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06-21-2011 04:52 PM
seadog And to the people concerned about my overloading. I know that I am pushing the limits. I stay in the right lane and I'm driving less than 5 miles. I keep to the minimum speed and I adjust my stopping distances.

I try to get all my supplies for a given day. Because I don't like paying labor charges for guys that are sitting around while I am making a second or third trip for materials. I have to get this house done before my wife has a coronary. Or divorces me.

I would never haul this in "stop or go traffic". Or on the Interstate. I have 3 turns and 2 stop lights. And I use way more straps than necessary.

And to the OP, I didn't know you had no manuals. If your Jeep came with a "Trailer Tow" package, than you have 3.73 gearing at a minimum. So the 200/350 lb tongue weight and 2000/3500 lb trailer weight limits apply for the JK/JKU.
06-21-2011 10:06 AM
jk'n Hay Madwick, you sparked a great discussion in a forum....you know, a place were people discuss things...so don't get your shots too bunched up. The reason for the comment(s) about the owner's manual is that is the basis for what you can do with your jeep. The manuals are now available on pdf from jeep so it is just a matter of visiting their web site and getting one. Here is a link to your manual.

When you begin a discussion about towing limits folks are pretty passionate about the capabilities of their jeeps.
06-21-2011 08:21 AM
Madwick sorry to butt back in on my thread;

1. i bought the car from a dealership and the vehicle didnt have an owner's manual
2. i was looking for a quick answer for example, 2000 lbs, 3000 lbs, etc...
3. i made the satement about the viscosity in the tranny fluid becuase i have an automatic. i know manuals use different fluid and was wanting to know the different capacity for an auto 2010 4x4 jeep wrangler so that i didnt burn up my tranny because it has a different viscosity in auto tranny fluid than manuals.

some of you need to relax a little bit and understand that not everyone is as awesome as you and sometimes need a little guidance in areas that they are unfamiliar, SHIT!!!
06-19-2011 08:33 PM
jk'n I have towed near the limit from MA to FL and to ME and all over creation between MA and ME on various vacations. I can say that on some cornering it is gnarly. Double that weight and make one mistake of not crawling around some corners, your tow load will drive you around the corner rather than the other way around....that is physics in action. The other concern is the ability of your brakes to stop the load. Less of a concern if the trailer has brakes but that still doesn't solve the tail wagging the dog effect. That is the main reason for the load limits.
06-19-2011 08:24 PM
JeeperJake re: "It has nothing to do with vehicle capabilities"

It has everything to do with what the man wearing the funny hat tells the barracuda that's going after what's left of your estate after they peel your remains off the sides of somebody's bent stuff.

I once read the story by a guy in his Ram 3500 4x4 dually that towed his deconstructed 20000# fab shop up the Mississippi, thru the NW Territories and into Alaska.....and all the preliminary set up he went through with special tires, etc. He had photos, told of the difficulty, and the various legal issues he faced.

These days I prefer to keep my own liabilities to a minimum.
06-19-2011 08:14 PM
jk'n
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Originally Posted by seadog View Post
It has nothing to do with vehicle capabilities. It has to do with how you load the trailer. I've hauled over 4000 pounds with my JK, but I have a huge flat trailer. I just have to load it backwards.

Traditional theory, says load the heaviest items to the front. Can't do that in a JK. It's too short, wheel-base wise. The heavier your tongue weight is, the lighter your front end is. It's like a reverse fulcrum (or seesaw). Pressure on the rear makes the front end lift.
Regardless how you loaded the trailer, in the US of A when you kill someone with that overloaded rig, the person's survivors get to take all your money in the law suite that results. That is why they post the limits. And I for one am happy about the fact that there is some repercussions for those who ignore the warnings and physics.

3500 lbs to 4000 lbs is not that much of an overload and you may get away with that on a JKU however on a JK depending on model, the overload is double at 4000 lbs and that is unacceptable by any measure.
06-19-2011 07:24 PM
seadog It has nothing to do with vehicle capabilities. It has to do with how you load the trailer. I've hauled over 4000 pounds with my JK, but I have a huge flat trailer. I just have to load it backwards.

Traditional theory, says load the heaviest items to the front. Can't do that in a JK. It's too short, wheel-base wise. The heavier your tongue weight is, the lighter your front end is. It's like a reverse fulcrum (or seesaw). Pressure on the rear makes the front end lift.
06-19-2011 11:25 AM
jk'n
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Originally Posted by AgtSunshine View Post
...to protect the population at large from hickabillies who try to pull 10500 lb trailer homes with old Chevy S10s.

At least that's the intent.
I'm with AgtSunshine on this one. The opposite of what we have is anarchy. In an anarchy, if it looks safe it is safe, so says I.....and I don't really care if I just killed your wife and children....they weren't very valuable anyway....they were just hikabillies. Can you imagine if that was where we were as a society.

I'm actually happy for regulation that keeps me and my family safe. If it is unjustified regulation I get to vote it out. Take the Massachusetts seat belt law. I got to vote no and they repealed it. Then, some group of bean counters put it back so that we could harvest some federal highway funds. But we can't be pulled over for it...just ticketed when we get pulled over for something else. I still think that seat-belts keep us safe and I wear one and so does anybody else who enters my jeep, just don't think we need to be mandated to wear it. I'm willing to work within the system if the regulation seems over the top. Towing limits seem a good thing. It means I must buy a capable vehicle for the weight to be towed.
06-19-2011 10:09 AM
rics1997 Glad that leaves me out. Just a hillbilly here but only a 45 minute drive to a hickabilly neighborhood.
06-19-2011 09:58 AM
AgtSunshine
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Originally Posted by rics1997

I am sure it has more to do with laws/regulation. You get a diesel that we don't get too.

A 2 dr has everything the 4 dr model does except length. So I assume there is some sort of wheel base regulation that forces them to only state 2000lb limit in the US. Because there would be no reason a 2 dr couldn't pull the same weight as a JKU and because it doesn't weigh as much as a JKU, probably could pull a little more. But on the other hand since the 2 door weighs less and has a shorter wheel base that tow weigh can pick the front wheels off the ground easier and also cause it to fish tail easier. To be a supposed free country, we here tend to force safety on our citizens a lot.
...to protect the population at large from hickabillies who try to pull 10500 lb trailer homes with old Chevy S10s.

At least that's the intent.
06-19-2011 09:34 AM
rics1997
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Originally Posted by SeaComms View Post
Still gets me stumped why they change the rating on the export models - ours 2 doors are rated at 750kg (1,650lb) for a trailer with no brakes or 1,600kg (3,500lb) for a trailer with brakes.

The JKU extends the braked trailer rating to 3000kg (6,600lb).

Must be something to do with the toilet water spinning in the opposite direction or something...
I am sure it has more to do with laws/regulation. You get a diesel that we don't get too.

A 2 dr has everything the 4 dr model does except length. So I assume there is some sort of wheel base regulation that forces them to only state 2000lb limit in the US. Because there would be no reason a 2 dr couldn't pull the same weight as a JKU and because it doesn't weigh as much as a JKU, probably could pull a little more. But on the other hand since the 2 door weighs less and has a shorter wheel base that tow weigh can pick the front wheels off the ground easier and also cause it to fish tail easier. To be a supposed free country, we here tend to force safety on our citizens a lot.
06-19-2011 06:23 AM
Scooter_Trash
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Originally Posted by SeaComms View Post
Still gets me stumped why they change the rating on the export models - ours 2 doors are rated at 750kg (1,650lb) for a trailer with no brakes or 1,600kg (3,500lb) for a trailer with brakes.

The JKU extends the braked trailer rating to 3000kg (6,600lb).

Must be something to do with the toilet water spinning in the opposite direction or something...
That's weird, I didn't know that. I'm sure it's more to do with the picnic bench front bumper and amber turn signals.
06-18-2011 11:51 PM
SeaComms Still gets me stumped why they change the rating on the export models - ours 2 doors are rated at 750kg (1,650lb) for a trailer with no brakes or 1,600kg (3,500lb) for a trailer with brakes.

The JKU extends the braked trailer rating to 3000kg (6,600lb).

Must be something to do with the toilet water spinning in the opposite direction or something...
06-18-2011 10:14 PM
seadog Jeebus.. Good rule of thumb, 200lb tongue, 2000lb trailer for a JK. 350lb tongue, 3500lb trailer for a JKU. With the right equipment. It's in the little short manual from Jeep. In your glove box. You don't have to read the big manual.

Is it me? Or did people forget how to check the manual when they buy something?

New lawnmower, coffee machine, whatever? Did you check a blog on how to to use it? Probably not.

If you look at the "stickies", most answers are there. Oh, wait... that means you have to research.
06-18-2011 06:47 PM
Scooter_Trash I tow a pop up with my JKU. By the time we are all loaded we are close to the 3500 max. I do have trailer brakes and a sway bar. Zero issues, and surprisingly no real change in gas mileage.
06-18-2011 05:59 PM
JeeperJake
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Originally Posted by j33pZ View Post
####!!!
Tow this with the JK.

Tow the other one with your actual truck for best results.
06-18-2011 05:40 PM
j33pZ
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Originally Posted by jk'n View Post
Show off!

Nice looking boat.
####!!! That aint my boat, I wish!!!!
I was just looking for something to compare to. I was testing the waters to see if anyone had any real experience with boats and trailers and could tell me how much that set up might weigh. I just thought it looked better than:
06-17-2011 10:20 PM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by Madwick View Post
sarcasm or are you being cereal?

if your serious, i knew that before hand and thats why i asked the question about the capacity. i couldn't find it in the manual or i didnt know what i was looking at/for. im only half smart...
I was dead cereal. It may not be what you meant, but what you said makes absolutley no sense.
06-17-2011 08:48 PM
jk'n Show off!

Nice looking boat.
06-17-2011 08:29 PM
j33pZ I dont think its a silly question, because I found myself asking the same question. It seems like there is contradictory info out there, and everybody probably wants to make sure they do things correctly.

I think the mgola27 is correct about actual weight.

One thing I have yet to determine--- how much does THIS weigh??
06-17-2011 10:12 AM
Madwick
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Originally Posted by daggo66 View Post
Exactly where did you come across that brilliant tidbit of information?
sarcasm or are you being cereal?

if your serious, i knew that before hand and thats why i asked the question about the capacity. i couldn't find it in the manual or i didnt know what i was looking at/for. im only half smart...
06-17-2011 09:12 AM
jk'n I tow 3000 with mine and so far no issues with braking. It has done well. I'm still interested in adding ebrakes to it though.
06-17-2011 09:04 AM
Peepers
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Originally Posted by volfireman07 View Post
Its not the towing, it's the whoa-ing that will get you.
Or the stopping...

I have an HD 2500 truck. Towing a 3000lb trailer I can get brake fade. thats scary when you step on the pedal and almost nothing happens... I could only imagine it being it worse in a vehicle 2/3 the size of my truck...

I've also towed an improperly loaded trailer for a very short time... one big bump and the truck kept going straight through a turn...

I now double check every time I tow something...
06-17-2011 08:38 AM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by Madwick View Post
lol. well thanks for all the feedback ladies! i understand the viscosity in your tranny fluid can get burned up while "over-towing".
Exactly where did you come across that brilliant tidbit of information?
06-17-2011 08:11 AM
Madwick lol. well thanks for all the feedback ladies! i understand the viscosity in your tranny fluid can get burned up while "over-towing". being that my 2010 jku has just hit 1200 miles im trying to stay away from frying my gears! between a boat and a random car tow, i should be fine!
06-17-2011 06:45 AM
volfireman07 Its not the towing, it's the whoa-ing that will get you.
06-16-2011 01:08 PM
jk'n I just found out for other purposes (spacers) that insurance does cover stupidity. If someone gets hurt they cover up to the insured amount for liabilities. Beyond that, you are on your own. Depending on how stupid the stupidity is, you may be in debt for the remainder of your life. There are also criminal laws that protect us from stupid that others do upon us and they may apply in cases when we do something really stupid like maybe tow double the capacity....I think that may be a relative gray area. In any case, when something bad happens, the law will investigate and the courts will determine just how stupid we were in any given situation. They will either award money or money and time or just time (jail). One other thing is that even if you escape totally debt free and still in possession of all of your time (no jail) you may find it difficult to find an insurance company willing to insure you. Did I cover all of the bases?

Just in case you are wondering, yes there is sarcasm in the use of the term stupid and yes, I include myself in its use because I can't be smart all the time. Stupid comes to me in fits and spurts. I try to limit it to nothing but my brain sometimes doesn't cooperate. Yes, I'm educated beyond high school but am not immune to this facet of life.



Conclusion: It is important to look up the information and make an effort to get it right.
06-16-2011 12:45 PM
daggo66 It goes way beyond that. If you are towing over capacity and get in an accident, your insurance may not cover you.
06-16-2011 12:43 PM
Off Road King I have a 09 JK, and I've manged to pull around 3,500lbs(give or take), put my front end was a little high, and it was a camper stuck down on the beach and our truck kept grounding out, so I juts hooked up and after a while actually got it moving, but once again, the trailer was real tongue heavy, which didn't help. It just depends how much you are willing to stress the engine and frame.
06-16-2011 12:40 PM
mgola27 Also, found this on Jeep's website:
Jeep Towing/Payload Comparison | Jeep.com

Looks like 3,500 across the board.

Good to go!
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