: 41.4
Hip room (in): front: 62.9
2nd row: 62
3rd row: 30.3

Capacities
Cargo volume (cu ft ): 40 - 86.6
Trailer towing maximum
(lb):
7000
Fuel tank (gal): 32
Engine oil (qt): 6.0
Cooling system (qt): 16.8

Vehicle Performance Data
Cruising range (miles / km at an average of 30-40 mph (48-64 km/h) over a hard surface and rolling terrain):
310 / 499
Grade capability: 60%
Side slope capability: 40%
Approach angle: 40.8° (coil) - 42.8° (air)
Departure angle: 39.6° (coil) - 38.1° (air) (40° with ERH)
Ramp brake-over angle: 25.8° (coil) - 27.5° (air)
Axle differential to ground
(in / mm): 9.9 / 251.5




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