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08-23-2007 10:11 AM
sgnellett
On the right track..

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Originally Posted by WSU Tony View Post
civilized as in the occasional date. Cant have her a sweaty mess because I have no AC!

I have a question about the hard top. I hate things that are shakey or loose. If a cup is shaking in the car, it drives me crazy. I think I'll be the hard top or no top. If its going to rain outside, do I have to run out and get the hard top up? Will the rain hurt the interior electronics or anything?
Yeah, somebody said to stick to your guns, you will appreciate the hardtop in the winter, and a soft top of some kind is a MUCH cheaper upgrade! As has been said before, take your time, get what you want, don't settle, or you will spend all your time wishing you had gotten this or that!
08-16-2007 03:10 PM
nregas1
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Originally Posted by dwdrums801 View Post
x2 on looking for one with the dana 44 i kick myself every time I see that d35 on the back of my rig.....
x2

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Originally Posted by dwdrums801 View Post
...the guy wrote that it had a v6...that might show he doesent have a clue about his jeep and didnt really do maintenance on it if he never opened the hood!
Good point!
08-16-2007 11:54 AM
dwdrums801 x2 on looking for one with the dana 44 i kick myself every time I see that d35 on the back of my rig.....

also the 2nd one you posted the guy wrote that it had a v6 so unless he swapped out the engine then he still has a I6.... if he didnt then that might show he doesent have a clue about his jeep and didnt really do maintenance on it if he never opened the hood!
08-16-2007 08:30 AM
nregas1 D35 prob be just fine. It's just one of those things that is easier to get now than later if you have the opportunity.
08-15-2007 08:32 PM
Levinoss I off road with my dana 35 fine.

~Lev
08-15-2007 08:25 PM
WSU Tony For a guy who's using this vehicle 95% of the time as a Daily Driver, without towing will I notice the Dana 44? Going off road is ok without it right?

(on a side note I'm planning on towing next summer. It will be a small trailer with a lawn mower, some trash cans, and a weed whip. This will obviously be under 2,000 pounds.
08-15-2007 11:09 AM
Walkeraviator I suppose I am one of the few guys who thinks that a soft top down and having full doors looks goofy. I prefer half doors with soft top and full doors only with hard top. And mine have been great.. no rattles, no leaks, and in contrast to my back windows.. are not foggy at all.

And I support finding the right rear end and gearing to make you happy. I found mine for $5000 but had to setlle for Dana 35 and 3.07 gears....when I go much bigger than 31" tires I am going to have to drop some serious cash in diffs.
08-15-2007 11:04 AM
Levinoss
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Originally Posted by WSU Tony View Post
Yes, Park and Woodbury have gotten bad reputations recently. When I went to school (3 years ago) Woodbury was the preppy school, Park were the gear heads. Now woodbury is run over w/ asian gangs!

What pluses does the Dana 44 offer?
Its stronger

~Lev
08-15-2007 11:01 AM
WSU Tony Yes, Park and Woodbury have gotten bad reputations recently. When I went to school (3 years ago) Woodbury was the preppy school, Park were the gear heads. Now woodbury is run over w/ asian gangs!

What pluses does the Dana 44 offer?
08-15-2007 10:59 AM
nregas1 Here's that thread I mentioned. It covers some of the changes to the TJ from 97-06.

http://www.wranglerforum.com/general...tjs-10136.html
08-15-2007 07:11 AM
Odhinn Welcome to the forum. Enjoy

Even though I left that area a long time ago, I would recommend a TJ, Hard top (you can get an aftermarket soft top later if so desired), I6, Manual, Dana 44 rear, and make sure the frame isn't rusted through. Surface/body rust isn't the killer there. As some said don't let the high mileage scare you from the rig. Mine is an 02, has close to 100k, is still running strong, and has been abused. Even with the hard top you better check to make sure the heater is putting out. When I was in high school at Park (before the schools bad rep I heard about last time we were there) I seem to remember several winter days hitting 40 below wind chill.
08-15-2007 02:52 AM
emilior
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Originally Posted by WSU Tony View Post
I hate things that are shakey or loose. If a cup is shaking in the car, it drives me crazy.
It's a jeep! It's gonna shake and bump you going down a smooth highway. If you have the soft top up, it's gonna flap your ears out.

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Originally Posted by WSU Tony View Post
I think I'll be the hard top or no top. If its going to rain outside, do I have to run out and get the hard top up? Will the rain hurt the interior electronics or anything?
If it rains and you don't have your top on, you best get a couple of buddies to help you put on that hard top.

For a civilized jeep, the hardtop is the way to go. It's not as noisy on the highway, and you get a rear window defroster for those nasty winter months.
08-15-2007 01:25 AM
Levinoss Any time bud, we're always here.

(At least I am o.O)

~Lev
08-15-2007 01:18 AM
WSU Tony I like your 04, its a great looking rig. Thanks for the help guys I'm gone for the night. Dont know how to thank you guys, but your help means lots. I'll see you guys again.
08-15-2007 01:14 AM
nregas1
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Full doors it is. Makes sense to have glass windows with a hard top.

What year is your red jeep? Thats exactly what I'm looking for **Drool**

What size tires do you have on it?
It's an 04 w/33K on it. Just got it a few months ago after selling my 98 TJ. There were several engine and a few interior upgrades from the introduction of the TJ in 97. Most significatn upgrades started around 02 if I'm not mistaken. But don't ask me to list them. However, there was a really good thread on here a week or so ago that discussed all the changes and differences in the TJ's. My 98 was the one I had 1/2 doors on. Like I said before, 1/2 doors are cool and I like them fine, but sort of one-dimentional IMO. Like the full doors with option to remove them and still get the feel of the 1/2 doors. I only have some measley 31/10.50 BFG's on there. Going with some 32 or 33's pretty soon.
08-15-2007 01:02 AM
WSU Tony Full doors it is. Makes sense to have glass windows with a hard top.

What year is your red jeep? Thats exactly what I'm looking for **Drool**

What size tires do you have on it?
08-15-2007 01:00 AM
Levinoss
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Originally Posted by nregas1 View Post
I've had both and IMO, I prefer the full steel doors for long commutes as my DD. Then on the weekend, just pull them off completely and drop the top.
Have to agree, I like my half doors for when Im riding with my top down and having a good time, full doors when im out doing my business.

Or no doors at all, I just dont like driving without my mirrors. =(

~Lev
08-15-2007 12:55 AM
nregas1 Dang Lev, you're greased lightning on this board.
08-15-2007 12:54 AM
nregas1
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Originally Posted by WSU Tony View Post
How can you tell if its half or full doors? I take it your jeep nregas has full doors? How does the hard top hook up w/ the half doors?

Thanks
The 2nd TJ you listed has 1/2 doors. Meaning: 1/2 steel on bottom and the uppers are soft, like the soft top - plastic zipper windows. You can see on my TJ, and the 1st link you listed, has the full steel doors - roll down windows.

The only way I've seen to use a HT with 1/2 doors is to buy a set of fiberglass uppers that have glass sliders. They're around $700-$800. Any jeep you find with 1/2 doors will have a ST. But the opposite isn't true. You'll find plenty of ST's with full steel doors. I've had both and IMO, I prefer the full steel doors for long commutes as my DD. Then on the weekend, just pull them off completely and drop the top.
08-15-2007 12:51 AM
Levinoss Half Doors


Full doors


Thats my puddles btw ^_^

~Lev
08-15-2007 12:41 AM
WSU Tony How can you tell if its half or full doors? I take it your jeep nregas has full doors? How does the hard top hook up w/ the half doors?

Thanks
08-15-2007 12:36 AM
nregas1
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Originally Posted by WSU Tony View Post
civilized as in the occasional date. Cant have her a sweaty mess because I have no AC!

I have a question about the hard top. I hate things that are shakey or loose. If a cup is shaking in the car, it drives me crazy. I think I'll be the hard top or no top. If its going to rain outside, do I have to run out and get the hard top up? Will the rain hurt the interior electronics or anything?
Removing/Replacing the HT is not a one man job. Barely a 2 man job just b/c it's so awkward and you have to be in 2 places at once. However, I picked up an electric hoist for the garage from craigslist for $80 and can have the top off in less than 5 mins. That's about how long it takes to get the windows out and soft top down. I'm the same way about rattles in a vehicle, but it's just different in a Jeep...mainly b/c any rattles are drowned out by all the other noise - lol.

I'm with Lev. The black 98 looks nice. Has both tops too! The miles are a tad high on the 2nd one and doesn't appear to be as well taken care of based on pics. Also, if you don't like bothersome rattles and noise, you'll hate the half doors (they're nice to have with top off and wheelin, but for a DD it's a diff story) IMHO.
08-15-2007 12:32 AM
WSU Tony http ://www. carsoup.com/used/detail.asp?usedVehicleID=4238861&minYear=1997&maxY ear=2008&searchID=88886400&vehicleTypeID=1&UVViewI D=4&Page=1&DealerGroupID=


http ://www. carsoup.com/used/detail.asp?usedVehicleID=4238861&minYear=1997&maxY ear=2008&searchID=88886400&vehicleTypeID=1&UVViewI D=4&Page=1&DealerGroupID=
08-15-2007 12:25 AM
Levinoss I think the first one looks great, I would get under it and look around abit. Mines a 98 sport aswell and im in love with it.

I dont really like the second one as it has some good miles on it, also has a good bit of rust it looks like.

The last two links dident work =/

~Lev
08-15-2007 12:20 AM
WSU Tony What do you guys think of this?
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/car/383425956.html
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/car/375267674.html
http://www.carsoup.com/used/detail.a...DealerGroupID=
http://www.carsoup.com/used/detail.a...DealerGroupID=

These are the types I'm looking into. Thanks again guys, I'm happy to take any criticism or thoughts.
08-15-2007 12:05 AM
Levinoss
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Originally Posted by WSU Tony View Post
civilized as in the occasional date. Cant have her a sweaty mess because I have no AC!

I have a question about the hard top. I hate things that are shakey or loose. If a cup is shaking in the car, it drives me crazy. I think I'll be the hard top or no top. If its going to rain outside, do I have to run out and get the hard top up? Will the rain hurt the interior electronics or anything?
Without a top and a good rain your going to have some messed up electronics.

Iv personally never used a hardtop and love my soft top. Quick to take it off and quick to put it back up.

Maybe someone else can back me up on this, but I hear the hard tops can be a pain to put on because of the weight?

Get a AC for sure, the ladies will appreciate it.

~Lev
08-15-2007 12:04 AM
nregas1 Good call on getting your Jeep now. Then it can go from your DD to your toy in a few years. My suggestion, if you want a hard top, stick to your guns and don't settle. It's a big upgrade in the longrun. Much easier to have a HT and buy a softie or safari later. Also, take your time. There are a ton of TJ's out there. Lot's have been well cared for, and others have been ragged. The I6 will take a beating as long as it's properly maintained. Like hutchman said, I'd look for one with a Dana 44 rear and like Dare said, definitely have it checked over thoroughly. Good luck.
08-14-2007 11:57 PM
WSU Tony civilized as in the occasional date. Cant have her a sweaty mess because I have no AC!

I have a question about the hard top. I hate things that are shakey or loose. If a cup is shaking in the car, it drives me crazy. I think I'll be the hard top or no top. If its going to rain outside, do I have to run out and get the hard top up? Will the rain hurt the interior electronics or anything?
08-14-2007 11:50 PM
Levinoss Hard top or a Sailcloth/pollycotton blend top and you will hardly notice road noise in my opinion.

There are real mixed opinions on the new JK's. They are not my flavor, the 2dr unlimited is about as far as I would go. Iv always felt the more electronics you have the more that can go wrong. *shrug*

The extra room in the unlimited/4dr JK will be nice for those who want that extra room. Personally if I cant fit what I want in the jeep then I dont need it. =P

They are jeeps and thats all that matters tho. The TJ from what I understand was not quickly accepted either.

More civilized? What do you mean? I actually enjoy riding my jeep topless on the highway people always give me the weirdest looks.

~Lev
08-14-2007 11:45 PM
WSU Tony Thanks guys for all the nice responses. Its pretty funny reading reviews on jeeps, the only bad things they can say is its a loud ride (ummmm its a jeep) and gas mileage. Why do they judge these vehicles on what their not supposed to be? Get back into your cadillac and rate those!


also- what do you guys think of the new jeeps? 4 doors? power everything? The new ones seem like another average suv. Please by all means correct me if i'm wrong!

Any features make this jeep better for road use? Thats what I'll be using it for 90% of the time the 5 mile trips in Winona. Other than AC and the inline 6, what helps the car become a little more civilized? (just a little bit!)
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