|04-04-2011 07:11 AM|
Yeah I'm pretty picky with the techs and specs also. Tough call. Plus wife just had new carpet installed, funny how I find these things out the day before. Eliminates the veto I guess. Then again allows for the price tag of the jeep to creep up a bit too so I see it as a win. Do new models usually hit the lots around sept or oct?
|04-04-2011 02:22 AM|
|sheetsd66||It kinda depends on what kind of setup you want, too. You can wait for the 2012s to go into production before you make your decision, but if you decide then that you like the 2010/11s better you may have to settle for what's on the lot. I personally like to order mine exactly the way I want it-I'm not paying for stuff I didn't want and I'm not missing stuff I wanted.|
|04-03-2011 09:02 PM|
|daggo66||CJ's had an option for full time 4wd back in the 70's. It was called quadratrac so it is possible.|
|04-03-2011 06:46 PM|
|Wrangler2012||I can't imagine them going AWD with the Wrangler.|
|04-03-2011 05:00 PM|
2012 Wrangler Change?
Heard from allpar and a few other forums that the 2012 Wrangler IS, of course, getting the Pentastar V6. Allpar indicates its sources say it will "only" be 260 hp, rather than the 290 hp we see in the Grand Cherokee and I think Dodge Durango. They're emphasizing torque more than horsepower for the Wrangler. Of course, 260 is an almost 30% improvement over the current 202 hp V6. The automatic would be an improvement, though people I know who have the 6 speed manual like it. The one thing I'm a little unsure of is this...if they put a full-time 4WD system in, that means those of us who may want to use this ON ROAD, or just around town, will have to use this 4WD all the time, correct? Won't that be more gas usage, wear and tear, etc. I'm not very technical, but if I could not have 2WD when I wanted it, that could be a deal breaker for me. I know the Toyota FJ Cruiser, which has a death warrant hanging over it, has 2WD OR the full time 4WD. I hope Wrangler allows the option of 2WD. Anyone know anything else about it?
|03-19-2011 08:18 AM|
|fluugs||And sorry for vanishing for a couple days. Don't recover after St. Paddy's like I used to. lol|
|03-19-2011 08:18 AM|
|fluugs||Great input guys. Think I'll see how far down I can bring the dealer on the 2010 and get this thing underway!|
|03-17-2011 09:09 PM|
ya i wouldn't think it would be that much better. maybe one day they will have a hybrid electric.
My 2011 jeep wrangler gets over 23-25 mpg on the high way going 55-65mph
not bad for a jeep
|03-17-2011 07:10 PM|
|Wrangler2012||Just a wild guess but I'm going with 19 city 24 highway. I think it's going to be around 250 - 260 HP|
|03-17-2011 05:25 PM|
|03-17-2011 01:34 PM|
As others have stated I wouldn't let fuel mileage be a major factor in your decision. A few MPG is only going to equate to $2-$300 a year...and you are going to save thousands of dollars buying a 2010 vs a 2012 so it will take over 10 years to make your money back .
I bought a 2010 in late Jan this year. Same kind of deal- I could get a much better price on the 10 than the 11. I really liked the interior of the 2011's as well and I was tempted to just go that route, but for me personally it wasn't worth the price difference.
|03-17-2011 12:58 PM|
The biggest problem with the Wrangler is aerodynamics. It's flat and tall, with lots of ground clearance and big mirrors that stick way out. So air hits flat against the front end and drags on the undercarriage. The soft top also deflects air in inconsistent ways, so that doesn't help either.
So a more efficient engine and transmission will definitely help, but I wouldn't count on the same improvement seen in the GC, which is much more aerodynamic. Weight is more of a factor on city mileage and the GC is heavier, but aerodynamics are what matters most on highway mileage, which the GC has all over the Wrangler.
My bet is about a 2mpg increase on both numbers, given the engine and transmission are the same as in the GC.
|03-17-2011 12:35 PM|
LOL ! !
|03-17-2011 12:15 PM|
|03-17-2011 11:45 AM|
|03-17-2011 10:32 AM|
yeah i figured the gains in mpg wouldn't seal the deal but maybe between the revised interior, and improved engine it could all make it worthwhile. i guess it depends heavily on how good a deal i can get on the 2010. seems like the dealer isn't really that interested in selling it and there is no reason for me to even consider it at a price close to an 2011. anyway as always i appreciate the information. all things i have considered but it helps to break it down a little. additionally i am leaning towards the manual transmission, mostly because i feel i am still young enough to enjoy it and don't want to regret not getting it. i know there are tons of posts and strong feelings about that subject. does make it a tough choice with a likely new auto trans, but there is always time for that i guess.
...unless of course dagg is right and i don't make it that long ,
|03-17-2011 10:02 AM|
|idiotbox37||on a plus side, waiting allows you to save a bigger down payment|
|03-17-2011 08:33 AM|
I ordered my 2011 in October rather than wait until 2012, and I know I made the right decision because I've had this awesome Wrangler the whole time. Like daggo said, life is too short...
|03-17-2011 08:24 AM|
I would expect it to be the same range of improvement as with the GC. Therefore you are looking at more HP and 1 to 2, maybe 3 to 4 MPG tops. that is not a big difference for one vehicle, however when looking at a fleet average, it is a significant improvement. You might save a couple hundred dollars in fuel over the course of a year.
Personally 1 or 2 MPG means nothing to mean. It's all based upon your personal driving habits if you are even going to come near those numbers. If you are concerned about MPG in your DD get a 40 MPG 4 banger like a Ford Fiesta.
When I bought my Wrangler I thought in the back of my mind that I would just drive my old Corolla on trips to save gas. I did that for a couple of weeks. I realized I was driving a freaking Corolla while my Jeep was sitting home!
Life is too short to not be driving a Wrangler. You will miss the best months of this summer waiting for a 2012 when you could be driving topless and doorless. You could be dead by September.
Would I wait if I were in your shoes? Maybe. It's a tough decision. A new engine with more HP in a vehicle that really doesn't need it, especially a 2dr. manual, or a tried and true engine that has easily achieved 250+ miles in legacy vehicles?
All I now is I'm very happy with my '09 and I'm ecstatic that I don't have to make that decision.
|03-17-2011 08:06 AM|
|03-17-2011 07:49 AM|
|ncossey||I really dont think the pentastar is gonna give that much better fuel improvements to be honest. I think the biggest difference is gonna come from a better automatic transmission. Im never gonna get good mileage because I wont own a wrangler without putting 35s and a lift on it, just personal preference.|
|03-17-2011 07:37 AM|
Well, the GC is larger, and the 4x4 model (16/22 mpg) starts at about 800 pounds more than a 2 door Wrangler Sport (15/19 mpg). So I would imagine that you'd do a little better mileage-wise on a 2012 Wrangler than a 2011 GC. Plus, no one knows if the Pentastar will be configured differently than it is in the GC, or what effect that might have on mileage.
We won't know until we know.
|03-17-2011 07:29 AM|
2012 Fuel Economy
First off hello everyone. I'm new to the forum although I have visited too many times to count for a couple years now. I'm finally in a position to purchase a new jeep (not necessarily "new" but new to me at least) and have fallen into the waiting game that so many of you have referenced in many posts. That is, I have considered putting off purchase in lieu of the next best thing. So of course that right now is the 2012 and the pentastar. I have my eye on a new 2010 that I would think I could get a good deal on at this point, however I do like the looks of the new interior in the 2011. Ultimately the jeep would be my daily driver. I am excited about getting into the world of off- roading, especially beyond the light things I do with my truck right now, but wouldn't mind seeing a little better fuel economy as a bonus. I know that isn't what wranglers are for, however if it can be done I would be a fool not to go with it. That said, I compared the mpg for the 2010 GC vs the 2011 and it really doesn't seem that there is a significant difference. Should we basically expect the same minimal improvement in the 2012 with a bit more power. If so I may seriously consider the 2010, or even the 2011 when the 2012s come out. Sorry for the lengthy post, this has been a concern of mine for some time now. Thanks for the help and I look forward to being a fellow jeep owner soon.