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06-10-2011 06:53 AM
homebrwd
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Originally Posted by patricks View Post
I have never been pulled over for not having the doors off.
Wait, so you have been pulled over for having the doors off? You may want to stay away from double negatives.

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Originally Posted by XJ Knight View Post
Nope not all of them. My favorite teacher in H.S is a cop.. But from my experience and listening to other people the majority of them are.. I've had mostly bad experiences with them both directly and inderectly over the years. It is unfortuanate that most of them are the way they are.. It truly does give the good guys out there who happen to also be LEO's a bad name..
"From other people" People don't go around talking about good cop experiences nearly as much as they are likely to rant about one. Its just like you'll find a hell of a lot more bad product reviews on the internet than good ones because people are more likely to feel the need to comment about a bad experience. Human nature, I take what people say about cops with a grain of salt. Plus you have to realize that most people think the cop is out to get them and have a bad view before the situation even really begins. I have had good an bad experiences, more good than bad really and I also have a few good friends and relatives that work in law enforcement.
06-10-2011 06:50 AM
Snowbucks
Funny (local) vehicle laws

Wouldn't put the window down on newer ones - that curved windshield looks plain stupid down. But my ol' CJ was EASY to drop the windshield, except in New Hope, PA. I was told there you'd be ticketed without a helmet if it were down. Which would have actully looked stupider!
06-10-2011 03:10 AM
XJ Knight Nope not all of them. My favorite teacher in H.S is a cop.. But from my experience and listening to other people the majority of them are.. I've had mostly bad experiences with them both directly and inderectly over the years. It is unfortuanate that most of them are the way they are.. It truly does give the good guys out there who happen to also be LEO's a bad name..
06-10-2011 03:01 AM
JimmEC
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Originally Posted by XJ Knight
Ride doorless. Follow your mirror laws. Be Happy.. If you are harrassed by a Doosh bag errrr I mean cop.. Take it to court, you will win.. The doors on a Jeep wrangler are not part of the integrity of the vehlicle. they are there to protect you from the elements outside the of the jeep. They are not a safety feature. Same goes for your top.. Topless, Doorless, Or Naked.. Enjoy and have fun out there
C'om on man, not all cops are douche bags! We don't have that problem here in Houston.
06-10-2011 02:47 AM
XJ Knight Ride doorless. Follow your mirror laws. Be Happy.. If you are harrassed by a Doosh bag errrr I mean cop.. Take it to court, you will win.. The doors on a Jeep wrangler are not part of the integrity of the vehlicle. they are there to protect you from the elements outside the of the jeep. They are not a safety feature. Same goes for your top.. Topless, Doorless, Or Naked.. Enjoy and have fun out there
06-10-2011 02:17 AM
Lewis Hmm, wonder what the law is about no doors in the UK? May just do it and find out (once I've bought a Wrangler)
06-10-2011 12:35 AM
Thracks America.

Land of the free.
06-09-2011 07:56 PM
patricks You will not just get pulled over for talking on your cell phone in MD either. IF you get pulled over for speeding and you were on your cell phone then they will give you a ticket for it. If your in DC then it is a different story.
06-09-2011 07:37 PM
Mr. Sinister
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Originally Posted by bc3_Jeep View Post
Not true.....in Illinois for example... each county can pass laws that are MORE stringent than the state laws, but not LESS stringent (E.G. in Cook county, you CANNOT use your Cell phone unless you have a hands free device, but in the rest of the state you can.)

Also, even IF your state allows you to have a weapon (gun) in your vehicle within reach, DO NOT... and I repeat DO NOT drive through Illinois thinking your state's guidlines will prevent you from going to jail..... they will not.
That's not the same thing. A cell phone violation isn't a vehicle equipment code. Gun laws are not the same as vehicle equipment laws.
Please, call your state police. Ask them about the state vehicle equipment codes in regards to Wrangler doors and if a county can override them, don't take my word for it. Let me know what they tell you.
06-09-2011 06:49 PM
M_
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Originally Posted by bc3_Jeep

Not true.....in Illinois for example... each county can pass laws that are MORE stringent than the state laws, but not LESS stringent (E.G. in Cook county, you CANNOT use your Cell phone unless you have a hands free device, but in the rest of the state you can.)

Also, even IF your state allows you to have a weapon (gun) in your vehicle within reach, DO NOT... and I repeat DO NOT drive through Illinois thinking your state's guidlines will prevent you from going to jail..... they will not.
Neither one of the examples you stated are motorvehicle laws! Vehicles are registered state-wide so laws regarding your actual vehicle are statewide not county wide... Anyone can be told to put the cell phone down and that does not alter your vehicle and of course hand gun laws vary state to state and you have to obey local laws... Some states also do not allow radar detectors... You have to remove it from your dash while driving in that state
06-09-2011 05:52 PM
patricks
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Originally Posted by CapptainObvious View Post
I'm 95% sure that MD law says that you need at least two mirrors that give you an unobstructed view of at least 200 feet to the rear.

Also, there is no law about doors off as far as I know. I am actually driving to OC this weekend and plan on going doorless. I did it at least a half dozen times last summer.

I have never been pulled over for not having the doors off. I'm sure that if you get pulled over for a seat belt violation or speeding they could write you up if they want to be a jerk. I don't think they are going to go out of their way just to pull over someone in a jeep. They have better things to do like find the person that murdered the woman in the Burger King several weeks ago. That should have been easy since the State Trooper headquarters is less than a mile down the street. You idiots!!
06-09-2011 05:13 PM
bc3_Jeep
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Originally Posted by Mr. Sinister View Post
No they can't. They may TRY to, but it WILL NOT hold up in court. Vehicle safety codes are a STATE function, because your vehicle is registered to the STATE, not the COUNTY. If a county tries to pull that mess, tell them the STATE makes the vehicle safety laws, based on Federal standards. A lot of cops and municipalities count on you not knowing the laws, hell, a lot of cops don't even know the laws, especially the ones that outright contradict themselves. Don't fall for their BS, KNOW THE LAWS!! If you really are worried about it, call your County!! Things like emissions standards and DUI standards can vary between counties, but not required safety equipment. Which doesn't matter, because the Jeep's doors are not considered safety equipment. Jeep doors are DESIGNED to be removed. If you get a ticket for removing the Jeep's doors, you might as well get one for removing the top, pulling the spare tire, pulling the back seat, etc.

It's the same thing between states. If the state your vehicle is registered in only requires x, you can't get a ticket in the next state over for not having y, nor get a ticket in any county within your home state if you're following STATE guidelines. Think about it this way: If a guy was from a county that permits doors off, does it make sense for him to get a ticket in the next county over that requires doors? Again, if you don't know the laws, you can't argue your case. KNOW THE LAWS!!!

Not true.....in Illinois for example... each county can pass laws that are MORE stringent than the state laws, but not LESS stringent (E.G. in Cook county, you CANNOT use your Cell phone unless you have a hands free device, but in the rest of the state you can.)

Also, even IF your state allows you to have a weapon (gun) in your vehicle within reach, DO NOT... and I repeat DO NOT drive through Illinois thinking your state's guidlines will prevent you from going to jail..... they will not.
06-09-2011 05:11 PM
fan of fanboys
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Originally Posted by CapptainObvious

That's so weird. Anyone know about the MD law on shoeless driving?
Illegal in SC as well. Found out one day.
06-09-2011 05:05 PM
CapptainObvious
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Originally Posted by bc3_Jeep View Post
No shoes is NOT a made up law...... here in Illinois..... barefoot driving is NOT allowed....
That's so weird. Anyone know about the MD law on shoeless driving?
06-09-2011 05:04 PM
bc3_Jeep No shoes is NOT a made up law...... here in Illinois..... barefoot driving is NOT allowed....
06-09-2011 04:25 PM
Mr. Sinister
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Originally Posted by CapptainObvious View Post
I'm 95% sure that MD law says that you need at least two mirrors that give you an unobstructed view of at least 200 feet to the rear.

Also, there is no law about doors off as far as I know. I am actually driving to OC this weekend and plan on going doorless. I did it at least a half dozen times last summer.
One rearview mirror, one mirror that provides a view to the rear on the driver's side. straight from the horse's mouth. OC cops are notorious for trying to ticket tourists, counting on you not coming back to fight it. do what i did. speak to someone at the State Police HQ, get his name, date and time you spoke with him. If an OC cop pulls you, tell him state law says doors off is 100% legal, and this is who he needs to talk to.
06-09-2011 04:24 PM
Mr. Sinister
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Originally Posted by GrmnCrsNBr View Post
The issue with that is that some counties can add to state law and make doorless a violation, so you may not know all that you should.
No they can't. They may TRY to, but it WILL NOT hold up in court. Vehicle safety codes are a STATE function, because your vehicle is registered to the STATE, not the COUNTY. If a county tries to pull that mess, tell them the STATE makes the vehicle safety laws, based on Federal standards. A lot of cops and municipalities count on you not knowing the laws, hell, a lot of cops don't even know the laws, especially the ones that outright contradict themselves. Don't fall for their BS, KNOW THE LAWS!! If you really are worried about it, call your County!! Things like emissions standards and DUI standards can vary between counties, but not required safety equipment. Which doesn't matter, because the Jeep's doors are not considered safety equipment. Jeep doors are DESIGNED to be removed. If you get a ticket for removing the Jeep's doors, you might as well get one for removing the top, pulling the spare tire, pulling the back seat, etc.

It's the same thing between states. If the state your vehicle is registered in only requires x, you can't get a ticket in the next state over for not having y, nor get a ticket in any county within your home state if you're following STATE guidelines. Think about it this way: If a guy was from a county that permits doors off, does it make sense for him to get a ticket in the next county over that requires doors? Again, if you don't know the laws, you can't argue your case. KNOW THE LAWS!!!
06-09-2011 04:21 PM
CapptainObvious I'm 95% sure that MD law says that you need at least two mirrors that give you an unobstructed view of at least 200 feet to the rear.

Also, there is no law about doors off as far as I know. I am actually driving to OC this weekend and plan on going doorless. I did it at least a half dozen times last summer.
06-09-2011 02:02 PM
scolumbo
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Originally Posted by Jeepoffroad04
On the jeep web site it says having the doors off is only for off road use only.
That's probably the lawyers talkin'
06-09-2011 01:47 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by Jeepoffroad04
On the jeep web site it says having the doors off is only for off road use only.
Really? Lol. Thats interesting.
06-09-2011 12:11 PM
homebrwd OP, just get soft half doors or tube doors, keep them in the back and if the LEO give you crap just throw them on.
06-09-2011 12:04 PM
Jeepoffroad04 On the jeep web site it says having the doors off is only for off road use only.
06-09-2011 10:28 AM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by daggo66

They are part of the structural integrity of an XJ.
Oh ok.
06-09-2011 07:41 AM
homebrwd
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Originally Posted by Mr. Sinister View Post
CALL YOUR STATE POLICE HEADQUARTERS!!!!!!!!

Seriously, call them and ask them what the rules are. Every state is different. I did, and they told me exactly what I needed to know. Get the name of the officer you spoke to, record the time and date, so if you get stopped, you'll have back-up. Tell the officer who pulls you over to do the same thing, call HQ and ask them.
The issue with that is that some counties can add to state law and make doorless a violation, so you may not know all that you should.
06-08-2011 03:14 PM
TJe0454
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Originally Posted by daggo66 View Post
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06-08-2011 03:07 PM
Mr. Sinister CALL YOUR STATE POLICE HEADQUARTERS!!!!!!!!

Seriously, call them and ask them what the rules are. Every state is different. I did, and they told me exactly what I needed to know. Get the name of the officer you spoke to, record the time and date, so if you get stopped, you'll have back-up. Tell the officer who pulls you over to do the same thing, call HQ and ask them.
06-08-2011 03:03 PM
jrohan07 Love the doors off but can't stand not having my 2 original mirrors so went with rugged ridge relocation brackets. All steel brackets and cover for hole in door when mirrors are removed. Driver side awesome view...passenger side with steel doors on....horrible..I just fold the passenger mirror in right before the breakaway features work and I can see half of the mirror and whats on my right side.
06-08-2011 02:28 PM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by desertgoose View Post
You are also at the mercy of the officers interpretation of the laws. That is unless you are willing to fight a fix it ticket in court. I may be mistaken, but I don't think not having mirrors or doors is a moving violation. I had to fight a stop sign violation in court years back because the sign was on a post and there was a lane turning before it. Had to explain the law to the person supposedly enforcing them what the definition of an intersection is. Told him to mark the court date in his planner as I will be there, he laughed at me. Represented myself in court after about 4 hours of researching Ohio state law and local city laws. Case dismissed! Yeah, he got a nice little on my way out.

Correct, it is a safety violation not a moving violation.
06-08-2011 02:21 PM
desertgoose You are also at the mercy of the officers interpretation of the laws. That is unless you are willing to fight a fix it ticket in court. I may be mistaken, but I don't think not having mirrors or doors is a moving violation. I had to fight a stop sign violation in court years back because the sign was on a post and there was a lane turning before it. Had to explain the law to the person supposedly enforcing them what the definition of an intersection is. Told him to mark the court date in his planner as I will be there, he laughed at me. Represented myself in court after about 4 hours of researching Ohio state law and local city laws. Case dismissed! Yeah, he got a nice little on my way out.

06-08-2011 02:00 PM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
Just curious, why would it be?
They are part of the structural integrity of an XJ.
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