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08-31-2013 05:19 PM
flflash Maybe I'm missing something Butt, why don't you just replace the spider gears in your current D35? Their a dime a dozen and you'll have something reasonably reliable.

I've welded spider gears before it's fine for a mud bus but crawl on rocks or even tacky hard clay you'll bind the rear and you'll bust an axle. They break right at the end of the splines so every time you break one both axles and the carrier will have to come out to remove the shrapnel and install another axle. So if you decide to weld the 35 carry along LOTS of Spares, Tools, Sealer and Lube.
Might want to wheel with some very patient friends too, hold up a trail ride for a couple hours more than once and you better have Good Friends.
08-31-2013 02:44 PM
Jerry Bransford Once the spider gears are welded together, at least if they were welded properly, they're not coming out. The only thing I can suggest is a new carrier, new carrier bearings, and new spider gears. The backlash between the ring & pinion gear will need to be set due to the new carrier.
08-31-2013 02:31 PM
pakev45 I recently bought a nice 97 Tj 2.5 for my son's first car. It needed some work, so I didn't drive it before I bought it. When I did drive it for the first time, I found out that the dana 35 spider gears are welded.
Anyone have any idea how to get them out? They are not welded to the carrier. Do not do it unless you plan on replacing the rear end.
04-04-2006 03:06 PM
1BLKJP
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Originally Posted by TJGreg
either of you guys have a locked 35? I'll watch that as well
Nope, sorry. mine is a locked up built 44 currently.
04-04-2006 05:38 AM
4Jeepn
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Originally Posted by 91taurisho
Okay, this is just funny... Some of you are telling me not to do it cause it will break. Others are saying it would work. What some of you, I think, have failed to read is that this is only a fix till I get back from moab. It won't be really driven till I get a better axle. I've been in contact with a few people that daily drive their Jeeps and have a welded 35(stock rear end other than that) who have 35's and it's been like that for a year or so. I don't see it being as big of a deal as you all think it will be. It can be no worse than running a detroit or something like it on the street. Yea, the detroit might be stronger, but we're talking axles shaft strength. So some of you are basically saying, don't lock the axle at all...... It will just blow the shafts up... I'm gonna have to agree with TJGreg on this one.
Well, if you have been in contact with folks =that have welded them , i guess it should be okay, frankly I am new to the 4wheeling thing, so others most likey know better and can give real world experience, and advice. Good luck with it.. and keep us posted!
04-03-2006 11:45 PM
bluvikng Sounds like you will find out if it works or not. Keep us posted. Would like to hear all about your adventure in Moab. I have pushed my arrival out there to about the 3rd of May. Trying to give my builders time to finish my YJ. If it isn't done by then, I will still go out there with a friend of mine, and ride with him. Good luck and happy wheeling!!!!!!!!!!
04-03-2006 11:30 PM
91taurisho Okay, this is just funny... Some of you are telling me not to do it cause it will break. Others are saying it would work. What some of you, I think, have failed to read is that this is only a fix till I get back from moab. It won't be really driven till I get a better axle. I've been in contact with a few people that daily drive their Jeeps and have a welded 35(stock rear end other than that) who have 35's and it's been like that for a year or so. I don't see it being as big of a deal as you all think it will be. It can be no worse than running a detroit or something like it on the street. Yea, the detroit might be stronger, but we're talking axles shaft strength. So some of you are basically saying, don't lock the axle at all...... It will just blow the shafts up... I'm gonna have to agree with TJGreg on this one.
04-03-2006 11:23 PM
Moab Man Yeah the Super 35 is awesome.
04-03-2006 10:48 PM
TJGreg
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Originally Posted by Moab Man
Super 35, 35's, and 4 years of Moab rockcrawling.
well there ya go.
04-03-2006 10:44 PM
Moab Man
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Originally Posted by TJGreg
either of you guys have a locked 35? I'll watch that as well
Super 35, 35's, and 4 years of Moab rockcrawling.
04-03-2006 10:35 PM
TJGreg either of you guys have a locked 35? I'll watch that as well
04-03-2006 09:46 PM
Moab Man
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But hell do what ya want. I'm nobody but some guy giving his own opinion. Besides it's cool to see how badly people can tear up their junk. Ring gear teeth coming out of the diff guard are my personal favorite.
I will be in Moab to watch this. Come on by and I will buy you a beer as we watch.
04-03-2006 07:56 PM
1BLKJP
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Originally Posted by TJGreg
I'm not, its basically like running a locker 100% of the time. though like I said, you will not want to run it on the street, it will do alright off road, as long as youre easy on the gas...just like any locked 35.
Well all I know is that people don't get rid of a D35 because they don't want it to break. They get rid of them because they don't want them to break under their own junk. You lock that axle and wheel the hell out of it and you will break it. Simple as that.

But hell do what ya want. I'm nobody but some guy giving his own opinion. Besides it's cool to see how badly people can tear up their junk. Ring gear teeth coming out of the diff guard are my personal favorite.
04-03-2006 07:46 PM
Moab Man Yes, I have seen naive people do it. Yes they broke just driving it around. But at this point I'm going to tell you DO IT! Go out there and weld the snot out of it.
04-03-2006 07:00 PM
TJGreg
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Originally Posted by 1BLKJP
but we are all saying it will.
I'm not, its basically like running a locker 100% of the time. though like I said, you will not want to run it on the street, it will do alright off road, as long as youre easy on the gas...just like any locked 35.
04-03-2006 06:42 PM
1BLKJP Here ya go. I've seen done it on a rig (not mine) and I've seen it done to others. One guy blew a shaft just turning a corner in a parking lot with welded spiders. Other one gave it too much gas on the trail and exploded it then.

It will break if you do this. No one can say when, but we are all saying it will.
04-03-2006 05:42 PM
TJGreg There are plenty of people who have done it, but they are pretty much (usually low budget) trail rigs. I guess I really cant say much more than that though. It'll work great.
04-03-2006 02:49 PM
91taurisho I guess no one seems to understand that I want to know HAVE YOU EVER SEEN IT DONE OR DONE IT as well. Because if you are just speculating here, it does me no good. I've already stated that the thing is weak. I know this. That's not what I'm asking. I asked will it work for the trail. I'll be getting extra shafts. I'll be able to remove them, despite what Moab Man says. Just to make sure that everyone understands. THIS IS AN AXLE I'M NOT WILLING TO PUT MONEY INTO! NO Super 35 kit for me. No locker into this thing for me. I will not, WASTE my money on it.

Thanks TJgreg for your input.
04-03-2006 12:43 PM
TJGreg as long as you're not driving on the street, it wont be much of a problem. I'll disagree with the previous posts and say go for it. The 35 is a little weak, but as long as you're not hard on the throttle with your new "locker" you will be fine.
04-03-2006 08:54 AM
4Jeepn Okay, just to make sure I understand... you somehow busted the spider gears in a dana 35, and now you want to weld it together as a temp fix for a trip? If it already broke with the least amount of stress possilbe (not locked) then I would say welding it up is an accident waiting to happen.

You could put a super 35 kit in which would help run 33's or even 35's locked. I would also what to find out why the spider gears went south. Is a tube bent, etc,etc. Bottom line I would not wheel with it welded as in the back of my mind I would be thinking, when is it going to bust, will I be going 2 mph with a 500 foot drop to my left or 50mph on the road and the whole rear end comes flying out.
04-03-2006 08:29 AM
Moab Man It won't hold up and I doubt any trail leader would have you on the trail knowing you are set up that way.
04-03-2006 02:21 AM
91taurisho
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Originally Posted by Moab Man
I can tell you this is a very bad idea. You have a light weight axle, tires beyond the comfort zone of this axle, you want to go rockcrawling, and your going to spool it. Honestly unless you're trailering this rig I wouldn't even attempt this trip until you can get those spiders replaced.

Having spare axles isn't going to help. Once you weld those spiders together, and to the case, you won't be able to get those broken axles pieces out or the new ones in.

Not trying to deter you from going but this is a recipe for disaster.

I have a trailer and planned on trailering it home if it breaks. That's not a problem. My Family and friends will be there and I will too. My jeep may not but I will.

And there will be no welding to the carrier, that would weaken it to much. The spider gears and carrier are two different metals and it weakens it when you heat them up and try and get them to mold like that. I've done quite a bit of research to this and have found a lot of useful information on it.
Like I said, I know it will be hard on axles. I would like to know if it will work at all... How long would it last? I plan on getting some new(probably used) spider gears but I don't have the time to put them in before I leave.
04-03-2006 01:41 AM
Moab Man I can tell you this is a very bad idea. You have a light weight axle, tires beyond the comfort zone of this axle, you want to go rockcrawling, and your going to spool it. Honestly unless you're trailering this rig I wouldn't even attempt this trip until you can get those spiders replaced.

Having spare axles isn't going to help. Once you weld those spiders together, and to the case, you won't be able to get those broken axles pieces out or the new ones in.

Not trying to deter you from going but this is a recipe for disaster.
04-03-2006 01:09 AM
91taurisho
Welding the spider gears on a dana 35

If you don't want to read the story scroll down to the question in bold.


Well, I have a 1997 TJ with a D35 rear axle(c-clip style of course). I was wheeling today with a couple friends and what do you know, but snap, snap snap... I'm thinking "oh great, I'm gonna have to strap a tree to my frame to hold that sucker in." But luckily it wasn't an axle... I thought it might be my ring and pinion because one of my friends that was with me told me his sounded like that when he broke a ring and pinion. That and the fact that the wheel wasn't falling out. Fastforward a little bit to removing the driveshaft and finding out that something is almost stripped. I can turn the yoke on the rear end almost all the way around with it catching slightly one or two times a turn, and the wheels weren't moving. So I drive home in front wheel drive and no rear driveshaft in(which was irritating in itself) since I just put a Tom Woods driveshaft in on friday and my SYE in last week. I get home and Start searching the internet for parts and hadn't really gotten into the axle yet. I decided I was going to remove the diff cover and see what I'm up against and come to find out, it wasn't the ring and pinion at all. I ended up tearing up the spider gears. They are all pretty mangled. The teeth are still there, but they look like they are on their way to being completely stripped.

So my question is this:
Does anyone see a major problem with welding the spider gears on a Dana 35 C-clip axle? Will this break immediately? Almost immediately? Will it work for a little bit? Have you ever done it? Ever seen it done?

I know it's not going to be good for the axles so I'm going to look for some spares.

It's not going to be a permanent fix, it's more of a temporary fix until I can find and build an 8.8 or a D44 out of a TJ in the junkyard.

I'm going to Easter Jeep Safari on the 12 of this month and need the jeep by then. I know buying a locker is the best way to fix this, but I just don't want to put money into something that's going to get replaced not to long from now.

Thanks in advance for any input,
Scott

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