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01-02-2013 02:45 PM
dukedallas My buddy uses his girlfriend instead of a high lift jack or winch! He just ties a big Mac to the end of a fishing pole!



Attachment 193685

Hi-Lift should be fine you can get them for $90
01-02-2013 02:37 PM
TJAnderson60 What do you need a winch for when you can just wrap the line around the axel & hit the gas?
08-10-2011 09:29 AM
Crow Hi, I resurected this thread to ask about the ground stake anchor used in this video? He's pulling a rolling weight. If pullig a dead weight (jeep), would two steaks probably hold in this type of ground? Hope so, would make a nice portable tree...

‪Using my Hand Winch for 4x4 Off Road Recovery on Ground Anchor‬‏ - YouTube
07-26-2011 01:02 PM
Up Hill Bill
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Originally Posted by KBR97 View Post
Fwiw..my hi-lift is bent after lifting the back of my TJ a few times.
Ditto. And the cast iron 'loop' for attaching haul line at the top of the jack busted off winching my rig. Good for pulling fence posts, not something I would consider a dependable emergency extraction tool!
07-26-2011 10:53 AM
oldactorjeeper I just bought a Tuf-Tug 5000 lb rated come-along from Northern Tool. Comes with it's own snatch block for dual line capability. Use with two 20 ft straps. Plenty of tree's in Wisconsin, but still might consider a Pull Pal anchor for Murphy's law situation. Reasonalbly priced and no shipping. Seems strong enough to get to a point where my Rubicon lockers will grab.
06-05-2011 10:26 PM
Grog Yeah, looks like $279 for the one you would want

Wyeth-Scott Company More Power Puller
06-05-2011 08:07 PM
MTH
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Originally Posted by Grog
Ran across some 3 ton come alongs in 4 Wheeler. Check out Wyeth-Scott.com
Bingo--those are the best I've seen. The problem though is that for those prices, I might as well toss a basic winch either on the front or use a trailer hitch mount to set up a temporary rear mount winch. But yeah, those look great. THAT'S what a hand winch should look like--those other trinkets on Amazon just don't look like they have nearly the same level of heft and durability.
06-05-2011 02:40 PM
Grog Ran across some 3 ton come alongs in 4 Wheeler. Check out Wyeth-Scott.com
06-01-2011 09:11 AM
jk'n Rough Country winch mount plate. Once mounted (no drilling or cutting any metal) is fairly easy to change the winch. But that would add $240.00.
06-01-2011 08:39 AM
jkaufman_95
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Originally Posted by JIMBOX
Heh Heh, yea I know "MURPHY's LAW"

Guys that go really off-road (explore)take those winch (boat anchor) crutchs, that you bury in sand and "MaxTracks"-

I guess we just do the best we can, without taking a BIG TRAILER, with all the stuff requiured !!

Ya gotta do what ya gotta do !

JIMBO
I just call another jeeper in the area. If one with a winch isn't available I just call someone and winch off their vehicle
06-01-2011 08:30 AM
JIMBOX Heh Heh, yea I know "MURPHY's LAW"


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Originally Posted by jkaufman_95 View Post
Well normally when the trails are easy and have no challenge it's lined with trees. It's that one spot that my 100 feet of winch cable can't get solid around anything that I get stuck
Guys that go really off-road (explore)take those winch (boat anchor) crutchs, that you bury in sand and "MaxTracks"-

I guess we just do the best we can, without taking a BIG TRAILER, with all the stuff requiured !!


Ya gotta do what ya gotta do !

JIMBO
06-01-2011 08:29 AM
jkaufman_95
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Originally Posted by Peepers

In all the years I've been driving buses I never thought of that... New ideas...
Haha it's fun! Try it. Also. The onboard air supply underneath is fun to play with. Like when someones asleep run an air line inside and attach a set of air horns.
06-01-2011 08:27 AM
Peepers
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Originally Posted by jkaufman_95 View Post
First of all. I used to stack cans up under the stairwell of our charter buses and lower the air bags (kneel) the bus and crush em that's just fun.
Secondly there is NEVER a tree or rock around when you need it. NEVER.
In all the years I've been driving buses I never thought of that... New ideas...
06-01-2011 08:10 AM
jkaufman_95
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Originally Posted by JIMBOX
Heh Heh, yea I keep forgetting about you guys in the East-I'm so spoiled by the Sierras, where you can't go ten feet without trees and rocks-

Bummer

JIMBO
Well normally when the trails are easy and have no challenge it's lined with trees. It's that one spot that my 100 feet of winch cable can't get solid around anything that I get stuck
06-01-2011 07:56 AM
JIMBOX Heh Heh, yea I keep forgetting about you guys in the East-I'm so spoiled by the Sierras, where you can't go ten feet without trees and rocks-

Bummer

JIMBO
05-31-2011 11:13 PM
jkaufman_95
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Originally Posted by bbrown626
You can't be too safe. Get the Hi-Lift and use it to jack the vehicle up so you can pile the beer cans or passengers under the tires to reduce the drag. In the unlikely event you need to go forward to get un-stuck, use the your front winch that you bought to pull your buddies out of trouble and to pull yourself up slick or steep hills. If you need to go backward to get out then you can winch the vehicle out with the Hi-Lift, your girly winch-in-a-bag, a block and tackle, come-alongs, chain falls or passengers that were too big to fit in the void below your tire. Don't forget to pack a healthy tree or a big rock just in case you get stuck and there isn't one close enough ahead or behind to latch on to.
First of all. I used to stack cans up under the stairwell of our charter buses and lower the air bags (kneel) the bus and crush em that's just fun.
Secondly there is NEVER a tree or rock around when you need it. NEVER.
05-31-2011 10:45 PM
bbrown626 You can't be too safe. Get the Hi-Lift and use it to jack the vehicle up so you can pile the beer cans or passengers under the tires to reduce the drag. In the unlikely event you need to go forward to get un-stuck, use the your front winch that you bought to pull your buddies out of trouble and to pull yourself up slick or steep hills. If you need to go backward to get out then you can winch the vehicle out with the Hi-Lift, your girly winch-in-a-bag, a block and tackle, come-alongs, chain falls or passengers that were too big to fit in the void below your tire. Don't forget to pack a healthy tree or a big rock just in case you get stuck and there isn't one close enough ahead or behind to latch on to.
05-31-2011 10:37 PM
jkaufman_95 I've done extractions with hi lifts and come a longs. Just go buy a basic 8k winch. Not terribly priced you can keep your stock bumper and a cheaper winch is ok (I go warn but whatever). And if it occasional use it will be much nicer to sit in the jeep hitting a button
05-31-2011 10:29 PM
MTH
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Originally Posted by JPWheelin
What about something like the winch in a bag? Too bad looks like only 2500 lbs max.
Yep, something like that would be good too--a compromise between a come along and a mounted full size winch.

The problem is of course what you identified. A 2000 or even 2500 lb winch is simply not practical for a Wrangler owner, especially a JKU. Even with a snatch block, you'd only be up at a max of 5000. A JKU is 4000+ without any aftermarket bumpers etc. Add the suction and drag associated with being in a significantly deep amount of mud and you're going to burn out that winch pretty quick.

I suppose you could do multiple snatch blocks, but that'd get pretty complicated, you'd need tons of line, and it'd take forever.

That seems to be the problem here. Handheld stuff is ghastly slow, inefficient, labor intensive, prone to damage, etc., whereas the heavy duty mounted winches are incredibly heavy and have their own assortment of problems. It's tough to come up with a compromise for an occasional user who rarely needs a winch but does indeed need one every so often. Jimbox has the best set up I've seen for those purposes.
05-31-2011 09:53 PM
JPWheelin What about something like the winch in a bag? Too bad looks like only 2500 lbs max.

Here is a vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdvv1Q1rhGs

Of course...pulling a Mini Cooper on the road is not quite the same as a wrangler unlimited stuck in the mud!

That is an interesting concept. Instead of mounting to a trailer hitch you could use the tow hooks. The electric winch would basically replace the come along and it includes a remote so you can stand a little further away from the action.
05-31-2011 09:16 PM
JIMBOX As I said, this isn't something you do a lot of-so


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Originally Posted by MTH View Post
I think Seadog is talking about this:



And then maybe the related question of what to do with extra line. Is that right, Brian?
Your sequence is pretty correct-you unreel the comealong to the cables end (be reasonable) then loop the syn on the hook--goto STUCK vehicle-thru D-ring/lunette/toehook-back to tree/treestrap and tie off/or truckers knot---then as you work the comealong the line will stay tight untill you've retrieved all the "USEABLE" cable--THEN

You have to have another rope/strap to secure the "stuckee", otherwise you lose all you've just worked for--or if the "stuckee" is on rocks/dirt, tire chocks will work (I have 4 yellow plastic chocks)--

Then you go thru the same scenario-usually two times, again I don't do mud-

Sometimes a HiLift can be used to pile rocks/limbs/beer cans (oops) underneath the stuckee side--helps the forward pull !!!

You guys that fly in space shuttles are always "looking down" anyway, I spent lotta time on subs, so I'm lookin up !!

Ciao

JIMBO
05-31-2011 08:53 PM
MTH I think Seadog is talking about this:

Quote:
Originally Posted by MTH
So your recommended set up starting from the tree would be tree strap-->come along-->synthetic winch line-->synthetic winch line goes through snatch block at Jeep-->synthetic winch line continues back to come along?
And then maybe the related question of what to do with extra line. Is that right, Brian?
05-31-2011 08:46 PM
seadog Draw it out like you are looking down at the setup from above. Cause I have questions, too.
05-31-2011 08:18 PM
JIMBOX :d oh oh, what do you mean "top down" look at the setup ???


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Originally Posted by seadog View Post
and this is why i like when jimbox gets involved. No bs, straight up info.

I might have to get a snatch-block and line. I already have a 3k come along.

Jim? Is there any way you could draw a top down look of the setup and post a pic? Nothing fancy. Might help clear some things up for us 'kids".

Thanks.
jimbo
05-31-2011 08:13 PM
seadog And this is why I like when Jimbox gets involved. No BS, straight up info.

I might have to get a snatch-block and line. I already have a 3K come along.

Jim? Is there any way you could draw a top down look of the setup and post a pic? Nothing fancy. Might help clear some things up for us 'kids".

Thanks.
05-31-2011 06:19 PM
MTH
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Originally Posted by JIMBOX View Post
Don't know partner, but just like my wife

It beats the hell outta me !!
Found one. Though this tinkers with my price formula a little bit.
05-31-2011 06:16 PM
JIMBOX Don't know partner, but just like my wife


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Originally Posted by MTH View Post
Always got to be problem . . .

I'd "easily/safely" bolt it just as one would bolt on any other winch. This one comes with a mounting plate, though I suspect I'd need to get a "real" one. Do they not they sell generic plate/bolt-on type items that secure a winch to the factory bumper?


It beats the hell outta me !!

JIMBO
05-31-2011 06:13 PM
MTH
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Originally Posted by JIMBOX View Post
Well, I don't know how you would "easily" safely bolt a winch to your front bumper-

And you would still need a fixed fairlead, that was bolted WITH the winch-

It just ain't simple counsler !!
Always got to be problem . . .

I'd "easily/safely" bolt it just as one would bolt on any other winch. This one comes with a mounting plate, though I suspect I'd need to get a "real" one. Do they not they sell generic plate/bolt-on type items that secure a winch to the factory bumper?
05-31-2011 06:06 PM
JIMBOX Well, I don't know how you would "easily" safely bolt a winch to your front bumper-


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Originally Posted by MTH View Post
See, that's what I was thinking, which is why I wouldn't bother hardwiring it into the Jeep. It would merely be bolted on the front so as to give me better pull angles like a traditional set up, but I would still have to open the hood to connect it to the battery and so on like a mobile set up. That keeps it easily removable if it ever craps out or if I want an upgrade. My wife has the sewing skills to make me one of these to keep the elements off of the mounted one and having a second identical winch on a receiver plate lets me move that one to any of the other receivers in the family. Pretty good for $550 plus the basic accessories--presuming I can actually mount this little winch to my Jeep.
And you would still need a fixed fairlead, that was bolted WITH the winch-

It just ain't simple counsler !!

JIMBO
05-31-2011 05:57 PM
MTH
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Originally Posted by JIMBOX View Post
One reason I'm in disfavor of the PERMANENT front winch mount, is the Exposure to sun/wind/rain/snow/dirt/dog shi# and ease of use persuasion-not to mention the wiring/switching/breakering and inside cabin presentation--it all will figure in-unless you keep it mobile, with battery clips--just like me--simple and personal !!!
See, that's what I was thinking, which is why I wouldn't bother hardwiring it into the Jeep. It would merely be bolted on the front so as to give me better pull angles like a traditional set up, but I would still have to open the hood to connect it to the battery and so on like a mobile set up. That keeps it easily removable if it ever craps out or if I want an upgrade. My wife has the sewing skills to make me one of these to keep the elements off of the mounted one and having a second identical winch on a receiver plate lets me move that one to any of the other receivers in the family. Pretty good for $550 plus the basic accessories--presuming I can actually mount this little winch to my Jeep.
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