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05-27-2014 10:13 AM
cc4005
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Originally Posted by kmrtnsn View Post
Mine is mounted in the same place, with the Jeepswag, "Dave" brackets. I'm also using their accessory brackets to store a shovel, an axe, and a Hi-lift wide base in the same location, up and out of the way and away from prying eyes.
I've been eying the Dave brackets but heard the jack has to be removed to raise or lower the soft top. Can anyone confirm this for '13 JKU? Emailed jeepswag but no reply.
05-26-2014 09:00 PM
Bonecollector
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Originally Posted by JK Coaster View Post
For those of you with four doors and put the Hi-Lift under the rear seat, how do you usually secure it? I know its not that likely, but highway rollovers have happened and these jacks and our other gear have a real potential to cause injury once they start flying around inside.

I have a two door with the back seat out. The Hi-Lift is outside on a Teraflex accessory carrier but I also have a 36 pound Pull Pal land anchor that goes inside. In my case, I secure it to the rear seat floor mounts with four large cable ties rated at 150 pounds each. They cost almost $1.00 each at Home Depot but go on quick and come off quick with the wire cutters.
I carry mine with the rear seats folded down and the Hi Lift laying nestled down into the hinge area, Then I lay my shovel down on top of it moving it around till it fits good then my axe goes down against them both. I then take Two ballistic straps with buckles not velcro and strap the three items together with the straps going down through the Child restraint rings behind the seat. It is a very stout fastening point and is in fact DOT rated. I also wrap the whole bundle in an old gray beach towel for silence. They are only in there when we go wheeling, take up nearly no space at all, and are quite easy to get to. Just have not fabbed up a good mount yet, but its coming soon.
05-26-2014 07:59 PM
JK Coaster For those of you with four doors and put the Hi-Lift under the rear seat, how do you usually secure it? I know its not that likely, but highway rollovers have happened and these jacks and our other gear have a real potential to cause injury once they start flying around inside.

I have a two door with the back seat out. The Hi-Lift is outside on a Teraflex accessory carrier but I also have a 36 pound Pull Pal land anchor that goes inside. In my case, I secure it to the rear seat floor mounts with four large cable ties rated at 150 pounds each. They cost almost $1.00 each at Home Depot but go on quick and come off quick with the wire cutters.
05-26-2014 07:31 PM
Bonecollector I'm not a former DR, but am married to a thirty year veteran Nurse who has witnessed an amazing amount of traumatic injury. I personally have 25 employees and would never ask them to do anything I wont do first and still do to this day.

Bottom line: Two famous one liners that are very pertinent to this "discussion".

A man has got to know his limitations., and you cant fix stupid.
05-26-2014 07:29 PM
kmrtnsn
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Originally Posted by 2013 Moab View Post
Yeah you are right, those slotted ones are the newer version, the one you pictured came with my 69' skylark.
I remember taking off my shirt to put between the jack and the chrome bumper; NO SCRATCHES on dad's car!
05-26-2014 07:08 PM
2013 Moab Yeah you are right, those slotted ones are the newer version, the one you pictured came with my 69' skylark.
05-26-2014 07:01 PM
Captain Ed
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Originally Posted by 2013 Moab View Post
Exactly, I always liked those jacks, just had to learn how to use them and they were fine. Because car got plastic bumpers now they went by way of the dino.
Those are the "newer" version of the old jack. That one is used in the little slot that mfgrs put in the chrome bumper.

Now you more seasoned folks will remember the one like this.
05-26-2014 06:30 PM
Springtail
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Originally Posted by Stretchmobile View Post
I see, you are like the food inspectors that I work with that won't eat at any restaurants.
LOL! Based on my clientele, there are many restaurants that I will not venture into. Between the workers that I see and what the cops tell me....it's amazing that I will eat out at all.

Here is a big hint....if it is a franchise, Don't eat there.

Sometimes I wish I didn't know all the stuff I know.

Doc
05-26-2014 04:07 PM
2013 Moab
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Originally Posted by kmrtnsn View Post
The people that go on about how dangerous Hi-lift jacks are never owned a pre-1972 American car or light truck.

Remember these?



We used to get a lot more flats, "back in the day", and all of us seemed to have survived well into our '50s and beyond.
Exactly, I always liked those jacks, just had to learn how to use them and they were fine. Because car got plastic bumpers now they went by way of the dino.
05-26-2014 03:30 PM
cornfedksboy I've never used a Hi Lift or seen a Hi Lift in use. As such, I'm hesitant to get one. That said, I have no doubt that they can be used safely by an experienced individual.
05-26-2014 03:25 PM
kmrtnsn The people that go on about how dangerous Hi-lift jacks are never owned a pre-1972 American car or light truck.

Remember these?



We used to get a lot more flats, "back in the day", and all of us seemed to have survived well into our '50s and beyond.
05-26-2014 11:28 AM
Stretchmobile
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Originally Posted by Springtail View Post
I would wager that a shotgun is a safer tool than a hi-lift.



I agree with you....again, I choose to avoid the dangerous tools whenever I can.

For the record, I hire people to use the Band saw, torch, table saw, lathe and mill for me. Better their fingers than mine.



By this description....I am not even sure that you realize what dangers a hi-lift jack poses. Being unstable is only one of the lesser dangers of a hi-lift, that is unless you do not mind having your face rearranged.

As an ER Doctor, I have seen many farm related injuries that occurred only because of a momentary lapse of respect for the tool. The result is injury, dismemberment or even death. I even own a high-lift....I just never use it unless there is no other alternative.

I am merely suggesting that there are other safer tools for the task. Use what you will.

Doc
I see, you are like the food inspectors that I work with that won't eat at any restaurants.
05-26-2014 10:39 AM
cdeslandes
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Originally Posted by Springtail View Post
I would wager that a shotgun is a safer tool than a hi-lift.
It's only dangerous in one specific direction. A hi-lift is dangerous within 48" in every directions.

Still both have their use.
05-26-2014 10:30 AM
kmrtnsn
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Originally Posted by HAFICON View Post
12gauge nice, it is a good thing you don't carry the 12g and Hi-Lift in the same vehicle that would be a CRAZY all those dangerous tools.. *L* Of course I have always wanted to use my Hi-Lift as a battering ram, like a master key for locked doors.
Actually, when a Hi-lift is used to breach a door, it it turned sideways and the doorframe is spread until the door just pops open!
05-26-2014 10:26 AM
Kane21d
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Originally Posted by HAFICON View Post
12gauge nice, it is a good thing you don't carry the 12g and Hi-Lift in the same vehicle that would be a CRAZY all those dangerous tools.. *L* Of course I have always wanted to use my Hi-Lift as a battering ram, like a master key for locked doors.
I prefer this.
Broco Breachers' A.R.C. Backpack System - Broco-Rankin

Saves on having to repaint your hi-lift....
05-26-2014 10:21 AM
HAFICON
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Originally Posted by kmrtnsn View Post
The same can be said of the 12ga I rack in my work vehicle every day. Be the master of your tools, not the other way around.
12gauge nice, it is a good thing you don't carry the 12g and Hi-Lift in the same vehicle that would be a CRAZY all those dangerous tools.. *L* Of course I have always wanted to use my Hi-Lift as a battering ram, like a master key for locked doors.
05-26-2014 10:00 AM
2013 Moab If you afraid of your tools you should not use them...
05-26-2014 09:18 AM
Springtail
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Originally Posted by mhicanders View Post
If you use a hi-lift properly there is zero risk. Don't jack with your face (or other body parts) in the path of the handle, stabilize the vehicle/jack or be out of the way if it might fall..etc..

Anyone that thinks they were hurt by a hi-lift was actually hurt by their own stupidity.
I don't agree with the "zero risk" part but the rest is spot on.

I always tell people that the Emergency Room is in the business of "stupid".....and business is GOOD.

Doc
05-26-2014 09:12 AM
mhicanders If you use a hi-lift properly there is zero risk. Don't jack with your face (or other body parts) in the path of the handle, stabilize the vehicle/jack or be out of the way if it might fall..etc..

Anyone that thinks they were hurt by a hi-lift was actually hurt by their own stupidity.
05-26-2014 08:56 AM
Espo78 This is a new, softer America. People no longer want to work "difficult" or "dangerous" jobs they just want to complain and go on strike because they don't make $15/hr flipping burgers. There are a lot of good jobs out there but people aren't willing to fill them. Mike Rowe has it all figured out.

Profoundly Disconnected
05-26-2014 08:54 AM
Springtail
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Originally Posted by kmrtnsn View Post
The same can be said of the 12ga I rack in my work vehicle every day. Be the master of your tools, not the other way around.
I would wager that a shotgun is a safer tool than a hi-lift.

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Originally Posted by Stretchmobile View Post
Every tool in my shop has potential to kill or severely injure me. Band saw, welder, torch, table saw, lathe, mill, power tools. You must be the master and not be afraid of what might happen. Learn how to use the tool and be as safe as you can. This is my second Hi-lift. They can be very useful in many ways.
I agree with you....again, I choose to avoid the dangerous tools whenever I can.

For the record, I hire people to use the Band saw, torch, table saw, lathe and mill for me. Better their fingers than mine.

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Originally Posted by Bonecollector View Post
You should see all the ways you could be "destroyed" in a Chemical plant, Oil Refinery, or Power Plant. You could be fried, boiled, radiated, poisoned, shredded, smashed beyond recognition all on your way to the safety meeting before work even starts. A Hi Lift jack is a safe tool to use if you use it safely. If your crawling under any vehicle on anykind of Jack without the vehicle being blocked solidly your playing with death and dismemberment. Hi lift jacks are a generational tool, many have been passed down. I find it hard to believe there are this many folks who find it a dangerous piece of equipment considering the trash that gets passed off as standard equipment in vehicles for jacks and even spare tires. To think of all the farmers and millions of others who use these weapons of mass destruction for nearly 100 years and actually survive it.
By this description....I am not even sure that you realize what dangers a hi-lift jack poses. Being unstable is only one of the lesser dangers of a hi-lift, that is unless you do not mind having your face rearranged.

As an ER Doctor, I have seen many farm related injuries that occurred only because of a momentary lapse of respect for the tool. The result is injury, dismemberment or even death. I even own a high-lift....I just never use it unless there is no other alternative.

I am merely suggesting that there are other safer tools for the task. Use what you will.

Doc
05-26-2014 01:43 AM
Bonecollector You should see all the ways you could be "destroyed" in a Chemical plant, Oil Refinery, or Power Plant. You could be fried, boiled, radiated, poisoned, shredded, smashed beyond recognition all on your way to the safety meeting before work even starts. A Hi Lift jack is a safe tool to use if you use it safely. If your crawling under any vehicle on anykind of Jack without the vehicle being blocked solidly your playing with death and dismemberment. Hi lift jacks are a generational tool, many have been passed down. I find it hard to believe there are this many folks who find it a dangerous piece of equipment considering the trash that gets passed off as standard equipment in vehicles for jacks and even spare tires. To think of all the farmers and millions of others who use these weapons of mass destruction for nearly 100 years and actually survive it.
05-26-2014 01:42 AM
kmrtnsn
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Originally Posted by HAFICON View Post
For those of you with the high lift mounted inside the cab to the roll cage. How hard is it to get in and out? Im thinking for the number for times it will be used it would not be to much of an inconvenience.

To hit on the fact of why have one? For me one of the biggest uses I have for it is reconnecting sway bar links it is great for stretching out the suspension yes. But overall it is a universal tool with endless uses, and when not used carefully or properly endless ways to kill of injure you.
The "Dave" mount utilizes two bolts that work like mounting studs. You hang the jack on the studs. Once the jack is in place you use two nuts to tighten it down. A Crescent wrench can break the nuts loose when needed and you can spin them off by hand, it just takes a minute. The jack is completely out of view, I can't even see it in my mirror.
05-26-2014 01:12 AM
Stretchmobile
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Originally Posted by Springtail View Post
Pretty much sums it up.

While it is a pretty useful tool....the danger of using one pretty much rules it out for me. There are other safer,easier to store tools that can take its place....just not "all in one".

Doc
Every tool in my shop has potential to kill or severely injure me. Band saw, welder, torch, table saw, lathe, mill, power tools. You must be the master and not be afraid of what might happen. Learn how to use the tool and be as safe as you can. This is my second Hi-lift. They can be very useful in many ways.
05-26-2014 12:58 AM
kmrtnsn
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Originally Posted by Springtail View Post
Pretty much sums it up.

While it is a pretty useful tool....the danger of using one pretty much rules it out for me. There are other safer,easier to store tools that can take its place....just not "all in one".

Doc
The same can be said of the 12ga I rack in my work vehicle every day. Be the master of your tools, not the other way around.
05-25-2014 10:06 PM
Springtail
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Originally Posted by HAFICON View Post
But overall it is a universal tool with endless uses, and when not used carefully or properly endless ways to kill of injure you.
Pretty much sums it up.

While it is a pretty useful tool....the danger of using one pretty much rules it out for me. There are other safer,easier to store tools that can take its place....just not "all in one".

Doc
05-25-2014 07:45 PM
HAFICON For those of you with the high lift mounted inside the cab to the roll cage. How hard is it to get in and out? Im thinking for the number for times it will be used it would not be to much of an inconvenience.

To hit on the fact of why have one? For me one of the biggest uses I have for it is reconnecting sway bar links it is great for stretching out the suspension yes. But overall it is a universal tool with endless uses, and when not used carefully or properly endless ways to kill of injure you.
05-25-2014 07:03 PM
adamjgb I get the most use out of my Hi-lift at home.

05-25-2014 03:10 PM
kmrtnsn
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Originally Posted by IBgeocaching View Post
I had mine there for a few years in my 4 door.

Attachment 1138073

Now have it mounted on roll bar
Mine is mounted in the same place, with the Jeepswag, "Dave" brackets. I'm also using their accessory brackets to store a shovel, an axe, and a Hi-lift wide base in the same location, up and out of the way and away from prying eyes.
05-25-2014 03:07 PM
kmrtnsn Things a "good bottle jack" will not do,

Provide leverage for prying/moving boulders
Provide a 48-60" bridging surface (depending on the size of your Hi-lift)
Stretch framing and or body work
Reset cut twisted-wire fencing
Pull your jeep out of a hole if you don't have a winch
Lift roofs, pry open doors, tear open body panels (the Hi-lift was the original "jaws of life"

Want to change a tire, a bottle jack is just fine, it's when you have bigger problems that it comes up lacking.

If you have to buy a bottle jack then the Bogert setup is the only way to go.
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