|05-11-2008 07:50 AM|
|jeff65||My wife has coined the term "DUMMER" for anything that is not an H1. If he is hell bent on a hummer get a real one not some yuppified elitist grocery getter.|
|05-10-2008 12:42 AM|
|Offroad Rubicon||I can't believe this thread went this far. The H2 & H3 are a flat out pieces of crap when it comes to off-road. Period! I don't care what you put on them... they will never out do a Jeep. Oh, but you and your girl will look pretty though!|
|04-27-2008 01:56 PM|
This thread is a dino...It's from July of '07,,,I hope the guy made a choice by now...
|04-25-2008 10:41 AM|
|Walkeraviator||just show the guy the unlimited number of online vid's of H2s snapping tie rods and everything else trying to go over pieces of gravel.|
|04-25-2008 01:38 AM|
H2= just a tahoo with a pretty body!
H3=just a colorado/canyon with a pretty body!!
Both get bad gas mileage do to large tires and full time 4wd
|03-24-2008 06:09 PM|
I gave him a couple of real world examples, from a sea of real world examples I have witnessed myself. Just for S&G, I checked a few H2s out today at work. I do appraisals on lease returns and reposessions for GMAC. All H2s that I have seen, have an Average MPG read out in the odometer, that measures the amount of fuel consumed with the mileage from a tripometer. I checked 4 H2s, 1 denali, and 1 escalade. Just to cover my butt, I called my father who was a used car manager for 35 years, and is now the director of online sales for a dealer chain. I had him check the 2 H2s he has, as well as 2 more Denalis. Granted, the Denalis and escalades are 2wd or all wheel drive with small tires, as opposed to the full time 4x4 hummer H2 on 35s, but the engine is a gas hog and I wanted to prove my point.
Every single vehicle read between 10.1 and 12.2. None were any better than that. The lowest was 10.4 and the highest, 12.2. The highest was a Denali, the lowest a Denali. All the H2s ranged from 11.4 to 12.1. Now, this was only a handful of vehicles, with un known driving habbits, but I would think the odds of 10 vehicles being driven like a corvette, especially when we are talking about people that could not afford their car payments anyway, or are on a lease program and have to pay for damages, are slim to none.
SO. The debate is over, the 6.0 is GENERALLY a gas hog (the other poster may have a factory freak, who knows, but I tend to find most people exagerate a tid bit when it comes to MPG...) especially when in an H2.
/ END DISCUSSION ON HUMMER H2 MPG...
|03-24-2008 11:33 AM|
|03-24-2008 11:30 AM|
I'd say if your buddy is considering a Hummer over a Jeep you may have lost him before the question was asked.
The H1 is obviously going to be capable out of the box. The H2 is essentially a Tahoe with a boxy body. The H3 I've actually ridden with on the trails and will handle it's self pretty well if properly equipped.
Just let him get it so you can give him hell every time you have to strap him out with your "little" Jeep.
|03-24-2008 10:51 AM|
|priell3||Show me an H2 that can go topless like my JK. Just another reason why a JK is better.|
|03-24-2008 07:46 AM|
|03-23-2008 10:30 PM|
|03-23-2008 10:28 PM|
I don't know anything about them offroading but when I see the folks around here in the high falutin burbs drive one, they usually fall into the jerk catagory (using my nice words)
I polled my girl friends and we all agree on two things, the chicks they attract are gold diggers and the chicks that aren't wowed by them are thinking over-compensating for short comings.
But what do I know, we all married tough boys and our idea of dressing up is clean jeans and putting on the pair of boots that aren't totally broken in yet.
|03-23-2008 06:51 PM|
|Mudy 07 JK||
simply put, dont be stupid
JEEP > HUMMER
and this thread proves it
|07-22-2007 01:52 PM|
iirc the H2 comes in at approx. 6-7klbs. curb weight.
The drive axel assem is based upon a much better design from a company that builds the system to work independent of each wheel, so that if one wheel is completely usless the other 3 will still work to grip. Also iirc the system can have 2 wheels opposite of each other and at separte corners slipping and still can remove itself. The companies name eludes me at the moment. The hummer is also based upon a ifs which can be just as useful as solid axel if done correctly.
I presonally bought the tj and not a hummer.
|07-20-2007 09:17 PM|
I guess your implying that you put your truck on a dyno. No I don't own an SS its an HD which only comes configured as a full 4 door with a short bed and 4WD. It also has 3:73 gears not the 4:10's that causes rotten fuel economy. I haven't looked at the H2 specs but I'd guess that the H2 and my truck are close to the same weight. My pick-up weighs in a little over 2klbs. I not saying its going to beat every truck out there, some have more power and some have better fuel economy.
Sorry for the rant, I just don't like it when people post stuff like that when it isn't true.
|07-20-2007 08:54 AM|
Here's the best reason yet to NOT get an H2.......every Cuban in Miami has one. And they all sit on 26" chrome bling blings with giant sound systems in them. Every jealous husband in southern Florida buys his high maintenance wife with the fake boobies an H2 so every other testosterone ridden male knows she has a husband and is off limits. This is the image that America has of the H2. If that's the image your buddy wants, then go for it. A lifted, big tired Jeep says "I'm a rugged outdoorsman who wears flannel and can kick your ass." A blinged out H2 says "Que honda, guero? Tengo un caro largo, pero mis ninos tienen nos zapatos"
I'm sure he'll make the right decision.
|07-20-2007 08:42 AM|
|07-20-2007 08:21 AM|
|07-20-2007 06:42 AM|
I also had a 6.0 and got 7mpg out of it. My boss has a Denali and gets 12mpg out of the 6.0 in his Denali.
We arent talking about a 2,000 lb pickup with a 6.0, were talking about a 30,000 lb H2 here.. He is NOT going to see any better than 12, period. Id be suprised if he even saw double digits.
Edit: BTW, my 6.0 was also "Rated" at 340. Sorry slick, but id be very surprised if it even put down 280 hp and 320 ftlb torque. The newer 6.0s have a crap load of Torque management built into the computer, designed to save the driveline components from its "power." You give it gas, it cuts timing. I was seeing timing retard 28 and higher during WOT. Not once did my 03 come anywhere close to 340 hp... I think you might have the 1/2 ton "SS" which is built for playing in the street more than anything else. My buddy had a 3/4 ton ext cab short bed. Put intake/exhaust and a programmer on it, and was pushing 350 hp 410 ft lbs of torque. I dont think he had 340/360 stock
|07-19-2007 10:33 PM|
I want a G!
just the weight&size difference alone would make me pick the jk
|07-19-2007 10:27 PM|
|07-19-2007 09:22 PM|
look at the sheet up there what does the hummer compete with?
Range Rover, Lexus LX 470, Lincoln Navigator
do any of those look as off road worthy as a jeep? so then why would a H2 if those are its competitiors:chair:
|07-19-2007 08:53 PM|
Engine is from a 3/4 ton chevy pick up, the Tahoe Denali, Caddillac Escalade etc. Basically its the 6.0, its a gas HOG and produces low HP for a chevy small block...
the rest is a Tahoe, yes.
|07-19-2007 08:23 PM|
engine, drivetrain, axles ... are the same in a H2 and a tahoe?
|07-19-2007 08:15 PM|
|Redrubicon2004||He does know that an H2 is nothing more than a tahoe with a different body and price right?|
|07-19-2007 06:53 PM|
|Rawkon||ooh i know the h3 has a 4:1 i thought the big brother did too. or am i wrong and the h3 doesnt have the 4:1 either?? and for sure there not on 37s there 35s|
|07-19-2007 02:58 AM|
It's German for: "Excellent! I like it."
|07-17-2007 12:01 AM|
|Dare2BSquare||Did you just sneeze?|
|07-16-2007 11:47 PM|
Ausgezeichnet! Das gefaellt mir.
Sorry I didn't break out character map for the umlaut.
|07-16-2007 11:27 PM|
H2 Does not have a 4:1 T-case, I am pretty sure that they are on 37" BFG All-Terrains, and the rear Electric locker is Problematic, to say the least. Ok, So that leaves Skid plates. Not baggin on you Rawkon, just the H2..
UPDATE: Found these specs verifying this post.
Model: HUMMER H2
Body style / driveline: 4-door hard-top, 4-wheel drive
EPA vehicle class: full-size sport utility
Manufacturing location: Mishawaka, Indiana
Key competitors: Range Rover, Lexus LX 470, Lincoln Navigator
Type: Vortec 6000 6.0L V-8
Displacement (cu in / cc): 364 / 5967
Bore & stroke (in / mm): 4 x 3.62 / 101.6 x 92
Block material: cast iron
Cylinder head material: cast aluminum
Valvetrain: overhead valve
Compression ratio: 9.4:1
Horsepower (hp / kw @ rpm): 316 / 237 @ 5200
Torque (lb-ft / Nm @ rpm): 360 / 488 @ 4000
Type: Hydra-Matic 4L65-E, 4-speed electronically controlled automatic
Gear ratios (:1):
Final drive (axle) ratio: 4.10
Stall ratio: 1.90
Low range lock gear reduction: 2.64
Crawl ratio: 33:1
Front: independent with torsion bars; 46-mm monotube gas shocks; 36-mm front stabilizer bar
Rear: 5-link variable-rate coil spring; optional self-leveling air spring (w/ RPO ZM6); 46-mm monotube gas shocks, 30-mm stabilizer bar (coil) or 32-mm (air)
Traction control: brake-controlled, single-wheel control capability with rear axle locking differential
Steering type: variable ratio, integral power; recirculating ball type
Steering ratio: variable 15/13:1
Steering wheel turns,
curb-to-curb (ft / m): 43.5 / 13.5
Type: 4-wheel disc, 4-wheel/4-channel ABS, dual piston calipers with Dynamic Rear Proportioning
Rotor diameter x thickness
(in / mm): front: 12.79 x 1.5 / 325 x 38
rear: 13 x 1.14 / 330 x 29
Wheel size and type: 17-inch cast aluminum
Tires: LT315/70R17 all-terrain
Wheelbase (in): 122.7
Overall length (in): 203.6
Overall width (in): excluding mirrors: 81.2
Overall height (in): without roof racks: 79.2
with roof racks: 81.7
Track (in): front: 69.4
Minimum ground clearance (in): 10 (coil); 10.5 (air)
Curb weight (lb): 6400
Standard GVWR (lb): 8600
(front / rear): 2 / 3 / 1 (opt)
Head room (in): front: 40.5
2nd row: 39.7
3rd row: 38.8
Leg room (in): front: 41.3
2nd row: 38.6
3rd row: 27.3
Shoulder room (in): front: 66.4
2nd row: 66.3
3rd row: 41.4
Hip room (in): front: 62.9
2nd row: 62
3rd row: 30.3
Cargo volume (cu ft ): 40 - 86.6
Trailer towing maximum
Fuel tank (gal): 32
Engine oil (qt): 6.0
Cooling system (qt): 16.8
Vehicle Performance Data
Cruising range (miles / km at an average of 30-40 mph (48-64 km/h) over a hard surface and rolling terrain):
310 / 499
Grade capability: 60%
Side slope capability: 40%
Approach angle: 40.8° (coil) - 42.8° (air)
Departure angle: 39.6° (coil) - 38.1° (air) (40° with ERH)
Ramp brake-over angle: 25.8° (coil) - 27.5° (air)
Axle differential to ground
(in / mm): 9.9 / 251.5
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