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06-08-2011 02:31 AM
harwa004 Thanks to Kate, Jack, and Jonathan for their efforts in the past, present, and future. I don't understand all the specific laws in much detail, but do understand how important this issue is and how it can tremendously impact all Jeepers and the offroading community as a whole.

We all can become complacent and need these reminders!!! THANK YOU!!
06-07-2011 09:11 PM
XJ Knight At one point i was really fired up. I did good things.. and I failed in some other things. I felt I did the best i could at the time without the support of the two largest offroad clubs in my area. Not that they weren't doing things but they didn't want my help.. I took one of the smaller clubs in the area and used that to promote legal offroading. I joined up and started to organize snow runs and promote other area events. In a short time the guy who created the club told me we are taking a step forward and gave me the title of "events coordinator".. I took it and ran with it. Kept myself active with the other area clubs even without the liking of some of those in charge of those more prevelent clubs. Organized events with'n my club and one at a the only local park for all the clubs to my area.. I put a ton of time and effort into promotion of legal offroading and treading lightly. I felt I could have went farther with my drive to promote legal offroading but was on my own so I did what I could. Those in the club i ran events for were not as enthusiastic about legally offroading as I was to say the least. In fact by the time I moved I had only just started to get across to alot of them that illegal offroading and trespassing is bad for us..

Tons of people in my area of the country to this day that illegally offroad around here do to the aboundunce of places to do it and get away with it if your careful and pick your spots. I tried to fight against this. Hoping I left some kind of impression.

NYS catters to the atv and snowmobile riders, while restricting us to what can be found.. Most of that illegal. We are actually despised by the snowmobile community in wny cause alot of people will take there 4x4's down the snowmobile trails.. Good trails to be used in the summer so I've been told.. But like I said NYS loves it's snow mobilers and along with the snowmobile and atv clubs shuns us. There are currently two parks in NYS but for anyone who is into legally wheeling only as should be and lives south of syracuse seem to all have a money tree cause they take a 5 hour drive into PA to wheel at a park there..

2 public Parks in nys is a joke for the endless amount of land there is. In the end due to the greenies that are prevelant in nys, the snowmobile and atv enthusiasts, I am thankful for the oppurtunities that are here even if it's only 2 public parks. It's better then some states in the NE.


As to me, I had moved from the area and left my position with permision of the club president to a person who took what I taught him and attemted to go farther then what I ever did with legal offroad promotion, treading lightly, and in club work with events. Sadly to say not to long after I left he and the club president had different ideas that lead to conflict and the club I worked hard to build fell apart. The person I left in charge of promotion and event cordinating started a new club to whitch has not grown as he expected and to my knowledge those that were in the club that folded that I tried so hard to stop offroading illegally are now back to doing so..


I tried and failed to continue what I tried to instal into the offroading community what I could.. Including in my time seeing a offroad comp park open and close due to the lack of support from the offroaders in my area from all the clubs in the area.. there are 5 with in a 3 hour drive of each other.. kinda crazy but it is what it is.


I tried really hard in my effort to promote what more people should be I think and while succeeding at times.. I beleive failed in the end.. My only hope is to those that I got to carried on with what I tried to do for the area after I left.. I am back to wny and have been for quite some time but due to lack of funds and time I backed off of what I was doing before I left.

Maybe someday I will go back to it but for now I will do my part from behind a computer screen. It's not what maybe some want to hear who are currently trying as hard as I once did but It's what I can do until the funds are there to get back to the offroad parks and have the funds to go from club to club meetings with that same drive i once had..

THANKS TO ALL THAT PROMOTE LEGAL OFFROADING AND TREADING LIGHTLY. There is not enough of you out there.


My condolences to those in maryland who just lost there parks to I beleive the greenies who were responsibe for shutting them dwon..

Sorry ranted again.. Please carry on.. thanks
06-07-2011 08:07 PM
1BLKJP
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We already did... we lost Tellico!
Our group is centered around Memphis though, so it didn't affect us as much as it would if it were someplace like Superlift.
Yeah I hear ya. It's tough. None of are as threatening as the Sierra Club is. Maybe that's what we should do. Pound them with junk mail telling them that if they don't help they are going to lose everything and having to give up 4 wheeling for a mountain bike or some hiking boots.
06-07-2011 07:56 PM
Kate We already did... we lost Tellico!
Our group is centered around Memphis though, so it didn't affect us as much as it would if it were someplace like Superlift.
06-07-2011 07:38 PM
1BLKJP
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I wish I could figure out how to get folks fired up.
The only sure fire way for that to happen is to have them lose a trail or their favorite wheeling area. Sad, but sure does work.
06-07-2011 07:40 AM
Kate Thank you Jack!
I have the honor of being our club's Director of Land Use this year and it has been an eye opening experience in many ways.
It's altogether possible that I may just holler at you and ask for help or info.

I wish I could figure out how to get folks fired up.
06-06-2011 07:01 PM
1BLKJP
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West of the missisippi it's been all hunky dorey for a long time and this is another win for the west, but man places to wheel east of the river continue to fall of the map in steady fashion.. Biggest issue the west coast faces right now is Johnson Valley but overall there is a endless supply of places to offroad to witch while there are legal offroading oppurtunities in the east they are for the land that is availabe to do such a activity pretty scarce.. PA is the one state in the N.E that has taken advantage of those looking for a legal place to wheel with to my knowlege 4 or 5 offroad parks.. The rest of the east coast with few exceptions not only doesn't want to follow suit but is looking at ways to shut more places down before building or opening a place up..

OK, Guess I needed to vent lol.. Rant Done
That's not true about the West...Texas lost all of their river travel a few years ago, Moab is facing some serious issues on their trails and the ecco terrorists would love motorized out of there, Arizona always faces serious issues because of EPA Dust Regulations, California loses trails on the regular and several years ago lost all of Glamis for a time being. Now the Marines want to infringe on the single greatest collection of rock crawling trails in the world with Johnson Valley.

I understand what you are saying about land closures on the east coast and you are absolutely correct. However I will say that organizations like United 4Wheel Drive, Blue Ribbon Coalition, ARRA, etc...are more equipped to handle the situations that rise up out in your neck of the woods. Land closures are still relevantly new out here in the desert southwest so we are behind the curve on major forces to work for us. I am President of a group called the Arizona Off-Highway Vehicle Coalition. You wouldn't imagine the problems we have had uniting all of the forms of OHV to come together and protect all of our trails as one group.

Kate, You are a peach for being diligent in posting the information on these boards. If you ever need any help digesting the info you are reading let me know.
06-06-2011 09:15 AM
Kate No, don't stop venting!
I agree, people as a whole just don't get it. They think that because the live on one side of the country or another that these issues do not affect them. They couldn't be more wrong.

Each and every time something comes up in regards to legislation that impacts the off road community, ALL of us should be hitting the keyboards and sending off responses. If not, it won't be long before we have all invested in off road vehicles that just sit in the driveway. More than that we will have lost our rights to go and explore this great country of ours. That, in and of itself, would be the biggest shame of all.

Our club has well over 100 paid members and hundreds more that are unpaid. I have found that when I post these little dittys on our forum that I get the same four or five guys who respond. Rarely over ten. It's heartbreaking... but I'll just keep on pluggin.. one voice is more than none at all.
06-06-2011 03:08 AM
XJ Knight West of the missisippi it's been all hunky dorey for a long time and this is another win for the west, but man places to wheel east of the river continue to fall of the map in steady fashion.. Biggest issue the west coast faces right now is Johnson Valley but overall there is a endless supply of places to offroad to witch while there are legal offroading oppurtunities in the east they are for the land that is availabe to do such a activity pretty scarce.. PA is the one state in the N.E that has taken advantage of those looking for a legal place to wheel with to my knowlege 4 or 5 offroad parks.. The rest of the east coast with few exceptions not only doesn't want to follow suit but is looking at ways to shut more places down before building or opening a place up..

OK, Guess I needed to vent lol.. Rant Done
06-06-2011 02:31 AM
1BLKJP Sure is a great thing Kate. I see that people on here are still lethargic about Land Use items. I was almost to the point when I was on the Administrator of this site we were going to program it that unless you read every new post in this section you couldn't get to the rest of the board.

This is one scenario that was about as scary as humanly possilbe for motorized recreation on public lands. This would've allowed this to designate wildlands with bascially no public input and have it happen at lightning speed.
06-01-2011 03:52 PM
Kate
Breaking news: Salazar to back down on wildlands policy

This is great news!!!

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BREAKING NEWS: SALAZAR TO BACK DOWN ON WILDLANDS POLICY

Dear BRC Action Alert Subscriber,

It seems the Obama Administration has realized it over-reached with the December 2010 Secretarial Order establishing the Wildlands Policy. The Associated Press is reporting that Department of Interior Secretary Ken Salazar has today signed a memo saying his agency will not designate any "Wildlands."

The AP reports Salazar intends to work instead on efforts to "work with members of Congress to develop recommendations for managing millions of acres of undeveloped land in the West."

See:
APNewsBreak: Obama abandons wilderness plan
APNewsBreak: Obama abandons wilderness plan | The Associated Press | Politics | San Francisco Examiner

The impacts of this announcement on access and recreation on vast areas of public lands is not readily evident, but it certainly appears to us the DOI made the only reasonable decision since BLM lands have already been inventoried for wilderness characteristics. Those lands meeting the criteria are Wilderness Study areas and have been managed to protect wild character for many years.

Many other BLM lands remain attractive and available for a variety of recreation uses. We look forward to working with Congress and the agency to plan the management of these lands for all recreationists now and in the future.

Brian Hawthorne
Public Lands Policy Director
BlueRibbon Coalition
208-237-1008 ext 102

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