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06-22-2005 05:28 PM
Ed in North Ga.
Quote:
Originally Posted by khenderson
I am perceiving that your perception of us is that we are NOT better than the existing forums. is my perception correct????? i think i'm hurt!!
your preception is incorrect-when taken in whole -

all forums are good, some are better than others by way of content and members- this one is just starting, and is good. Its well laid out, its informative and easy to navigate...everything a forum junki needs...except members. To have members who desire to visit the forum everyday, you need massive content that is informative, a readily available membership that can answer questions quickly, and color!

what you have is a massive catch 22 situation here-- you need more members to ask questions and more members to answer them before you can have new members who see that there IS a base of knowhow available, so they can join, to get answers and ask more questions....

your forum in its starting is well put out-its just a matter of time.
no "one" forum can be better than another- its the membership that makes it what it truely is.

IE: there was a 4x4 forum a few years back (URL pulled, error404) that had flash animation, strobe light effects, enough javascript to make it look like a high quality hollywood film production....and four members. No matter how hard they tried, they couldnt keep the new blood flowing into the forum-- it was top rate, flashy, and had everything you could hope for...except members. More people were intrested in the design of the site, than in the content-few members/no new content....it would have been a simple matter of bribery to get more people online and inside... BUT, there already was a forum that covered what they were trying to do...a few jumped ship...a few more visited...but without content and members asking questions, it folded.
06-22-2005 10:44 AM
khenderson
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed in North Ga.
the problem with starting a new forum- is that it has to be *better* than an existing forum already available.
I am perceiving that your perception of us is that we are NOT better than the existing forums. is my perception correct????? i think i'm hurt!!
06-22-2005 05:28 AM
Ed in North Ga.
Quote:
Originally Posted by khenderson
you know how we all love our pics!!!!



J/K!!!

ya'll need to be referring people to our lovely board here so we can have people that will post all those tech questions....good and bad. thankyouverymuch!!
sorry- there were no cameras present-- and if there was, the bear would have just ate it as a snack.

as you probably already know, the problem with starting a new forum- is that it has to be *better* than an existing forum already available.
I think whats on the horizon, is a metaforum-though no one i know of has attempted it yet.

think google`s engine, tied to every jeep forum, with a single sign in code.
one main page, all the sub catagories which would be mixture of all the forums within a set page....
Offroad.com has something like it...but not nearly as big as it could be...and its their pages, not a mix.
06-21-2005 09:55 PM
khenderson
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed in North Ga.
I could tell the story about the blackbear when my wife and I were in the back of the MJ one night....naaaa, I`ll save that one.

you know how we all love our pics!!!!



J/K!!!

ya'll need to be referring people to our lovely board here so we can have people that will post all those tech questions....good and bad. thankyouverymuch!!
06-21-2005 08:46 PM
Ed in North Ga.
Quote:
Originally Posted by khenderson
is it bad that i read the threads where Ed has posted something before any tech related threads just because his posts are usually so entertaining?
No- its bad that there arent enough tech related posts, so you have to read my rambleings instead.

give it time...people will come. With people come tech problems- mucho posts!
but someone else is going to have to explain the "correct way to remove a lug nut with a right handed wrench" type posts(another story for another time).

It HAS been a slow night- Ive hit all 8 of my forums 4 times...no ones posted up any quality questions, and the other guys are snapping them up with answers first try. EBAYS parts cars are stale, no new junk in the jeep sections, autotrader hasent got any new used jeeps listed in my area...frig, i`m gonna turn in earlyish tonight.



I could tell the story about the blackbear when my wife and I were in the back of the MJ one night....naaaa, I`ll save that one.
06-21-2005 07:57 PM
khenderson is it bad that i read the threads where Ed has posted something before any tech related threads just because his posts are usually so entertaining?
06-21-2005 06:17 PM
Ed in North Ga.
Quote:
Originally Posted by amerijeep
I never have been one to argue myself. Makes my wife even more angry when i just agree with her.

"You're right, Baby. I am an a**h**e". Heh, she really hates that.
when I turned 14, and was going out on my first date (they didnt know I had been going out with girls since I was 10)- pop sat me down out of earshot of mom, and departed his wisdom "memorize this son--- *yes dear*--- it will come in handy all through life"

I laughed-- now, some 24+ years later, i still catch myself looking at the wife saying "yes dear"....at which point she swats the piss out of me!

*someone* told her the story.....
06-21-2005 10:15 AM
amerijeep I never have been one to argue myself. Makes my wife even more angry when i just agree with her.

"You're right, Baby. I am an a**h**e". Heh, she really hates that.
06-21-2005 05:30 AM
Ed in North Ga.
Quote:
Originally Posted by khenderson
did that post actually say anything??!?! good times, good times
only if you preceived it as saying something...the post is in the eye of the beholder(reader).
06-20-2005 09:20 PM
khenderson did that post actually say anything??!?! good times, good times
06-20-2005 08:46 PM
Ed in North Ga. There was an arguement???
no one told me there was an arguement...why wasent I invited to the arguement??? I dont see the arguement...cant smell it.....

I feel left out.
this is the moderators fault! he`s censoring my view! thats gotta be it!

I thought this was gonna be a good forum, but noooooo...now ya`ll are talking arguements, behind MY back...mannn....

*IF* there ever was a precieved arguement, the preceiver was decieved and mistaken in his preception of the precieved arguement that never occured. Should anyone who reads this precieve to see an arguement at a later date-not withstanding nor inclusive of present and past arguement, that never happened, please feel free to join into said arguement for arguements sake- its all in the preception of the preceiver to precieve such, should he preieve correctly. incorrect preception is punishable by repeated sentences like the one before this period. Yes, that period back there. No, not that one, the one before it, not includeing this one.

join in- its all fun.
If it werent, I wouldnt be here.
06-20-2005 06:01 PM
amerijeep I think people assume there was some arguement. Trust me, I have a big grin on my face every time I come to the forum. It's obvious to me that Ed is the same way. Just having fun.
06-20-2005 09:02 AM
whitebuffalo hahaha....well...i dunno if i did...but if i stirred the hornets nest, i apologize. allthesame, y'all have all been giving some good info.

fuel filter has recently been replaced. i havent checked worked anymore on my miss/idle problem. this weekend i put in the new front leafs (one of them was bent from an accident by the previous owner) and put 1" shackles in the rear and replaced all the shocks. lemme say the shocks made a WORLD of differnce. it rides MUCH better. I took it out to a different wheeling spot and gave it the rounds again. did pretty good. i need lockers. and removing the swaybar helped it articulate quite a bit better.

the good news: i think i found a good vacuum tester for the right price (free)
the bad news: i think my power steering pump is experiencing death throws. it screeches like a banshee

i plan on checking the TPS and MAP sensors out this week sometime, time permitting. as always, thanks for everyone's help....
06-20-2005 05:32 AM
Ed in North Ga. master-debator....heheheee...o-thats cruel.

actually, they didnt let me in debate class- you have to debate both sides when in "debate club"- and i never can seem to see both sides. i always have one side and stick with it.

masterdebator...thats priceless.
06-19-2005 09:32 PM
amerijeep
Quote:
Originally Posted by khenderson
glad you guys go that all settled!! i'd hate to have to put you two in time-outs!!!

I wish someone would put me in time-out. I need the break.

We were only debating, that is all. I have high regard for Ed's intelligent, and well spoken opinion. I wish I were the master-debator he is. (joke)

Now then, can you guys believe I haven't driven my Jeep in like three weeks? I have been so busy with work, I haven't had time. It's making me irritable
06-19-2005 09:19 PM
khenderson glad you guys go that all settled!! i'd hate to have to put you two in time-outs!!!
06-19-2005 09:00 PM
amerijeep Thanks, Ed. I enjoy a little debate every now and then. Now back to our regularly scheduled program.
06-19-2005 12:36 PM
Ed in North Ga.
Quote:
Originally Posted by amerijeep
Well, all I can say is is that it is a discussion forum. We don't have to answer anyone we don't want to. If we don't like a topic because we have seen it before we can dodge it. I remember years ago I had a teacher that when you asked a question, would reply look it up. That's not a teacher. I guess I'll do my best to be a teacher.

true- you(I /we/us/them) dont have to answer anything, and you can avoid posts..., but that IS why we come here. Someone needs the info we have (or dont)- but more times than not, even if its been posted before-we can lead "the horse to water"...weather the horse learns or not is his/her/its fault. You cant push his head down into that water and make him drink-he`ll just get pissed and go somewhere else.
For me, its a part learning experience, part shareing info-- if I dont know it, I read it, digest it, verify it, then I know it....I pass it on. Honestly, i think thats what "forums" evolved into in the last 5 years. The original forums, or BBS`s were nothing more than story boards...people would tell a story-and somewhere in that story would mention a question they had...within the answers to the post, someone would give advice-maybe even answer the question....all super informal, but man, it would take you an hour to read through everything.

somewhere down that road, they began question an answer boards, followed by open forums...kinda what we have today.

quicker, easier, faster-- more consise (unlike my typeing which is random and cant seem to stay on topic for the life of me )

anyway- point taken. been there done that. lets keep the forum good.
06-19-2005 11:57 AM
amerijeep Oh yeah. I was just trying to be polite when I said I disagreed to a point. We can still be friends though.
06-19-2005 11:49 AM
amerijeep Well, all I can say is is that it is a discussion forum. We don't have to answer anyone we don't want to. If we don't like a topic because we have seen it before we can dodge it. I remember years ago I had a teacher that when you asked a question, would reply look it up. That's not a teacher. I guess I'll do my best to be a teacher.
06-18-2005 10:44 PM
Ed in North Ga. I like how you say "to a point".
I myself will go out of my way to help someone- ask around, my name is the same on many forums.

What gets me is the person who buys a jeep, and dosent bother to open the owners manual to find an answer that they already have-- someone who would rather have the answer handed to them, than to put forth any real effort to find out for themselves.

Some of the other forums I visit are starting to show signs of these types of "people"....one forum I visit has 10 posts with the header " leaking oil/oil pumps/rear main seal" in some such way. Each post has between 5 and +30 replies on how to do a rear main seal, why you should do an oil pump at the same time, how to do the oil filter o-rings...ect"....without fail, I opened it up today-theres a new post on top, above the old ones."HELP_ASAP!!! how do I do a rear main seal???"-"my rear main seal thingie is leaking all over my exhaust pipe- I need to do a rear main seal- what do I need to do, and should I do an oil pump at the same time??? help!!??"
The head/lead posts following it were listed in view-- each of the 10 posts already had the exact information he needed, showing up on that page- when asked if he had read any of these posts, his reply was simple- "I didnt bother to look". He wanted the info- he needed it ASAP- but didnt put forth ANY effort to find what he needed...and it wasent two clicks away. Is THIS person worthy of telling the information? retypeing whats already there so he can have it "personalized"? Does he think he`s special? no- he`s lazy. After being told where to find the information, he became bitchy and foul mouthed because we (appearently everyone within that forum) didnt want to answer his question-and he left. Information provided, got bitched at, an wasent even thanked.

Now- had he requested further information- the finer points of a rear main seal swapout- the torque settings on the bolts holding the oil pan- the correct diameter of the o-rings to use that really do work and dont cost a fortune....then yes, it would be a post worthy of open discussion to a person who needed the know how....what he had asked had been answered already....multiple times...on the page -within plain view.

following that- had the answers been archived, or paged to the next page, someone could have easily given him the URL-- had it been further hidden, it would have been a simple task of telling him exactly what he needed quickly and get him back safely on the road without driveing a firebomb.

What galled me, and probably every other person who opened that post, was his simple reply- "I didnt bother to look"-- this may strike you as me sounding like I`m all important and have little time to spare on people who are lazy-- its not quite like that-- I have very low tolerance for lazy people, I help every single person I can with information that will help in my time online, and I`m short on computer time- Ive got a window of about 2 hours where I can help who I can every day- inbetween research on things I need to learn to help me understand stuff so I can answer questions that I havent got a clue of answering. I am an information junkie who likes to help. Its all my fault.

so- I`m happy you disagree with me "to a point"- because deep down, I think you know exactly where I stand. And we can agree to disagree, and everyones still happy-even if we all agreed.
06-18-2005 02:23 PM
amerijeep
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed in North Ga.
incorrect- the more info that gets posted, the less people have ask for it...as long as they can look..that seems to be a universal problem in todays world...
Its not the peope who cant look-its the people who can...and just refuse to.
I answered a question yesterday on another forum that required me to type one word into google-the answer was on the first line....when I asked if he had searched, he asked "why? all i need to do is ask-one of you guys will answer "....argh.
I have to say I disagree with you to a point. One thing I really like about this forum is that it hasn't had the "look it up before you ask" mentality. I'm always happy to help someone if I may possibly know something they don't. The purpose of a discussion forum is just that, to discuss. In this case, Jeeps. Besides all that, someone asking a question that has been asked before may just help someone else get on the right track if they have a similar problem, but don't know where to start.
06-18-2005 01:11 PM
Curly5759 Another thing to look at is Fuel Psi or Volume. As Vacuum drops, the map sensor interprets that as high engine load, and tells the computer to add fuel. If you pulled the vac hose off the map and it ran better, I would suggest you check the fuel pressure. Also, when was the last time you changed the fuel filter?
06-16-2005 06:06 PM
Ed in North Ga.
Quote:
Originally Posted by whitebuffalo
beyond the scope of the home mechanic-take to authorized service provider"

LMAO.....yup, thatd be the term. what a scam. email sent, and i will do that MAP test asap. thanks for the info
its actually *good* to have both haynes and chiltons on hand...one`s good reading, the other is a comic. But they both have some info usefull..I just havent found any in haynes yet...I`d check, but its beyond the scope of the home reader...

I guess its better than nothing....at least the covers purty, and it holds down stuff.
06-16-2005 08:40 AM
whitebuffalo beyond the scope of the home mechanic-take to authorized service provider"

LMAO.....yup, thatd be the term. what a scam. email sent, and i will do that MAP test asap. thanks for the info
06-15-2005 06:01 PM
Ed in North Ga.
Quote:
Originally Posted by whitebuffalo
haha. iknow what u mean, hard to keep up what u posted where. unfortunetaly for me, i dont think u posted the MAP test info (i could be wrong, but i looked at ur post history or whatver).

i looked in my chiotons (or haynes, i cant remeber which i have for the jeep) but it was worthless in terms of testing the sensors. it pisses me off, they give u step by step instructions to rebuild ur engine but when it comes to pulling out the ol' impedence meter, it says, take it to a reputable repair shop. ugh. id like to get my hands on a FSM for cheap. anyway, if u could find any of that info, id appreciate it. i hate to keep pumping you for more info, but i do appreciate the help....
incorrect- the more info that gets posted, the less people have ask for it...as long as they can look..that seems to be a universal problem in todays world...
Its not the peope who cant look-its the people who can...and just refuse to.
I answered a question yesterday on another forum that required me to type one word into google-the answer was on the first line....when I asked if he had searched, he asked "why? all i need to do is ask-one of you guys will answer "....argh.

anyways...you probably have the haynes manual-their favorite quote is "beyond the scope of the home mechanic-take to authorized service provider"...go buy a chiltons, and use the haynes for firestarter.
Ive got an online version of a FSM for the electronics-mostly underhood stuff-- email me and I`ll send you a copy--
PDF file- believe its 1.4meg.
87-90 underhood/fuel injection.

MAP test:
Key on-
unplug connector-
test for voltage between C and A- harness side-
voltage should be = 4.5 to 5 volts
reconnect connector-- backprobe terminal B
terminal B should be 4.5 to 5 volts
START ENGINE_>
backproble terminal B again-- voltage should now be 0.5 to 1.5volts.
06-15-2005 03:35 PM
whitebuffalo haha. iknow what u mean, hard to keep up what u posted where. unfortunetaly for me, i dont think u posted the MAP test info (i could be wrong, but i looked at ur post history or whatver).

thanks for the link to ur site, that sounds like my kind of luck with ur cat. hahaha.

i looked in my chiotons (or haynes, i cant remeber which i have for the jeep) but it was worthless in terms of testing the sensors. it pisses me off, they give u step by step instructions to rebuild ur engine but when it comes to pulling out the ol' impedence meter, it says, take it to a reputable repair shop. ugh. id like to get my hands on a FSM for cheap. anyway, if u could find any of that info, id appreciate it. i hate to keep pumping you for more info, but i do appreciate the help....
06-15-2005 05:23 AM
Ed in North Ga. check my old, old website (not the old one, the old, old one) and look under "XJ/MJ info"-page down untill you see "catilitic scandal"--
http://groups.msn.com/RattsNest
its a storage site now...one of my first sites I no longer really maintain, but keep up as a "look what I did" kind of laugh.

look for a post on here from yesterday from me to "junkman" whos working his XJ for MAP test info-/CPS info...believe it was on here...I visit soooo many forums...the brain fog over.

Ive got the equation for the TPS test here somewhere...its a precentage of voltage thingy-I`ll try an dig it up today....but I think you`ll find the catilitic story may fit your reading pleasure.
06-14-2005 08:58 PM
whitebuffalo Ed,
Thanks for all the advice. you're giving me some excellent points to check.

I have replaced the intake/exhaust gasket, so i dont think thats it (although i coulda botched the job i suppose).

For the MAP sensor, does anyone happen to have the voltage it should have or know a way i can check it?

same question for the TPS.

The throttle body was pretty nasty but i cleaned it when i did the gasket/plugs/etc.

I will pickup a vacuum gauge thursday and check that.

i took it out on the "proving grounds" toniight and had a couple interesting revelations:

1. When i stalled out, the 4wd light went out, making me think maybe it is losing vacuum fast (or maybe it just goes out?)

2. At one point, i punched the gas hard, and the 4wd light went out (doesnt vacuum drop as RPMs increase? would this also support the vac theory?

3. It is 100 times more fun wheeling a jeep than a fullsize. i found a couple of super fun technical trails that my truck could never have even dreamed of.

4. I have no catalytic converter. its been repiped (somewhat crappily) all the way back. there is a el-cheapo muffler, but no cat.


As always,thank y'all for all the help. the project IS coming along, just not as fast as i had planned on (isnt that always the case?) : )
06-14-2005 08:08 PM
Ed in North Ga. ""also, i have a slight-mild exhaust leak where the manifold meets the exhaust pipe. i doubt that matters...but just thought id throw that out there, just in case.""

incorrect to a degree-- an exhaust leak makes for less backpressure- it will cause problems at some time, but not really to the extent your talking about-- if the manifold gasket has any leaks in it, then there WOULD be your problem-it does exactly that. A leak at the "Y", which is common on ours, causes a mild to drastic loss of power (and melting of wires close by-clutchline) and a possible source of fire with the usual oil leaks.

If you pulled the map sensor vac line, and it idled good- not high, but the normal 700/1000 rpm, then the MAP is suspect and needs to be checked for correct output voltage-- likewise the TPS needs to be checked for a dead spot with an ohms meter. The older they get, the more likely the TPS will develop a dead spot-- ie: if you ride around for years at 1500rpm, your dead spot will probably be right around that rpm.

I`d do a complete inspect myself-
clean the TB, the IAC, and verify that the TPS is within tolerance with no drastic dead spots- check the map for correct output voltage-- double check for pressure leaks at the manifold wile running-- and get a cheapo vac/pressure guage, which also comes in handy for testing fuel pressure. Run a leakdown test to see how long it holds vacuum after shutdown, and a running test to see if its a steady vac signiture, or its jumping all around the dial. If it holds vac after shutdown for more than 20 seconds or so-there aint no leaks...if it has no vac right after shutdown...its time to start replaceing lines.

backup plan- verify the cat isnt plugged up-that the exhaust isnt kinked, and theres no potatos shoved up the tailpipe.
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