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02-26-2011 11:19 AM
JeeperJake EDIT re; "I hope this thread about snow on my Sahara degenerates into some kind of squabbling. "

of course I MEANT to say "DOESN'T deteriorate".....musta been the heat affecting me....
02-26-2011 10:12 AM
Whoville Islander
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Originally Posted by Dogzilla View Post
The problem for me.....is that I live on the sound.
Is it bad that I live on an island?
02-26-2011 09:50 AM
Mr. Sinister
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Originally Posted by JeeperJake View Post
re: "There is solid, concrete evidence about some things, like the ice caps melting,"

so are the ice caps on Mars, some of the moons of Jupiter, Saturn and Neptune.

Of course the climate is changing....just as it did in the last Ice Age and our oceans resulted in today's land mass shapes.

Add in the effects of solar fluctuations (Maunder Minimum IIRC) and a host of otherwise not included data, I'm all for understanding Our World.

Is anyone here old enough to recall the alarm in the late 1960s of "the Coming Ice Age"?

I hope this thread about snow on my Sahara degenerates into some kind of squabbling.
I'm not arguing that. Like I keep saying, we haven't been able to completely prove anything yet. That's the issue with this theory, there's no long term data to prove this hasn't happened before. Even if it has, they haven't been able to completely prove man is the cause. There is data both for and against this, neither side can prove their theory is right beyond a shadow of a doubt.
02-25-2011 11:20 PM
4 Jeep Family
02-25-2011 10:42 PM
JeeperJake re: "There is solid, concrete evidence about some things, like the ice caps melting,"

so are the ice caps on Mars, some of the moons of Jupiter, Saturn and Neptune.

Of course the climate is changing....just as it did in the last Ice Age and our oceans resulted in today's land mass shapes.

Add in the effects of solar fluctuations (Maunder Minimum IIRC) and a host of otherwise not included data, I'm all for understanding Our World.

Is anyone here old enough to recall the alarm in the late 1960s of "the Coming Ice Age"?

I hope this thread about snow on my Sahara degenerates into some kind of squabbling.
02-25-2011 10:23 PM
millfire517 I'm going to go out and burn a tire tomorrow. Hoping it will warm up the temps here a bit.
02-25-2011 09:33 PM
Mr. Sinister Naysayers will always be naysayers. As with any theory, you can both provide evidence and explain it away at the same time. There is solid, concrete evidence about some things, like the ice caps melting, ocean levels rising, carbon production going up and overall temperature trends. These are facts. What we haven't been able to completely prove is that man is the cause of these things.
But keep in mind, man once KNEW the earth was flat. Man once KNEW the sun revolved around the earth. The people who theorized against what we thought we knew were laughing stocks. Man now KNOWS that both of these things we were once so convinced of, are wrong. I'm not saying this is the case here, but it's hard to ignore the evidence and just write it off. Throughout man's existence on this planet, we've been trying to write things off that go against what we thought we knew up until the day they blow up in our face.
Maybe we're not having any negative affects on the environment, maybe we are. Never close your mind to the possibility that maybe you're wrong. That goes for both sides of the argument.
02-25-2011 05:44 PM
Dogzilla Two weeks ago, it was colder in Oklahoma than it was AT the South Pole. One week later (last week), the temperature in Oklahoma was 100 degrees higher than it was the previous week. Chew on that for a bit.
02-25-2011 05:40 PM
bamajeeper You should have asked Robert about jeeping there< I am sure he has been there. ---Too late , Robert has left us !!!
02-25-2011 05:18 PM
j33pZ "Climate change" lol

There is plenty of land in Antarctica that is under ice. Personally I cant wait till it thaws out so I can carve out a little homestead for myself. Also, I heard the offroading there is outstanding!
02-25-2011 05:11 PM
amenendez_90 With technology changing daily, it’s only a matter of time you can see what you are looking to see. When Galileo invented a thermometer he was using what was then modern science, now you have Al Gore, who created the internet, using modern science. During the 1990’s you measured computer hard drive space in MB and know I am using TBs, so information is becoming more and more and tracking, so maybe we need to see what happens in 100 years. So let’s get out there and put bigger tires and lifts and enjoy life….
Later
AMen
02-25-2011 04:50 PM
bflank It is awfully convenient to have a scientific theory that is validated by any conceivable weather pattern. Warmer than normal winters confirm the theory, colder than normal winters confirm the theory, drought, floods - ditto. Can anyone tell me what weather pattern would contradict the global warming theory?

OK, now to get serious. There is widespread scientific consensus that the planet's climate has gotten warmer in the last century. The consensus view as to the exact amount of warming is not quite as strong. The majority of scientist believe that it is reasonable to expect the climate to continue to warm. That to my mind covers the parts of the theory that have widespread scientific acceptance.

When you get to the question of why the climate has been warming the picture is more complicated. There is now some evidence that suggests in past warming events the buildup in CO2 came after the climate began to warm, not before. It is well established that CO2 is a weak greenhouse gas, but the theory that pins human caused CO2 emissions as the primary cause of warming is based as I understand it on the idea that CO2 acts as a catalyst for water vapor in the atmosphere - and water vapor is a much stronger greenhouse gas. The problem scientifically is that this theory is primarily based on mathematical models and very little experimental or observational data. Another issue is that, again as I understand it, the CO2 caused warming model does not predict or account for the generally acknowledged level off in warming since about 1998. The exact length of the level off depends on who you talk to, and most scientists believe that it is only temporary - warming will probably resume. But a 10+ year blip may in fact be long enough to make an honest scientist question whether the model needs at least some re-examination.
02-25-2011 04:35 PM
Texasflusher Mopwr2u You are so right. "Climate Change" is now the official new name. I think because too many of world's global warming conferences were getting snowed in it was getting too embarrasing.
We need to get with the times on this name change.
02-25-2011 04:07 PM
rripror ...take all your 'scientific' research about 'climate disruption' and explain it to 'China and India'...see how far that get's you. we do our share of solving problems we create.
02-25-2011 04:04 PM
navret
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Originally Posted by Dogzilla View Post
The problem for me.....is that I live on the sound.
you should be ok for a few more years lol
02-25-2011 02:59 PM
MOPWR2U You guys are so last week. Don't you know it isn't called global warming anymore? Its called "climate change" now.
02-25-2011 02:41 PM
Dogzilla The problem for me.....is that I live on the sound.
02-25-2011 02:31 PM
rvator Who cares. Global warming means more top down days. Rising ocean levels means I will have beach property in central Va.
02-25-2011 01:56 PM
Mr. Sinister I'm not saying it's all 100% true, but scientists have been saying for quite a while that more extreme weather, wider temperature swings and less predictable weather in general is what will be happening.
We had 12+ feet of snow last winter and probably 6 or so feet so far this winter after averaging maybe 1-2 feet for as long as I can remember. The past couple summers have been fairly mild, with only a few stretches of 90* degree days. So the data is mixed, but interesting.
It was 74* here last Friday. It was 25* Monday and it snowed 4 inches.
It may just be me, but weather forecasting has been terrible for the past several years. Maybe it always was, but it seems like it's been worse lately.

If you read my posts enough, you'll know I'm a huge science nerd. I pay attention to this stuff. While there is a natural swing to weather patterns across the globe, what has been happening over the last 10 years is like nothing documented before. The trouble with proving these trends are being adversely affected by man is that we have no real picture over a long period of time. There's just no long term data to compare against. All this might very well have happened before. Then again, it might not have. Carbon production IS way up, that we can prove and do have long term data for. While some carbon is good for the environment (trees act as air scrubbers, removing carbon and producing oxygen), we are simply producing more than nature can handle. This could also be linked to deforestation, since less trees means less air scrubbers, which means more carbon in the atmosphere.

Scientists aren't the bad guys here. It's the politicians that use this data to invent new ways to take your money.
02-25-2011 01:02 PM
jeepjones Are you guys kidding me? I walked out of work last night and it was -40c! I wish Canada had as much problem with "Global Warming" as you guys have. LOL
02-25-2011 12:58 PM
Texasflusher I'm guessing a February snowfall in JeeperJake's state of Oregon is not as extreme as Dogzilla thinks it is. Can we get an official Oregonian ruling on this?
I am blinded by warmth here in Texas.
02-25-2011 12:27 PM
Dogzilla Oddly enough, those things are EXACTLY what "global warming" is. Look for more of these extreme swings in weather conditions.

You DO like extreme weather swings.....don't you??
02-25-2011 08:52 AM
clear lake jeepn Is that Al Gore hiding behind the tree in the background.
02-25-2011 08:45 AM
jeffk42 Man, I was sweating in my Jeep yesterday. All this weather needs to just average out, and we'll all be fine.
02-25-2011 08:32 AM
JeeperJake
more evidence global warming


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