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10-06-2011 08:30 AM
SirGeorgeKillian Starting at 125, Rusty's will build you anything you want. Any tube, any joints.
10-06-2011 07:59 AM
bones23 Just had the Crown unit installed! Wow, that thing is stout!
10-06-2011 06:44 AM
MikalCarbine I'm just going to buy mine off rockauto for cheap
10-05-2011 08:22 AM
That99SaharaGuy Hey so hows about I revive a zombie thread? I've been thinking about upgrading my tie rod recently. Would it be advisable to just go to a scrap yard, find an undamaged ZJ tie rod, and just get it directly off there, ends and all?
05-08-2011 11:45 AM
530ktm
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Originally Posted by UnlimitedLJ04 View Post
is it really an upgrade if you're still using the stock ends?

I don't think so.

IMHO, go with a ZJ V8 tie-rod or Currie steering.
This what I am talking about.

Description: The Currie Currectlync® heavy duty tie rod and drag link system for TJ, LJ, XJ, and MJ vehicles features, a 1 ¼" diameter forged alloy drag link, and 1 ¼" solid alloy steel tie rod bar that is bored and threaded on the ends. All 7/8" thread tie rod ends with boots are included as well as the Currie heavy duty steering stabilizer bracket. This unit is a direct replacement for the stock parts. No modifications or machining to any part of the vehicle is necessary (on vehicles with no lift, 2 of the tie rod ends must be trimmed to achieve proper adjustment). This unit is rated at 200% stronger than the stock components.
05-08-2011 10:49 AM
Arch Stanton Amazon is the best deal I have found on the Moog steering parts. I think that your right about the drag link. I wonder if the drag link will become the weak link (no pun intended) once the heavy-tie rod is installed. I'm going to replace the tie rod, tie-rod end, drag link, and connecting sleeves. Doesn't the drag link function as a tie-rod end on the passenger side? I also want to replace the track bar as well, but I'm undecided about which track bar to go with as I still might lift the Jeep. Good luck with your install! I'd appreciate a post on the install. Have a good one!


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Originally Posted by SilverTJMike View Post
I only quoted amazon for price, i actually paid too much over at napa for the napa part numbers but i was doing the jeep build on the weekend and didn't have time to wait for super saver shipping.

My understanding from stu's site was the drag link was the same as the tj, it was just the tie rod that was bigger.
05-08-2011 12:13 AM
SilverTJMike I only quoted amazon for price, i actually paid too much over at napa for the napa part numbers but i was doing the jeep build on the weekend and didn't have time to wait for super saver shipping.

My understanding from stu's site was the drag link was the same as the tj, it was just the tie rod that was bigger.
05-07-2011 12:48 PM
Arch Stanton Thanks! With you I don't need to use my ready glasses!


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Originally Posted by UnlimitedLJ04 View Post
Did you not read what you just quoted? The taper in the knuckle can't change, otherwise the TRE wouldn't fit...or you'd have to modify the knuckle in some way.
05-07-2011 12:22 PM
UnlimitedLJ04
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Originally Posted by Arch Stanton View Post
Are the tie rod ends bigger as well or just the tie rod? What about the drag link? Thank you.
Did you not read what you just quoted? The taper in the knuckle can't change, otherwise the TRE wouldn't fit...or you'd have to modify the knuckle in some way.
05-07-2011 11:55 AM
Arch Stanton Are the tie rod ends bigger as well or just the tie rod? What about the drag link? Thank you.

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Originally Posted by UnlimitedLJ04 View Post
For the tie-rod only, I've found $60-70 at local auto parts store...you need to shop around & price match where necessary...or use RockAuto.com.

ZJ Tie Rod Conversion

Stock vs. v8 ZJ


V8 ZJ end is about 35% bigger...

If you add a new stock drag link in, the price will be higher obviously...the Crown HD system is just a stock XJ/ZJ/TJ drag link with a V8 ZJ tie-rod...and the price isn't bad for all you get in one package.
05-07-2011 11:05 AM
KBR97 Rock Krawler Suspension, Inc.



05-07-2011 10:43 AM
UnlimitedLJ04
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Originally Posted by Arch Stanton View Post
Which set up has heavy duty tie rod ends? Is there a Moog ZJ set up with heavy duty ends? Last time I checked Amazon, the parts, including the drag link, were about $260. I believe that includes the connecting sleeves as well. Moog parts have a lifetime warranty, but you have to return the parts at the retail store. I called Moog and they didn't have Amazon listed as a vendor. I called Amazon and they stated that they would honor the warranty, but it would be a hassle to send the part in and wait for the replacement part; however, it might be worth the savings of around $100. O'reilly's won't match Amazon's prices, and they and Napa are the only ones who sell Moog in my area. What about the Crown HD Steering Kit? The only negatives I've read are the cheap nuts and bolts and dust boots. According to Crown, the kit is either made in the U.S.A., Israel, or Taiwan.
For the tie-rod only, I've found $60-70 at local auto parts store...you need to shop around & price match where necessary...or use RockAuto.com.

ZJ Tie Rod Conversion

Stock vs. v8 ZJ


V8 ZJ end is about 35% bigger...

If you add a new stock drag link in, the price will be higher obviously...the Crown HD system is just a stock XJ/ZJ/TJ drag link with a V8 ZJ tie-rod...and the price isn't bad for all you get in one package.
05-07-2011 09:38 AM
Arch Stanton Which set up has heavy duty tie rod ends? Is there a Moog ZJ set up with heavy duty ends? Last time I checked Amazon, the parts, including the drag link, were about $260. I believe that includes the connecting sleeves as well. Moog parts have a lifetime warranty, but you have to return the parts at the retail store. I called Moog and they didn't have Amazon listed as a vendor. I called Amazon and they stated that they would honor the warranty, but it would be a hassle to send the part in and wait for the replacement part; however, it might be worth the savings of around $100. O'reilly's won't match Amazon's prices, and they and Napa are the only ones who sell Moog in my area. What about the Crown HD Steering Kit? The only negatives I've read are the cheap nuts and bolts and dust boots. According to Crown, the kit is either made in the U.S.A., Israel, or Taiwan.
05-07-2011 09:02 AM
jeepjones I've had the Currie system installed on my jeep for 3 years now, no problems as of yet. It is not the cheapest system thats for sure but like all things Currie/Rockjock the quality is hard to beat.
05-07-2011 08:51 AM
bink98xcab autozone was like 113 $ and oreillys was like 117 $, that is with a lifetime warranty and using the warranty would be easier if you just bought locally
05-06-2011 10:28 PM
SilverTJMike Cheapest I found the zj moog parts is 110 on amazon with free shipping, still a good deal as you can spare with your old one.
05-06-2011 09:51 PM
bink98xcab and lets just say, as ibuildembig has stated, a tube of equal weight of the same material will be stronger hollow, but sacrafices on being larger, where as a solid bar of equal diameter will be stronger
05-06-2011 09:49 PM
bink98xcab
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Originally Posted by KBR97 View Post
In case I decide to go with the ZJ, what years am I looking at?
i think 95-98 v8's , and alot of guys that do this mod also use a curry drag link to compliment the sturdy zj tie rod. with the otk adapter you get nearly a perfect end on the zj tie rod, since you are mounting it 180degrees(passenger side on drivers etc.) from how it comes on the zj.
05-06-2011 12:56 PM
Ibuildembig All things cannot be equal.

The diameter can, but if the weight was equal the tube would be have to be larger. How much you say? Whatever the weight differential is.
05-06-2011 12:49 PM
KBR97 In case I decide to go with the ZJ, what years am I looking at?
05-06-2011 12:41 PM
UnlimitedLJ04
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Originally Posted by Ibuildembig View Post
if they weigh the same, the tube is stronger because in order for the tube to weigh the same it will have to be larger diameter.
But earlier you said tube is always stronger? Now you're saying its stronger if you increase the diameter. By how much?

Thank you for proving my point...solid is stronger than tube - always - all other things being equal.

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Originally Posted by Ibuildembig View Post
And physics aside, I have seen WAY more solid tierods bend than DOM ones....could be the junk material they are cast from I dunno.
DOM is stronger due to manufacturering processes, even if it is the same steel used in a solid rod of the same diameter. At that point, it's basically a different material, and the solid isn't the same as the tube.

Btw, I've had really good luck with my solid ZJ V8 tie-rod. And I know several others have had good luck with theirs, up to 35" tires, with some pretty serious wheeling. My point being, I wouldn't prefer a Rusty's tie-rod with stock ends over a V8 ZJ tie-rod with 22mm ends. And the V8 ZJ tie-rod runs about $60-70 from the local parts store.
05-06-2011 12:27 PM
Ibuildembig if they weigh the same, the tube is stronger because in order for the tube to weigh the same it will have to be larger diameter.

And physics aside, I have seen WAY more solid tierods bend than DOM ones....could be the junk material they are cast from I dunno.
05-06-2011 12:14 PM
UnlimitedLJ04
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Originally Posted by Ibuildembig View Post
Solid is NOT always stronger....the ONLY way a solid is stronger is if said rod in both cases is made of the same material and same diameter. But, if the hollow rod is made of the same material and weighs the same, it is stronger. There's your college physics for ya bud
What is this magical material you speak of that weighs exactly the same whether its a tube of diameter X or a solid rod of diameter X, both of length Y?

Like I said solid is always stronger, all things being equal. You said tube is stronger, which is completely wrong.
05-06-2011 11:54 AM
Ibuildembig Solid is NOT always stronger....the ONLY way a solid is stronger is if said rod in both cases is made of the same material and same diameter. But, if the hollow rod is made of the same material and weighs the same, it is stronger. There's your college physics for ya bud
05-06-2011 10:49 AM
UnlimitedLJ04
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Originally Posted by KBR97 View Post
The Rustys doesn't use stock ends. That why it seems like a good deal. I would post a pic but Im using my phone.
on their website they list:
MOOG part # ES3095R
MOOG part # ES3094L

Those are the stock tie-rod end PN's.
MOOG-ES3094L Outer Tie Rod End - Driver Side - 4.0L Made By MOOG
Looks at the pictures, the TRE's are stock.

Which is why I asked - if it uses the stock tie-rod ends, with just a beefy bar in between them, is it really an upgrade?

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Originally Posted by Ibuildembig View Post
A solid rod is weaker than a tube...
This is a very misleading statement because its flat wrong. All other things being equal, solid is stronger than tube. As wall thickness of a tube increases, the strength increases...until you reach a solid rod. The benefit of tube over solid is weight. As you approach the center of the cross section of a rod (a circle), the stress the material takes approaches zero at center. This is why eliminating the center section of a solid rod, and making it a tube does not greatly affect its strength, but greatly reduces the weight. But solid is always stronger, all other things being equal. Thats high school physics, nothing fancy.
05-06-2011 08:59 AM
Ibuildembig Yes you will need a bung like that....I would do that and drill a straight through hole in the knuckle and use a heim.
05-05-2011 10:37 PM
outofmoney rustys tie rod conversion is good stuff.it changes the stock y type steering set up to one pivot point.I think it uses stock tie rod ends for easy replacement.beefy tube for the price!
05-05-2011 09:48 PM
KBR97
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Originally Posted by Ibuildembig View Post
What I would do is get a stick of 1.5x.25 wall DOM and make my own for about 60 bucks.
I have contemplated this as well.

I'll assume I need 2 of these..along with rod ends
Poly Performance JEEP/TRUCK & BUGGY*::*Rod End Hardware*::*Synergy Suspension Threaded Weld-In Tube Adapter - 4X4 Off-Road Parts, JK Synergy Suspension Systems, Fox Racing Shox, Beard, CNC Brakes, Johnny Joints®, Currie Enterprises, Edelbrock, Pit Bu
05-05-2011 09:36 PM
jwm1986
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Originally Posted by Ibuildembig View Post
A solid rod is weaker than a tube...remember the old days when the body builders would bend steel rods around their neck? They were 1/2 solid and bend easy. What I would do is get a stick of 1.5x.25 wall DOM and make my own for about 60 bucks.
The rods they bend are just mild steel also, not heat treated hardened steel. The point of the ZJ upgrade is just that it is cheap and easy bolt on - and you have to agree, it is still way stronger then the stock TJ tie rod that you can grab and bow with ease.
05-05-2011 09:16 PM
Ibuildembig A solid rod is weaker than a tube...remember the old days when the body builders would bend steel rods around their neck? They were 1/2 solid and bend easy. What I would do is get a stick of 1.5x.25 wall DOM and make my own for about 60 bucks.
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