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05-17-2011 12:03 AM
rockhard98 If your do the trail set up, try it with 3batterys and use the ground to hold your rod, this way you get way deeper penetration, that is if the two battery set up don't work
05-15-2011 11:31 AM
billytheyj Yeah no problem! I think I know what article your talking about was it in jp magazine
05-15-2011 11:19 AM
07XMan2Door
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Originally Posted by billytheyj View Post
For a quick trail fix go with 6011 that would be my preference!
Thanks, I'll write that down. I once read a thread about a guy weldeing that way & he told what rod he used & i spaced it out.
Thanks again.
05-15-2011 10:45 AM
billytheyj For a quick trail fix go with 6011 that would be my preference!
05-15-2011 09:56 AM
07XMan2Door
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Originally Posted by kfdjason7620 View Post
Dam man I wish you were close to me in NC, Idk give you all the scrap steel you need, and with enough practice, you can weld very thin stuff with your stick welder, trust me, I been welding forever it seems like, but now i am the fabricator,and don't weld much anymore, for inside the cab stuff, aluminium is best way to go, saves alot of weight, but that's a whole different chapter, need any answers about what rods to use or techniques, give me a buzz
Hey, what the rod number/size that works the best for trail welding. You know, when you hook up two batteries & weld with your jumper cables??
Thanks

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Originally Posted by 99TJCrawler View Post
Thanks for all the posts. I'm gonna tinker tomorrow. I'm pretty excited to weld some junk together in my garage and see if I cant lay a nice weld.
Congrats Bro!! You'll find all kinds of things to do with it. I've used mine for intalling the EVO sleeves & gussets on the front axle. Welded mounts to the frame for sliders. Welded bolts to hold the jack & shovel to front tow hooks.
Do you have a 2x2 receiver hitch??? If so, you could make a bike carrier or a gas can carrier. Here's a link to the one I welded up.
Have fun & show us the stuff you fabricate!!

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f118/di...ier-69297.html
05-15-2011 07:56 AM
billytheyj 7018 has a higher tensile strength (obviously), but you will want good prep work for it... ya know clean metal surface blah blah blah crap the boring stuff I'm too lazy to do sometimes! Around here its 6010 6011 and 6013 that everyone use.... its the ranching welding rod cuz they do so well with out any prep work! Just strike and lay a bead!
05-15-2011 12:08 AM
Bignuke I haven't used 7018 rods before, but I have used 6013, and 6011, which I think 6013 lays a better weld.. I have a lincoln 220 volt AC225 welder. I use about 90 amps most of the time... And kfdjason, I'm close to NC 20 minutes from Charlotte.. lol
05-12-2011 10:44 PM
99TJCrawler Thanks for all the posts. I'm gonna tinker tomorrow. I'm pretty excited to weld some junk together in my garage and see if I cant lay a nice weld.
05-12-2011 09:13 PM
rockhard98 To the original poster, not trying to jack your thread.. least we are still talking a out welders tho get your self a couple different sizes of 6011 or 6010 and start practicing on some scrap, when you buy the rod it will have the amp rating on the box, set your amps at tords the higher end of the spectrum. Then just work on laying bead.. once you can lay a nice bead and ya get the hang of it...then see what ya can find to build
05-12-2011 09:04 PM
kfdjason7620 Yeah I love it, I welded some extra chromoly braces in a 4 second mustang rollcage a few weeks ago!
05-12-2011 08:51 PM
rockhard98 Tig is the nicest weld ya can lay if ya know what your doin... its a time consuming process tho... nice part is you can weld anything!! With Tig its all about the penetration.
05-12-2011 08:38 PM
kfdjason7620 But I'm a better tig welder, or atleast that's my choice, way less messy, and don't get burnt as much!
05-12-2011 08:31 PM
rockhard98 It's probably due to the material, I beleave 7018 leaves a deeper weld, or lays a smoother one any way
05-12-2011 08:14 PM
kfdjason7620 Just the standards in our Fab shop, of course most of our 7018 work is r stamped or xrayed, most of the time pressure pipe, P&G is picky
05-12-2011 07:53 PM
rockhard98
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Originally Posted by kfdjason7620
In our shop we use 6011 for sheet metal (22ga .03) up to (7 ga 3/16) and 7018 for 1/4" and up
6010 and 6011 are the same except one is ment for ac, the other is made for ac/dc. Also it will weld 1/4 in just fine just need a bigger rod and turn your amps up...ya don't need to switch to 7018
05-12-2011 07:49 PM
rockhard98 Don't get a pipe bender, you want a tube bender. There's a big difference. If your talking roll cage you want 1 3/4 .120 wall. Ya can use a stick welder but a wire feed will look a lot nicer.
05-12-2011 07:49 PM
rockhard98 D
05-12-2011 07:45 PM
kfdjason7620 In our shop we use 6011 for sheet metal (22ga .03) up to (7 ga 3/16) and 7018 for 1/4" and up
05-12-2011 07:30 PM
95YamJam Common electrodes used are 6010, 6013, 7018 and 7024

6010 electrodes penetrate deeply, while 6013 electrodes penetrate less. For much better bead appearance and work on higher strength steels (say for a hitch), use a 7018 rod.


The 7024 rod is the easiest to use. Also known as a "drag rod," it has a flux thast helps maintain arc length, which allows you to drag the rod directly along the work piece.

Also, all of these rods come in different diameters. You should read up on stick processes. There is a lot to it to be proficient. Thats why a lot of people buy migs, they can make a dummy look like a welder, to a point.

Typical roll cage material is dom or some use cold rolled mid steel, it is usally .120 wall. Some like thicker .25 wall for some stuff but it gets heavy really fast.

So the cage material is not really that thick. It also requires very tight joints and good penatrating welds. Most cages rely on geometry for strength not sheer bulk of material.

There are books upon books of welding info. Esab, miller and lincoln also have some online resources for some tips.

I think you can be happy with the arc welder but it is gonna take practaice.
05-12-2011 07:27 PM
kfdjason7620 Dam man I wish you were close to me in NC, Idk give you all the scrap steel you need, and with enough practice, you can weld very thin stuff with your stick welder, trust me, I been welding forever it seems like, but now i am the fabricator,and don't weld much anymore, for inside the cab stuff, aluminium is best way to go, saves alot of weight, but that's a whole different chapter, need any answers about what rods to use or techniques, give me a buzz
05-12-2011 07:17 PM
99TJCrawler YamJam, can you school me on what types of stick materials there are? If I were to do a roll cage, I would think I would be using thicker material right?
05-12-2011 07:11 PM
95YamJam Stick can be great for certain things. You can weld really thick metal very quickly, you can lay down large weld veryf fast. If properly mastered (which is difficult) it can be the strongest types of welds. Also stick is great for welding rusty metal.

It is gonna be super dirty, ugly welds for the most part. You will probably burn thru a lot of metals less than 3/16. It's just not really an ideal smal project type welder. Thats why i suggested bumpers or rock rails becuse they are usually thicker material.

If you want to do any smaller projects your gonna need to practice. I suggest finding a local metal surplus shop and buying some scrap different thicknesses. Also find a welding shop because there are different types of "stick" material.
05-12-2011 07:03 PM
99TJCrawler Why not with stick? The one that I got is a 220volt chicago arc 1400. Got it on a trade from a guy.
05-12-2011 07:02 PM
KRawson
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Originally Posted by 95YamJam View Post
Not with a stick welder. Mig or tig. What exactly did you get?

Also to KRawson. The rack that you made, whats it for?
Extra cargo, cooler, tools, extra parts and camping supplys. It sits over a bestop trunk.
05-12-2011 06:59 PM
95YamJam
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Originally Posted by 99TJCrawler View Post
How hard would it be to add on to the roll cage to improve its strength?

Not with a stick welder. Mig or tig. What exactly did you get?

Also to KRawson. The rack that you made, whats it for?
05-12-2011 06:56 PM
99TJCrawler No but I am thinking of getting one. realistically tho, could I make a strong enough weld taking into consideration that I have never done this before??
05-12-2011 06:53 PM
KRawson Do you have a pipe bender?
05-12-2011 06:49 PM
99TJCrawler How hard would it be to add on to the roll cage to improve its strength?
05-12-2011 06:42 PM
KRawson Make an interior rack that sits on the tub when the rear seats are out. I just finished welding mine together last night. Now I just have to prime and paint. Was a fun project.
05-12-2011 06:31 PM
99TJCrawler I already have bumpers and rock rails... sorry, shoulda said that. I bought a grinder the other day also lol thanks
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