|09-07-2007 02:41 PM|
|AzTJ||If modified the proper way, they can be just as reliable as stock. I never said it, but yours was just an accident waiting to happen. But I am glad your safe and no one was injured.|
|09-07-2007 02:30 PM|
|09-07-2007 12:11 PM|
Did you do anything to beef up your front end before putting those ridiculously large tires on?
How about before adding those spacers which magnified the stresses put on the steering knuckles?
Modifying a Jeep doesn't make it unreliable if you use your head when choosing your mods.
38 inch tires on 2 inch spacers is an accident waiting to happen on any vehicle.
I'm very sorry you had an accident and I'm glad you aren't hurt, but it's definitely not the Jeeps fault.
|09-07-2007 11:55 AM|
|blownfanswitch||I'm in college now. I have had my jeep for a full year as of the first. I have NEVER been stranded or had any problems. I had to replace the battery once...and that has been it. don't know why some of you folks are having such a bad time with them.|
|09-06-2007 01:07 PM|
Unreal, I bought my 98XJ in Dec of 97, 4.0/5sp, new, base model SE w/Air, other than oil, grease, tires and brakes, plugs, wires, cap and rotors, air filters, red top. I added bumpers, E codes, fogs, skids, Auburn rear. That jeep ran for over 300,000 mi before an injector stuck open and it wiped #3 cylinder. Replaced with a Jasper and had a clutch done at the same time. I still drive it daily every other week, still gets 22mpg hiway, 19-20 town. That engine made it 98mi home from philly on 5 cylinders.
97TJ 2.5, 5 speed, SE, bought in 2003 with 80K on it, 160,000 now, tires, brakes, water pump, radiator, alternator, belt, plugs, cap, rotor, wires, filters and oil, bumpers, new soft top, CIBIE headlights, Hella fogs, red top. Flawless. Driven daily every other week, I alternate between. Solid 20mpg hiway and town.
Unreliable, expensive, hmmm, not in my experience, they are so simple and so easy to repair I'll probably always own a TJ.
|09-06-2007 08:57 AM|
|4Jeepn||I have owned 2 cj 1 xj 4 tjs' 1 zj. the only one that gave me fits was the zj. The current one is a DD on 35's 137k miles. Runs great. Any jeep or car can have issues, some times its the cars fault, more oftern than not its the owner and lack of fixing stuff or running stuff that pushes the stock componets too far then they complain when it brakes. Buy the jeep get an extend warranty and be happy..|
|09-04-2007 09:46 AM|
I had a cj5 when I was younger and to be honest it wasn't the best choice for someone my age. So I sold it, and regretted it until a month ago when I bought my 99 tj. It's not my dd and now I make enough money to really enjoy what owning a jeep is all about: breaking, fixing, and having fun.
If you buy one get one stock, and I know it will be hard but keep it that way. Sounds like everyone is in harmony on that one. The more you change the more it breaks.
|09-04-2007 09:03 AM|
|gtchief||I had a '95 my first couple years of college and olny got rid of it because I needed to be able to tow more. Mine never left me stranded anywhere and only had a couple minor and easy to fix problems. I was driving it 180 miles home every few weeks and it did just fine.|
|09-03-2007 02:39 PM|
First off that guy need to go to slang usage school...it isn't DOE for another word for money...it's dough..as in a bakers dough...or doughnut. Trust me on this one...I am a cop and I know my dough.
Unreliable???? Don't think so. I had a Cherokee that went 188,000 before it gave up the ghost and my Daughter didn't take of it.
However if you are short on DOUGH on a monthly basis find a cheap car with better gas mileage. That would be my only suggestion.
|09-03-2007 01:34 PM|
|naterg||I drove a jeep at college, and my only problem was driving it 4 hours home every other weekend (i had a bitch of a gf back then that DEMANDED i come home every other weekend) , because I had 31s on an anemic 4banger with stock gears. Never had any oil leaking or any other such problems with that or this one.|
|09-02-2007 05:11 PM|
|upinar||he is absolutely right! I remember reading this post a few days ago and now that i just got home from the tow truck, i thought u should know cause i was driving about 45 mph and my left hub blew and my tire flew off and when into the other lane. I slid and hit and curb and just missed a tree. left knuckle system broke into pieces, bent the c and the left side, bent and ripped all control arm brackets. The who front end needs replacing and i have school on tuesday. Jeeps are definently NOT RELIABLE CARS IF THEY HAVE ANY UPGRADES. They are very relieble if they are stock and i know if u buy one ur not gonna keep it stock cause the whole reason of buying a jeep if to modify it and have fun with it. I dont know what im gonna due about school on tuesday, maybe carpool or something, but im just sharing this so it doesnt happen to you. My jeep has givin my so many problems that id come to school late or absent. DONT LET THIS HAPPEN TO YOU.|
|09-02-2007 12:48 PM|
|Jeep_Geek||In my opinion Wranglers are very reliable vehicles in there stock form. Lift it and put bigger tires on you start breaking parts left and right. My jeep with 31's and just a locker I would beat the living crap out of every weekend and drive everyday. Once I lifted it and put 54lb tires on I started breaking everything axles, u joints, transmissions. I expected it to happen and that is part of the fun of modifing a vehicle!|
|09-01-2007 05:43 AM|
|jjseel||Well Said, OC! I didn't mention any fluid leaks earlier, because I don't have any. (on either)|
|09-01-2007 05:26 AM|
|09-01-2007 12:35 AM|
my opinion...any vehicle will drop dead on you if you don't take care of it....
I heard alot of bad things about 2.8 Camaros in the late 80s...i had an 87 I got 220,000 out of her before she gave up the ghost, but then I did the maintance everyone should do when it should be done..
had an 89 Comanche...173,000, but didn't drive it hard, maintance on time..etc
I've heard alot of folks saying they had trouble with 2nd generation Dodge Rams...my 2001 had 74,000 trouble free miles on her..and i was reading where guys were replacing trannies at 55,000 miles and stuff...
just take care of ALL of them...and they'll take care of you...hell on Jeeps...my wife just bought our 2nd one..so I hope that guy is wrong!
take care of them, do the maintance..tune up like you should, and i think any vehicle will take care ofyou...well..maybe not a Yugo..but i ain't seen one around in forever!
|09-01-2007 12:09 AM|
Agree w/everyone but rubi for the most part. Like most everyone has said, they'll last forever if you take care to do ALL the scheduled and recommended maintenance and respect it. They may tend to have a few quirks and some things that need some TLC every now and again. You probably should consider if you will be able to afford repairs b/c that will always happen. But that goes for any vehicle. But the great thing about any Jeep, even newer TJ's, is that I can work on the damn thing myself. I couldn't even consider working on some of the other vehs I had/have. There are not many late model vehs that the avg joe can work on IF something were to need repair. That's a BIG plus in my book - and I'm far from a mechanic. One other thing, I'm still kicking myself for not buying the Wrangler that I really wanted when I was in HS and college - I bowed to the "wisdom" of others who cautioned me away from Jeeps b/c they "aren't practical". You could easily still have that Jeep long after college and turn it into a full blown trail rig once you've got another DD. Will you still have a (insert vehicle) several years after college? Would it be running? Would you want it? A jeep is timeless. IMO.
BTW, all the "probs" I've ever had with any of my jeeps has been my own doing and generally result of mods. And oh yeah, I did have to get a new battery once. And some new wipers.
|08-31-2007 11:45 PM|
|Gary1129||Im a tech at a Chrysler dealer and out of all the vehicles they sell Wranglers have the least problems of any of em....well at least the manual trans ones......|
|08-31-2007 09:51 PM|
|jjseel||69,000 miles with no problems. I think JSC05Rubi may have a lemon problem, 1 in a million with any brand. Had a Commanche with the 4.0, 155,000 miles,ONLY problem was the stupid French transmission that is no longer in use. Gas mileage bites, but I havn't had to go to the Dr. since I bought mine 1 1/2 years ago (JEEP Therapy!)|
|08-31-2007 09:08 PM|
Sounds to me like that guy has abused a pair of well made vehicles. I won't tell you that just because it has Jeep on the hood it will be perfect but they are a great machine and will take care of you if you take care of it. Buying used is tricky because you can't determined exactly what the previous owner did to the jeep. Find one that has been taken care of and you should be OK. Use your eyes and brain, look for signs of abuse, neglect, or cover ups. Any vehicle that is not properly maintained and/or Abused will have problems. It is a 4x4 so there are a few more things to take care of in the maintenance schedule. I would suggest looking for a stock jeep at this time just because of the cost of certain things that go hand in hand with a modded machine but it's your call.
Ours is about to turn 100k and all I have had to do was fix the abuse from the previous owner and buy a few bolts that I snapped off being a little to rough.
BTW you wouldn't believe what I saw when I worked at the dealer in Hastings on vehicles with warranty's. Quite a few people truly have no clue or don't care about taking care of a vehicle and think that they should run forever with no work or cost to them. I actually had one customer tell me that he always bought new, drove the car for 5 years, and then moved to his next vehicle of choice. If it cost him money he wouldn't do it. Imagine getting a vehicle after this guy drove it into the ground. The last one I saw him blow up was a Coup De Ville a couple of years old.
|08-31-2007 02:50 PM|
|whitebuffalo||while i agree theyre not the most practical vehicle, i wouldnt say theyre any more unreliable than any other vehicle. on one hand you have to keep priorities straight, on the other hand, life is too short to drive a crappy car.|
|08-31-2007 02:42 PM|
|killerisdead||im a yj guy no big problems that i didnt cause its my dd......ive only heard good things about tjs as dd ......and jeeps just seem to keep going forever..........ive got an 88 in the back yard with 213000 and a 93 with 115000 thay both start every time......|
|08-31-2007 02:12 PM|
haha, that has nothing to do with how the drivline is
it wont go over thirty b/c the steering sucks and the brake sucks, and it was only make to go like 45 tops
so it can go that fast i would just end up hitting something and dying
im just saying that jeeps are ment to last FOREVER and that my jeep was NOT taken care of and it still works, and we're talking about a 52 yr old jeep with 25 yrs of neglect so a 97 that has been taken care of..... get the point?
|08-31-2007 02:08 PM|
i uhhh...thought it didnt go over 30 and had no brakes......?
what would you consider to be in "poor" condition?
|08-31-2007 02:05 PM|
|08-31-2007 02:02 PM|
I know it has nothing do do with a TJ, but my CJ has been abused by the po for 24 years, in 24 years not one oil change not oil tune up, nothing at all, he just put gas in it and used it!!
and btw it still runs like a charm!
|08-31-2007 01:53 PM|
mines been perfect the whole time ive owned it.
(a little over 2 weeks now)
|08-31-2007 01:51 PM|
|Walkeraviator||Yeah, i dont get that either. I have a 97 with 85,000 miles. Th eprevious owner put about 1200 miles on it in 2 years, so it sat.. a lot. The battery wasd obviously dead so i bought a new one and cranked her over. She fired in two cranks. Since then I had to stop a rear end leak and take the jeep in for a recall. Thats it. Its a lot more dependable than my grand prix or my honda civic were|
|08-31-2007 01:42 PM|
|Terminator||I find that you can't kill a 6cyl Jeep(well if you want to you could). I think if you just dog the crap out of it all the time and not respect it off road one could spend a lot of money in repairs. If you find a Jeep check it out real good. If your on a tight budget I would buy a stock Jeep verses a modified one. The stock Jeep was more than likely a mall cruiser not a trail buggy. You only live once, if you want a Jeep, buy one. Don't spend every dime on it, set some a side for any repairs you might need to make. No one said you have to spend all your money up front.|
|08-31-2007 01:10 PM|
You must really abuse the shit out of your DD jeep if your working on it every other weekend?
My jeep is my DD, and the only serious work iv had to do on it is change the oil/tranny service. In the past couple months.
Maybe people just take care of things they don't have a warranty on?
Whats not "Reliable" on them besides poor Gas Rating?
EDIT: oh also I changed a dist cap few weeks back but I should have got a full tune up when I bought it.
|08-31-2007 01:06 PM|
I hate to say it, but I almost agree. Don't get me wrong, I love my rubicon, and loved my 97, but neither would I call reliable, and chrysler warranty sucks. I run my rubi as a DD, but I have a gf that can take me to work when my jeeps down at chrysler.
For a college student, I would have to agree. Get a good, reliable, gas sipping DD for when your broke going to your second job, and get a jeep as a second vehicle.
Like I said, I love my jeep, but I dont sugar coat it either. Jeeps are expensive, inefficient, and unreliable. Can't ask for a more fun, or better performing off-roader, but a college student is going to have a hard time keeping a jeep on the road. Breaking down in the snow is fun and all...untill your going to your 3rd job at 12 am, with a dead cell phone, and you NEED the job..
If you think you can comfortably afford to keep the jeep running, and work on it every other weekend, get it. If your paying your own way through school, get something reliable and get a jeep later.
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