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08-02-2007 04:13 PM
Mud Stars

I'm in NW Arkansas and when it 'snows' up here it's usually a mix of snow and ice. I have them in 31X10.50 15s and they did fine for me last year. Just be careful with the skinny pedal. However, an A/T would probably be better. I couldn't pass 'em up for 96 bucks a piece.
08-02-2007 03:36 PM

Above is the link for the same wheel but in 15" rims and they come in a 3.75" BS and they are 15x8" for $269

OR...I can get the 15x10" w/ 4" BS for $314 Here

The Shipping is $70 to the door. so thats not too bad. I would think that I could get more than $200 for a set of 5 rims + tires.
08-02-2007 02:49 PM
ookxtreme sell them on ebay .... i just paid $200 for those same rims on ebay without tires.. i like the look of that rim, hence the reason i purchased them..... then go buy some steelies with the correct bs that day then ship them out to the guy/gal.... since you were already going to buy tires anyway...

they will sell quick on ebay...

08-02-2007 02:40 PM
Originally Posted by EnigmaMan View Post

The only thing that I forsee is that these are 16x8" rims and have a 4.5" BS Which may be too much for some 285/75/R16 tires.

I ran stock MOAB (5" backspacing) wheels on my rubicon with 285/75/16s TRXUS MT tires. That was with a 3" lift and 1" body lift. Loved it and it worked great... no rubbing. But I had removed my front sway bar completely and I hear some guys rub on their links at full turn/stuff. But with 4.5 backspacing you'd be okay.

But... I would still prefer a 4" or 3.75" backspacing because you know eventually you will go bigger. ANd 4.5" backspacing isn't going work as well then.

*edit: those are nice looking wheels by the way... are you sure you can't get them in different sizes or backspacing?
08-02-2007 02:13 PM
erickpl TrXuS makes an MT that is siped. I run those and have had good luck with em. Granted I'm in Alabama and the only snow I'll see here is in a snow globe and the only ice I'll see is in a Maker's and Coke.

Mud/dirt/rock/rain traction is excellent though.
08-02-2007 02:01 PM
Chad P heres my stocker wheels just like yours. the pic has my 33x12.50R15 BFG's with the sway bar disconnected. Yes the tires rub on full turns but not to bad. They really don't rub while wheeling.

08-02-2007 01:50 PM
EnigmaMan Also, I think i am going to sell my wheels / tires as a package to help fund the new set of wheels for the jeep.

for 5 rims / 5 tires could I get ~$500 out of it? all of the tires are matching and have ~70% of the tread left (they are the stock).

If so that will offset the rim / tire cost. Or should I keep the stock wheels incase of warrenty issues?
08-02-2007 01:12 PM
EnigmaMan Mud Stars?

I have heard taht Mud tires are good for deep snow traction but suck on Ice and hard packed snow because they arnt Sipped like an A/T tire is.
08-02-2007 12:28 PM
blownfanswitch Why not buy the cheap steelies on 4wd and get some Mud Stars for like 100 bucks a piece?
08-02-2007 11:20 AM
EnigmaMan Awesome good info on the spacers.

I got a Quote from 4 wheel parts and 4 wheel spacers would = $200

So I can spend the $200 for good wheel spacers or spend $290 for a set of 4 rims that look like this.

The only thing that I forsee is that these are 16x8" rims and have a 4.5" BS Which may be too much for some 285/75/R16 tires.

So I have 2 options,
1. Get some 32x11.5x15's and be good in the short run

$140x5 = $700
not including Mount / balance / tax / just because fees


2. Buy the rims now, and then try and buy the tires later two at a time as mone becomes available. (but not install them on the jeep until I have at least 4 of them to install).

5 Rims = $362 (~$70.40 each)
4 Tires = $700
Total: $962 (ouch!)
not including Mount / balance / tax / just because fees
08-02-2007 10:13 AM
Walkeraviator Yeah.. i wasnt coming from the "spacers are bad" train of thought... More so from the "steelies look freakin sweet" train of thought. and i wish I could sell my stock wheels, but nobody wants 15x7 steelies.

Cragar 342...$41 x 5 = $205
Mount and Balance...$15 x5 = $75
Centercaps...$13 x 4 = $52
Total Cost...$332
Look of black Steelies.... Priceless...
08-02-2007 10:11 AM
Originally Posted by AzTJ View Post
The only beef with spacers are its one more thing to fail and constantly check on for being tight.

If you go to a Discount Tire or something you can get a decen set of steel wheels(black or chrome) for like $50/ea
$250 = $50 x 5
$ 50 = Mounting and balancing x 5 (i'm being generous)
$300 + tax on the mount/balance/tires/wheels

If you want the centercaps on black steelies, figure $13 ( price) x 4 (not needed on spare really) so that is an addtional $52.00 to pay...

$200 = 100 x 2 Spidertrax spacers (4x4groupbuy price)
$ 50 = mount and balance (for new tires anyway
$250 + tax on the mount/balance/tires

Spacers still come out ahead in this one.

If you want the new wheels, then cool, get em and enjoy em. But if money is tight, then the black steel wheels are not the cheap alternative that they are made out to be, assuming you buy new. The equation changes drastically if you can find a set of 5 wheels from a jeep site. I've seen sets of 5 for 100 w/o the center caps, but they get snapped up rather quickly.

If you need something NOW, then spacers may be the better option for you. Consider also your environment. If they use salt in Colorado (I dunno if they do or not), then the steel wheels may not last as long or hold up as well as the alloys would.
08-02-2007 10:02 AM
erickpl For those that are against wheel spacers, give me GOOD reasoning as to why they are so bad. When I say wheel spacers, I'm talking about the Spidertrax variety, not those shim things you see on sports cars.

The strain on the CV joint does NOT hold water as spacers will give you a comparable backspacing to a different wheel.

I have stock Canyons running 33x12.5x15 tires. I have 5.5" BS before I added the 1.25" spacers. With those, I now have effective backspacing of 4.25", which is STILL closer in than those black steelies with 3.75 or 4" of BS.

I torque the spacers to 110 lbfts per the instructions and I've used red loctite, again per instructions. I checked the torque after 50 and again after 1000 miles. Guess what? Still 110. Wheels attached to the Spidertrax spacers, again torqued to spec. Guess what? No issues there either.

If somebody is really wanting to keep their stock alloys, then the spacers are a PERFECT way to accomplish this, but be sure to get the good spacers like Spidertrax and NOT the shims. The shim spacers WILL cause problems with lugs coming loose or breaking from added stress and the lugnut not being on enough.

If you WANT to go to black steelies or other wheels with less backspacing (to 3.75 or 4"), then go for it. You can sell the stock wheels and recoop most if not all the money.

The other main issue I see is with pricing. When you factor wheel prices, you'd better factor in *5* wheels, not 4. Also factor in mounting and balancing costs and that $160 that Walker quoted quickly goes higher, especially if you have to have them shipped. Wheel center caps, factor in more there and the black steelie deal doesn't really look as sweet. Granted you can probably find them local, but you still have the mount/balance/taxes/center caps if desired to factor in there.

But 15x8 is a good wheel size to run the 33x12.5's.

My only gripe with spacers is that you have 10 lugnuts to remove when working on the brakes/hubs/axleshafts.
08-02-2007 09:16 AM
Walkeraviator Dude get some steelies... you can get steelies for like another 160 bucks...
08-02-2007 08:34 AM
mud707 I am running 33x10.50 tires on my stock jeep 15x8 rims and my brother is running 34x10.50 on his rubicon. we have not had a problem doing this since 10.50 wide is about the normal stock width. I had 15x10 aftermarket rims I got from a junkyard when I had 33x12.50 tires, but liked how my old rims looked better. So when they old tires wore out I switched back. The Tires I have are bfg mudterrians and I ordered them from at 150 a piece. They have the cheapest tire prices of any place I cheacked internet and local.
08-02-2007 03:04 AM
jherrin215 There have been many people on here running spacers with no problem. I run stock canyons, which are pretty much the old version of the wheels you have with 33 x 12.50's and have no problems with rubbing with 1.25" spacers. 2" spacers would be ridicoulous, but you shouldn't have any trouble with a set of 1.25 if you get them torqued down right. I thought there would be some safety issues with spacers but this is my 2nd vehicle with them (WJ with spacers to change bolt pattern) and I have never even had one lug nut loose when I took them off or checked them. You will be fine with some spacers and keeping the stock wheels if that is what you like!!
08-02-2007 02:11 AM
HkdOnJP Go to check out kumho ,venture ,hercules but they also hve BFG ,Mickey Thompson etc.etc.
08-02-2007 01:41 AM
AzTJ Its an All-Terrain tire, so it should do decent in snow, but I donno about mud.

Other tires in a 32x11.5:
ProComp All-Terrain & Mud Terrain
BFGoodrich All-Terrain & Mud Terrain

Plenty of others... I'd suggest checking out local tire shops as well.
08-02-2007 01:17 AM
EnigmaMan Interesting,

I was thinking about getting the Nitto Terra Grappler but they only come in 33x12.5x15 and they are on sale for $137 @ 4wheel

Since these wont fit, and would require new rims / wheel spacers I was looking though the magazine and found some Mickey Thompson BAJA ATZ tires. They are 32x11.5x15 and are going for $161 each.

Any other tire options I should look at that are in this size?
Also have you heard anything good / bad about the MT BAJA ATZ tires in the mud / snow?

08-02-2007 01:01 AM
AzTJ I don't think so, but you can always adjust the steering stops if the do rub.
08-02-2007 12:58 AM
EnigmaMan would I still have the same problem with a 32x11.5x15?
08-02-2007 12:11 AM
AzTJ The only beef with spacers are its one more thing to fail and constantly check on for being tight.

If you go to a Discount Tire or something you can get a decen set of steel wheels(black or chrome) for like $50/ea
08-02-2007 12:08 AM
EnigmaMan so the Width isnt a problem, its the BS thats the issue.

And Wheel spacers arnt a good idea because a 1.5"+ spacer will cause problems with the nuts / studs holding on and possibly backing off??

That sucks.. I dont have the $$ right now to buy new rims and tires, but def need to get some new tires. (Since its the wifes Daily driver and snow will be coming here in the next couple of months)
08-02-2007 12:02 AM
AzTJ Those wheels are 15x8... its the backspacing thats the issue. They have like 5.5" of backspacing which puts them closer to the center of the Jeep. A different wheel with like 4" or even 3.75" of backspacing will stick them out father allowing a wider tire so that it wont rub anything under the Jeep.
08-01-2007 11:56 PM
EnigmaMan ya sorry about the signature... thats the other jeep lol

So wheel spacers are not a good idea w/ these eh? Thats not good.

Hmmm... Are there some stock wheels that are 15x8"?

These rims that are on there I took a tape measure to and they look like they are 15x9.5" from lip to lip (Measured from the inside of the Rim from Lip to Lip with a straight tape measure not bent)

This is what the rims look like, are they Stockers??

If not I have to figure out the BS on them
08-01-2007 11:03 PM
4bangertj i agree^^^ that and if you have say a 15x7 wheel and you go with a 12.50 that tire isnt goin to wear right with that skinny of a wheel, your goin to get alot of wear in the middle of your tread rather than a uniform wear across the tire. how it was explained to me is that the beads of the tire are goin to be pulled in too much on both sides causin the middle of the tire to come up further than the rest of the tread. i had a local tire shop tell me that so in that case...rumor has it
08-01-2007 10:49 PM
GrnTJ Dont waste your money on spacers ortry to use stock wheels. Anything above a 33" tire I'd HIGHLY suggest getting new wheels with more backspacing. Black steelies are the cheapest way to go and they look pretty good to boot.
08-01-2007 08:24 PM
bpowa bow can you fit 2'' spacers on studs that are about over an 1'' in length?

I have stockies 15x7 on with 32x11.5 with no spacers. if I went with 33 I would go 15x8 = reason why I did not go with 33's; no money. spacers=nuts comming loose in long run, vibrations, wheel off, and warping.
08-01-2007 07:07 PM
2much I would stay away from spacers, just my opinion though.
08-01-2007 06:09 PM
debruins or you could get tires with less backspacing for $37 each for black steelies
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