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08-25-2007 02:12 PM
steveshra
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Originally Posted by Gary1129 View Post
Thats a great outcome man.........I guess I lost that 20 ........Im very happy it turned out to be a minor deal...now weld up that frame and get dirty wid it .......g
You can wire the $20 to the "Steve's future Jeep problems fund" I'm sure I will need it eventually

On another note, does anyone have any tips on making the engine run cooler? I know that it may be because it is about 95 degrees out today, but she is running hot enough to spit coolant out the emergency pressure hose. I'm done driving her for today, but I had taken her for a 10-15 minute ride at speeds up to 55 mph and she got pretty hot. The last owner had hardwired some electric fans to the radiator to help cool it but we (me and the previous owner) replaced those 2 with a motor mount flex fan for simplicity.

Any ideas anyone?

Thanks!
08-25-2007 11:05 AM
Gary1129 Thats a great outcome man.........I guess I lost that 20 ........Im very happy it turned out to be a minor deal...now weld up that frame and get dirty wid it .......g
08-24-2007 08:07 PM
steveshra No more squealing!!!!

Thanks guys for all of the advice, but it actually ended up being somethings quite different. The problem was a loose alternator belt. I guess that it was only squealing when in gear because that was the only time that there was enough load on the engine to cause extra strain. I was able to discover this because when I left the jeep in neutral and rev'd it real high the squeal came back. I just pulled the alternator out a little bit and tightened it and there was no squealing all the way up to 60 mph!

Now I just need to take care of the frame crack and figure out why the brake lights aren't working and she'll be good to go... at least for now.


Thanks again guys!
08-24-2007 10:58 AM
debruins thats i didnt mean to sound like youd ruined your jeep, just if you get if its bare metal and you get it wet and let it sit for a day you could get some rust there, and thats not fun to weld, if you grinded it all off thats fine b/c it would have just been surface rust, but i know its hard to get a grinder in on the frame from underneath.
08-24-2007 10:33 AM
intrnlstorm Here is a picture for a '77, It should be the same and located on the Brake pedal assembly.

http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~rees...lampswitch.JPG

Good luck.

Joel
08-24-2007 08:53 AM
steveshra Does anyone know where the mechanism is that makes the brake lights turn on when you push the brake pedal? I got the headlights and all the turn signal lights (both front and back) to work, but the brake lights aren't working. Where is it that the brakes make the lights work? Is there a fuse to check as well?

Thanks!
08-23-2007 12:10 PM
intrnlstorm Ok cool... good luck in getting it all worked out.

Joel
08-23-2007 11:14 AM
steveshra
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Originally Posted by intrnlstorm View Post
What debruins is saying is that when you have rusty metal and try to weld to, or on it, it splatters and eats through the metal. If the rust is bad, then the new welds will eat through the rust.

It can be done but it's a pain if the rust is bad.



As for "cleaning it" he is talking about grinding off the rust and "cleaning" the metal.

I like the Jeep though, a little work and get rid of the body lift and it would be great.

Joel
I knew that cleaning it meant grinding the metal to get rid of the rust, but I thought that it would be best to get the mud off first. Before I can clean it by grinding off the rust I'm going to need to have someone cut off the welded on plate. This is stuff that I'll have to work out with the guy I bought it from that has offered to help fix it.
08-23-2007 10:04 AM
intrnlstorm
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Originally Posted by debruins View Post
a hose!!!!

ahhh nooo you cant weld something that rusts it s sBICTH
What debruins is saying is that when you have rusty metal and try to weld to, or on it, it splatters and eats through the metal. If the rust is bad, then the new welds will eat through the rust.

It can be done but it's a pain if the rust is bad.

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Originally Posted by steveshra View Post
I got her running now...

So, spent tonight with a hose on the undercarriage in the dark and I'll check tomorrow to see what "cleaning up" I have left.
As for "cleaning it" he is talking about grinding off the rust and "cleaning" the metal.

I like the Jeep though, a little work and get rid of the body lift and it would be great.

Joel
08-22-2007 09:20 PM
steveshra
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Originally Posted by debruins View Post
a hose!!!!

ahhh nooo you cant weld something that rusts it s sBICTH

what?
08-22-2007 09:05 PM
debruins a hose!!!!

ahhh nooo you cant weld something that rusts it s sBICTH
08-22-2007 08:26 PM
steveshra I got her running now...

Also, I talked to the guy that I bought it from and he is willing to weld the frame for me if it is repairable and if I can get it clean enough first. So, spent tonight with a hose on the undercarriage in the dark and I'll check tomorrow to see what "cleaning up" I have left.
08-22-2007 06:57 PM
steveshra Now to top it all off I can't get it to start today...
08-21-2007 09:56 PM
debruins i would just run a few beads over either side and fill it, i just wouldnt want it to move at all, idk probably unneeded if you are going to put the l over

and btw you should drill a hole at the end of the crack, this will prevent it from cracking any further

and idk why it wuold, and it may not be it
but i think we can rule out the bearing if it stops when you knock it into neutral, it has nothing to do with the clutch!
08-21-2007 09:13 PM
Gary1129 I dont know how that would cause a squeal either???.......but I dont know everything and am willing ta learn .......I still got twenty on the throwout bearing
08-21-2007 08:36 PM
steveshra
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Originally Posted by debruins View Post
sounds liek that ur problem then

i would fill it

and then make an l sahped peice and cover it an go about 6in past it on either side
What do you fill it with? We would have to cut off the plate first as it was welded on, then probably sand it down, fill it with ???, spray with rustoleum, weld an L support over it and then replace and reweld the plate. As always, this is my guess and any suggestions are appreciated!!!

Any ideas how the crack coudl cause a squeal? It sounds like a spinning squeal... if that makes sense
08-21-2007 08:19 PM
debruins sounds liek that ur problem then

i would fill it

and then make an l sahped peice and cover it an go about 6in past it on either side
08-21-2007 08:10 PM
steveshra
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Originally Posted by steveshra View Post
Thanks for the input everyone... from the comments I've received so far here is what I am planning to do tonight/tomorrow:


1. Get under the jeep and check out the frame from front to back for any cracks or other problems.
2. Look over the path from the clutch pedal to the transmission and look for any obvious issues
3. Look for any places that the body may rub a moving part.
4. If none of these identify the problem I will try putting it into neutral while moving without using the clutch to identify whether it is the clutch or the disengaging of the transmission that stops the squeal.
5. After all this I will post my findings here to get some more advice. I have a few friends ready to help if I need to drop the transmission or anything.
1. I checked the frame and I found a crack... it is about 6 inches long on the inside of the frame on the drivers side near what I think is a skid plate to protect the transmission and/or transfer case. The plate is a large metal piece that connects one side of the frame to the other and is maybe 18 inches wide. Is this a serious problem? Does it need to be fixed? Is it a fixable problem? If so, what will it take to fix it? Could we just weld over/fill the crack to reinforce it or weld an L-shaped support over it? I'm not sure if this is likely to be the cause of the squealing... maybe from vibrations in the transmission?

Sorry for all the questions, I'm just a bit worried. I had checked the frame pretty well before buying it, but unfortunately I didn't look on the top inside center.

The pictures show the crack, but the frame isn't as rusty as it looks in the pic. There definitely is some rust but it has mud caked on it that makes it the frame look worse than it is.

http://s231.photobucket.com/albums/ee117/steveshra/

2. Didn't notice any problems from clutch pedal to transmission
3. Didn't notice any body rubbing
4. Putting it into neutral while in gear moving without the clutch made the noise stop as well.
5. See above
08-20-2007 12:44 PM
debruins sounds good!

and i dont think you have to drop the tranny to get to the throwout bearing, but idk, b/c ive never had to do it
08-20-2007 09:02 AM
steveshra Thanks for the input everyone... from the comments I've received so far here is what I am planning to do tonight/tomorrow:


1. Get under the jeep and check out the frame from front to back for any cracks or other problems.
2. Look over the path from the clutch pedal to the transmission and look for any obvious issues
3. Look for any places that the body may rub a moving part.
4. If none of these identify the problem I will try putting it into neutral while moving without using the clutch to identify whether it is the clutch or the disengaging of the transmission that stops the squeal.
5. After all this I will post my findings here to get some more advice. I have a few friends ready to help if I need to drop the transmission or anything.
08-20-2007 08:38 AM
Gary1129 The exact symtom of a throwout bearing is that it squeals when the clutch is released and is quiet when the clutch depressed

From your description and not hearing the sound Id put 20 bucks on the throwout bearing.......g
08-19-2007 10:23 PM
debruins ok he is smart guy i believ what he says, but it doesnt make sense to me, i would look up and down the whole fram thouroughly for a crack anyways, b/c even if it isnt the culprit for the squeak its good to tknow about and fix!
08-19-2007 10:19 PM
debruins well i would look for a mount right near the tranny or the clutch and if there i sone there that that is prop what it is, if not then it is probably something else, i dont understand how a crack in the frame would make a squeak, but depending on who said it to you i would believe it, ill try to find ur thread if not, who said it?
08-19-2007 10:07 PM
steveshra
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Originally Posted by debruins View Post
what about if you are moving and you knock it into neutral does it make the same sound without the clutch in, thi swill test if the soud stops b/c of the clutch or b/c of the tranny being diengaged,

but BE CAREFUL
I haven't tried that, but I will try it sometime soon. I heard from a guy on earlycj5.com that said that it mostly likely isn't a throwout bearing because the throwout bearing should not be turning when the clutch pedal is out all the way. He suggests that I check for a crack in the frame in or around the clutch linkage area of the frame; as well as the trans/t-case mounting bolts on the skid/crossmember. I am planning on looking into this, but I need to figure out how to located the clutch linkage area. Any idea why a crack in the frame would cause the squeal? I am interested in why the problems are happening almost as much as I am in fixing them....

He also suggested that the fiberglass body may be rubbing somewhere while I am moving, but I don't quite understand how that could be the case unless it were rubbing somewhere near the clutch or transmission.

As always, any input is greatly appreciated!!

Thanks guys!
08-19-2007 09:33 PM
debruins what about if you are moving and you knock it into neutral does it make the same sound without the clutch in, thi swill test if the soud stops b/c of the clutch or b/c of the tranny being diengaged,

but BE CAREFUL
08-19-2007 08:17 PM
steveshra
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Originally Posted by Gary1129 View Post
Throwout bearing
What is a throwout bearing? Is that something that can be fixed easily?

Thanks!
08-19-2007 04:52 PM
steveshra
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Originally Posted by MadPatter View Post
does it go away when you apply the brakes too? Mine sqeuals and when i push the brakes al the way in it stops
I don't think that it goes away with the brake. The last time I drove it I only took it up the driveway to the garage and it didn't squeal at all, but I was going slow, so I don't know...
08-19-2007 04:51 PM
Gary1129
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Originally Posted by steveshra View Post
I only hear it when I am moving and it stops when the clutch is in. I'm concerned it might be a tranny problem, but obviously I can't look for the source of the noise while I am moving. Any ideas?
Throwout bearing
08-19-2007 11:48 AM
MadPatter does it go away when you apply the brakes too? Mine sqeuals and when i push the brakes al the way in it stops
08-19-2007 10:51 AM
steveshra
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Originally Posted by debruins View Post
well a littel trouble in and out of 4wd is kinda right, first i learned its easier to put the jeep in neutral while you do it, not jus tthe clutch in idk if its just me, and if it doesnt go in then move ahead like 3 feet and try again, the gears may just not me meshing, what do you mean hooked up to the battery, lik eit is on all the time and drains the battery? if it doesnt drain the battery it is better than the engine fan actually




you may need some new pulleys or a new belt to eliminate the squealing, but it is only if it annoys you

sure if you think you can replace the other stuff and realize that the jeep sgonna need some attention then go for it
Ok, well I got the jeep and the squealing does annoy me a little bit, mostly because I can't figure out where it is coming from. I only hear it when I am moving and it stops when the clutch is in. I'm concerned it might be a tranny problem, but obviously I can't look for the source of the noise while I am moving. Any ideas?
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