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09-14-2007 07:34 AM
sgnellett
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Originally Posted by Odhinn View Post
This argument is ongoing in our house. I guess everyone in my circle of friends worked their butts off to make something of themselves. I personally have worked from age 15, the only breaks were when I was between jobs. I also had 2 jobs while I went to tech school to get my automotive certs so I could improve my existence and not work as a shelf stocker at K-Mart my whole life. Working hard to earn what you get is very satisfying and something to be proud of. I feel alot of (not all) the kid today and even some older adults from other generations want things handed to them like they deserve everything we, hard working adults that have worked 15+ years, have earned. I see quite a few kids (loosely used term not grouping everyone in the younger crowd) hire in at my work place that have no clue what real work is. I even walked in on a conversation about a year ago that involved something like "Man I deserve to have the weekend off, for the 4 months I have worked here I have been on time every day. My bros are throwing a party. I think I am going to call in sick so I can get trashed." I laughed and informed him that my 11 years of seniority didn't give me an option to get holidays off because we are a 24-7-365 service and what made him think he deserved any more with only 4 months of service. The problem I see isn't the newest generation. It is the way our society has put more importance on play and fun over responsibility and need. Every civilization that has placed fun and games in the front line had degraded to extinction and we will not be the exception if we don't put things back in line. Just to clarify, a football/sports player is not a hero and should not be placed on a pedestal within our society. Movies stars act to make money they are nothing more then entertainment for the masses, some do good for America and her people but a bigger percentage of them are people that I personally would not give any of my time to. Until we get our priorities straight and put responsibility, honor, and integrity in front of fun and games we will continue degrade into a slacker nation.

To keep with the origianal poster. I was told something by a respected member of my family.
If you lend money to a friend, it will end your friendship. Before lending any money out get a written contract even with family.

Rant off, I feel better now and am headed to enjoy my hard earned day off with the top down and the doors off
Wow, well said!! I especially agree with the part about athletes and actors, just because we see them, it does not make them role models, in fact, most are good for one thing, examples of how NOT to turn out!

09-14-2007 07:16 AM
Odhinn This argument is ongoing in our house. I guess everyone in my circle of friends worked their butts off to make something of themselves. I personally have worked from age 15, the only breaks were when I was between jobs. I also had 2 jobs while I went to tech school to get my automotive certs so I could improve my existence and not work as a shelf stocker at K-Mart my whole life. Working hard to earn what you get is very satisfying and something to be proud of. I feel alot of (not all) the kid today and even some older adults from other generations want things handed to them like they deserve everything we, hard working adults that have worked 15+ years, have earned. I see quite a few kids (loosely used term not grouping everyone in the younger crowd) hire in at my work place that have no clue what real work is. I even walked in on a conversation about a year ago that involved something like "Man I deserve to have the weekend off, for the 4 months I have worked here I have been on time every day. My bros are throwing a party. I think I am going to call in sick so I can get trashed." I laughed and informed him that my 11 years of seniority didn't give me an option to get holidays off because we are a 24-7-365 service and what made him think he deserved any more with only 4 months of service. The problem I see isn't the newest generation. It is the way our society has put more importance on play and fun over responsibility and need. Every civilization that has placed fun and games in the front line had degraded to extinction and we will not be the exception if we don't put things back in line. Just to clarify, a football/sports player is not a hero and should not be placed on a pedestal within our society. Movies stars act to make money they are nothing more then entertainment for the masses, some do good for America and her people but a bigger percentage of them are people that I personally would not give any of my time to. Until we get our priorities straight and put responsibility, honor, and integrity in front of fun and games we will continue degrade into a slacker nation.

To keep with the origianal poster. I was told something by a respected member of my family.
If you lend money to a friend, it will end your friendship. Before lending any money out get a written contract even with family.

Rant off, I feel better now and am headed to enjoy my hard earned day off with the top down and the doors off
09-14-2007 01:21 AM
drummerwookie
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Originally Posted by Triple88a View Post
How about that rubi of yours?
thats a whole long story there..lol...dont have it anymore...its a very angering situation actually...if you want to hear about it, let me know and ill PM you
09-13-2007 08:41 PM
Triple88a
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Originally Posted by drummerwookie View Post
lol..well i dont have any extra cars to sell at the moment.
How about that rubi of yours?
09-13-2007 08:38 PM
drummerwookie
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Originally Posted by Simple Scout View Post
Good idea. Now don't go off and sell them a car on the "Easy Wookie Payment Plan".
lol..well i dont have any extra cars to sell at the moment. altho, when i get my cherokee, ill sell my eclipse just to get rid of that car payment. but none of my friends would want it..lol...hell i dont want it any more, i just want to get a jeep again, i need another jeep.

anyways, didnt mean to stray off topic on my own thread. well, come to think of it, it is MY thread so i can stray off topic if i want to i suppose...hm
09-13-2007 05:28 PM
Scout
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Originally Posted by drummerwookie View Post
yea, ive got plenty of other good friends. they all are friend that i either wheel with and/or shoot guns with. they are friends that i would trust my life with. infact, im going to go hang out with a few of them tonight.
Good idea. Now don't go off and sell them a car on the "Easy Wookie Payment Plan".
09-13-2007 05:18 PM
drummerwookie
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Originally Posted by Simple Scout View Post
Well the bottom line is it just cost you $ 100 to realize you've made a poor choice in choosing friends. Kiss your $ 100 good bye and find someone else to hang out with.

yea, ive got plenty of other good friends. they all are friend that i either wheel with and/or shoot guns with. they are friends that i would trust my life with. infact, im going to go hang out with a few of them tonight.
09-13-2007 05:09 PM
Scout Well the bottom line is it just cost you $ 100 to realize you've made a poor choice in choosing friends. Kiss your $ 100 good bye and find someone else to hang out with.
09-13-2007 04:52 PM
Dare2BSquare
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Originally Posted by bluvikng View Post
I am sorry if I offended anyone. It is not fair to put everyone in the same category. I know that some of you were raised right, with integrity, pride, and honor. I should not have grouped, or pigeon holed anyone. It just seems to be so prevalent, in todays society, to not take any responsibility, and that really stinks. *End of my rant*........
That's why Judge Judy makes so much cash!!!
09-12-2007 10:35 PM
RIPBiker13 OMG I said something right!? This is the greatest day of my life until tomorrow when I order my lift...
09-12-2007 10:33 PM
Triple88a I have to agree w/ ripbiker here. I'm the same way.
09-12-2007 10:26 PM
RIPBiker13 My Fiance gave me $4500 so I could buy my Jeep. I wouldn't buy anything or DO anything until I payed her back. It was a huge risk for her but she trusted me and I would not betray her. I have needed money before and my best friend gave me $400 and he just told me to pay him back when I got it this was some time ago) and I did as quickly as I could. I'm sorry but I don't think there are many good excuses to try to scimp out on anything if you say you will. But I've always been a man of my word, and I live by that. just my .02
09-12-2007 10:10 PM
bernm8r Yea I have a buddy that is a big slacker. Years ago (damn near 20 by now) He was kicked out of his house by his dad for I guess not following the rules or contributing or doing chores I forget. he was 16 then. He moved in with me and my dad saw right through his crap when he asked him to help with some yard work. that night my father says to me ":Your friend has to go he is no feckin good" in his old irish brogue. SO needless to say he moved in with another buddy and has been there ever since living in the basement quit his fair decent paying government job (actually was fired for failure to show up for 2 months, you know government jobs almost impossible to get fired) He now sits around calling people during working hours to lament his sad life. I can hardly look at him never mind talking to him. He sponges off my buddy who had to move back home after his father died because his mother could not afford the mortgage any more, and this POS is not paying rent and asking for money to cover his insulin because he is diabetic. Pathetic, smoking dope all day and not even able to get to work on time for the 6 pm shift, got fired from that one to. Just to tie this to the thread I have GIVEN him a car to get to work and he just let it rot away in the yard do not even get me started on just basic maintenace of vehicle useless SOB. Thanks for my rant.
09-12-2007 09:49 PM
OdhinnsChick
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Originally Posted by Levinoss View Post
I was thinking about this the other day.

People fail to see that there are slackers and scumballs with every generation, only less because there are less people in each generation correct? More and more people people are born with each generation, thats why it seems like a generation is worse then the past but in reality is about the same with the past generations as well. MHM?

Just thinking out loud.

~Lev
I'm no statistics major but seems logical to me.
09-12-2007 09:44 PM
Levinoss I was thinking about this the other day.

People fail to see that there are slackers and scumballs with every generation, only less because there are less people in each generation correct? More and more people people are born with each generation, thats why it seems like a generation is worse then the past but in reality is about the same with the past generations as well. MHM?

Just thinking out loud.

~Lev
09-12-2007 09:36 PM
OdhinnsChick
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Originally Posted by bluvikng View Post
I am sorry if I offended anyone. It is not fair to put everyone in the same category. I know that some of you were raised right, with integrity, pride, and honor. I should not have grouped, or pigeon holed anyone. It just seems to be so prevalent, in todays society, to not take any responsibility, and that really stinks. *End of my rant*........
Didn't offend me at all. I just don't want anyone to think I'm like that kid!
09-12-2007 09:34 PM
drummerwookie
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Originally Posted by kbak303 View Post
been there, done that...didn't even get a t-shirt out of the deal..

weird thing too...same scenario...used s-10...he owed me money..he drops out of sight..never talk to him..i see the truck like 8 months later at an auction...they got $800 for it, and i found out they gave him $600 on trade in...i've run into him a few times over the years, he never mentions it...

it sucks,but i guess if you learned, cause i sure did

i think because it's a friend thing they feel like 'oh he'll understand' or something...i'm not sure they MEAN to take advantage..but they end up doing so and it sucks

he ever talk to you again about it yet, since you called the cousin...
?
i never did talk to his cousin, he was just living with her for a while. the one i talked to today was his brother, who has been like a brother to me, but hes not much better when it comes to keeping jobs or being trusting with money. infact, hes worse at keeping jobs...one year he went thru about 6 jobs or something like that...would work for no more then a week, then just walk out
09-12-2007 09:30 PM
Levinoss
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Originally Posted by bluvikng View Post
I am sorry if I offended anyone. It is not fair to put everyone in the same category. I know that some of you were raised right, with integrity, pride, and honor. I should not have grouped, or pigeon holed anyone. It just seems to be so prevalent, in todays society, to not take any responsibility, and that really stinks. *End of my rant*........
What about our responses surprised you?

Theres still afew people raised right in this world.

~Lev
09-12-2007 09:27 PM
bluvikng I am sorry if I offended anyone. It is not fair to put everyone in the same category. I know that some of you were raised right, with integrity, pride, and honor. I should not have grouped, or pigeon holed anyone. It just seems to be so prevalent, in todays society, to not take any responsibility, and that really stinks. *End of my rant*........
09-12-2007 09:23 PM
Levinoss
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Originally Posted by bluvikng View Post
Your responces surprise me.......what ever happened to integrity? I would go without food, in order to pay someone back, if I barrowed money from them. People just don't have any ethics anymore. My sons friends are exactly like the ones you gave the car too. They change jobs more often than some people change underware. It is sad that that is what the new generation, is all about. No loyalty, no pride, no work ethics, no damn class.
I dont get it, are you talking about us not having loyalty and pride? Or the guy?

Also why are you surprised by our responses?

~Lev
09-12-2007 09:19 PM
kbak303 been there, done that...didn't even get a t-shirt out of the deal..

weird thing too...same scenario...used s-10...he owed me money..he drops out of sight..never talk to him..i see the truck like 8 months later at an auction...they got $800 for it, and i found out they gave him $600 on trade in...i've run into him a few times over the years, he never mentions it...

it sucks,but i guess if you learned, cause i sure did

i think because it's a friend thing they feel like 'oh he'll understand' or something...i'm not sure they MEAN to take advantage..but they end up doing so and it sucks

he ever talk to you again about it yet, since you called the cousin...
?
09-12-2007 09:13 PM
drummerwookie
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Originally Posted by bluvikng View Post
Your responces surprise me.......what ever happened to integrity? I would go without food, in order to pay someone back, if I barrowed money from them. People just don't have any ethics anymore. My sons friends are exactly like the ones you gave the car too. They change jobs more often than some people change underware. It is sad that that is what the new generation, is all about. No loyalty, no pride, no work ethics, no damn class.
im the same as you. if i ever borrowed money for something, i make sure first time i have that money, that person gets it back. for example, i was wheeling one day when i had my ZJ, and i busted a shock. well, i didnt have a debit card or credit card then, and i didnt have any cash on me. so my buddy i was wheeling with gave me 50 bucks to go into town and get 2 new ones so both rear shocks were the same. the very next day i paid him back bc i went to the bank as soon as it opened to get the cash out i owed him. hell, that same guy trusts me so much he told me if i found a jeep cheap enough, that he would loan me the money, but i told him im not the kinda person to ask a friend for money for a car...if i ask to borrow that much money, its only going to be for a life or death situation, not for a car
09-12-2007 09:11 PM
OdhinnsChick
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Originally Posted by bluvikng View Post
Your responces surprise me.......what ever happened to integrity? I would go without food, in order to pay someone back, if I barrowed money from them. People just don't have any ethics anymore. My sons friends are exactly like the ones you gave the car too. They change jobs more often than some people change underware. It is sad that that is what the new generation, is all about. No loyalty, no pride, no work ethics, no damn class.
Well I guess we all just assumed the kid had none. :/ But please, don't clump my whole generation into the same category as kids like this. I'm sure his parents never taught him the importance of honor and integrity.
09-12-2007 09:07 PM
bluvikng Your responces surprise me.......what ever happened to integrity? I would go without food, in order to pay someone back, if I barrowed money from them. People just don't have any ethics anymore. My sons friends are exactly like the ones you gave the car too. They change jobs more often than some people change underware. It is sad that that is what the new generation, is all about. No loyalty, no pride, no work ethics, no damn class.
09-12-2007 09:03 PM
Levinoss
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Originally Posted by drummerwookie View Post
no. thats why im just saying its a lesson learned until he does give me the money for it, if he does what can i say, im to trusting.


Yea, dont feel bad Im too trusting for my own good as well. I'll PM you something that happend to me last year.

~Lev
09-12-2007 09:01 PM
drummerwookie
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Originally Posted by Levinoss View Post
Do you still have the title?

~Lev

no. thats why im just saying its a lesson learned until he does give me the money for it, if he does what can i say, im to trusting.
09-12-2007 08:27 PM
OdhinnsChick Dave Ramsey always says...the borrower is slave to the lender. No one wants to be a slave, or be friends with a slaver. =P
09-12-2007 07:45 PM
Texapple
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Originally Posted by Levinoss View Post
Thats why I dont give stuff to friends and expect to be paid back.

~Lev
you are a wise man.....
__________________________________________________

There are 2 issues here that is blending and making things grey. This is my view: You have a long history together and are aware of their past behaviors. My experience is that one should do for others, for the goodness of the act.....people run into heart ache when they do for others with an expectation of a "return".

Your choices were:
* to "make a deal", knowing that you may get shafted and accept that possibility
* or make it a business transaction with a contract, providing some kind of leagl recourse (if you chose to act) when payments weren't made

Drummer
you were trying to help him out, and that's ok......don't be discouraged
learn a life lesson, try to let it go and move on
09-12-2007 07:41 PM
iamagolfspaz Neither a borrower nor a lender be!
09-12-2007 07:22 PM
Levinoss
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Originally Posted by drummerwookie View Post
well, like i said, hes a huge slacker. and he was living with his cousin when the bills came up, and she just wanted him to help pay for a few things, which i can understand. but then he quites his job. like i said, no sence of responsibility.
Do you still have the title?

~Lev
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