|12-15-2013 10:48 PM|
I had the DW after installing 2.5 lift. as soon as the Jeep hit 50 miles, the DW kik-in.
I changed the steering dumper, but no luck. I changed the tires (need to be changed any way) with wheel alignment / balanced ... DW disappear ...
|12-02-2013 11:45 AM|
|12-02-2013 11:14 AM|
|12-01-2013 07:19 PM|
In an attempt to fix my death wobble today I took the jeep to get an alignment. That seems to have checked out, but, on my way home I got some violent shaking around 45.
I do hear some "clunking" when turning from a stop like backing out of a spot and three point turning. Is this indicative of the front trac being lose/not torqued down correctly? Upon checking when I got home, there was nothing lose on the steering linkage, but, the front trac had a little play on it.
I've been running into some issues torquing the bolts down to spec. I'm not sure how common it is, but, my year D44 apparently has this tab system for the axle side mount.
Are there any suggestions as far as supporting or holding that tab solid while torquing it to spec? I'd rather not depend on the tab pressing against the axel housing, that seems like a great way to get it to snap. Any suggestions? I've also seen the spec is 40 ft/lbs, but the kit suggests 75 ft/lbs, which is it? I've heard (I think here) this stock bolt may snap above 40 ft/lbs.
Since I am not sure if it's the axle side that's the issue, here is the driver's side connection to the body:
Does that angle look correct? I'm having a serious issue getting the torque wrench in this space to get it to spec. Any suggestions?
Overall, am I correct in assuming that a lose front trac bar could create a "clunking" sound when turning the wheel a bit when starting to get moving?
|12-01-2013 10:47 AM|
People who torque bolts with the suspension drooped (ie on a car lift) or who fail to loosen all control arm and trackbar bolts for a lift install have their bushing preloaded/twisting/binding to a non-neutral position at ride height. This results in premature bushing failure and contributes to death wobble.
|11-30-2013 11:00 AM|
I am learning a lot on this forum, thanks everyone!
|11-30-2013 10:55 AM|
|11-26-2013 11:26 PM|
Thanks planman, your posts over the course of this thread were very helpful. I did notice a lot of references to the trackbar. It was hard to pick one suspect part from so many of the posts claiming new rotors or ball joints or whatever fixed the issue. So I think I got it. Keep an eye on the trackbar, make sure tires are balanced, and alignment is correct. Periodic inspections of the peripherals to ensure their serviceability and everything should be good. I think I will still stay away from a lift until I better understand how to make it work correctly. Time for more reading.
That was very informative, thanks.
|11-26-2013 10:39 PM|
Insufficiently torqued trackbar bolts or worn axle side trackbar end.
Leads to ovaling of the axle side trackbar bracket hole.
Leads to wobbles that damage the drag link and tie rod ends.
Leads to premature wear of the lower ball joints.
Leads to destruction of the control arm and trackbar bushings.
Leads to premature failure of the unit bearings.
Leads to premature failure of the steering stabilizer.
The common link for lifted jeeps is that people don't loosen all the trackbar and control arm bolts and wait to retorque the bolts until after the full weight of the vehicle is back on the ground at the new ride height. As a result, the softer control arm and trackbar bushings are twisted/pre-loaded/binding to the wrong ride height, resulting in premature bushing failure.
Additionally, people don't maintain their jeeps properly, which requires periodically retorquing suspension bolts--particularly the trackbar bolts at every oil change frequency.
Many run unbalanced tires or poor alignments that result in vibrations and shimmies that work bolts loose and cause bushing damage.
|11-26-2013 09:36 PM|
Best thing I can suggest is make sure you have a propper alignment keep up with tire rotations and balanced tires, I check alignment (my toe in) every other rotation
|11-26-2013 07:28 PM|
|jherrington||My DW didn't come until 340k miles. That's when I rotated my tires without getting them balanced.. Bad idea.|
|11-26-2013 07:07 PM|
As I was reading all those posts, I started to look for a common link. But really couldn't find one. People who experience(d) this issue had very new and low mileage ones, lifted ones, older ones, stock ones, etc, etc. No one trait that linked them all together. I agree that this thread is a catch basin for the problem, thus magnifying it, but how many are out there that did not post here?
You have a Jeep with 250K and never had this problem. What are you doing different? What advice can you give to others to avoid it? I was (repeat, WAS) considering adding a lift kit of some type. Now I am not so sure this is a prudent thing to do to it. Are there any others out there with lift kits that have not had this problem and if so, what did you do differently?
|11-26-2013 05:11 PM|
|11-26-2013 04:58 PM|
|paratrooper34||I just read this entire thread, all 29 pages. I just purchased a 2003 TJ Sport. Haven't driven it other than dealer test drive. I have to say this thread just scared the crap out of me! I am now second guessing my purchase. Hope to hell I don't have this issue.|
|11-17-2013 11:29 AM|
|11-17-2013 10:36 AM|
Has anyone had any luck with Chrysler apying for anyof th daeth wobble fixes?? I don'y understand why they kepp insatlloing parts that ae obviously defetive over time.
|11-14-2013 11:41 PM|
|11-12-2013 12:33 AM|
The stabilizer won't do anything to your alignment. You don't have death wobble if you think your steering stabilizer is going to mask if. You have a wheel shimmy. Death wobble is a VIOLENT shaking of the jeep where you feel like you're going to lose control. When I say violent, I mean, you'll shit your pants. The first time it happened to me I was scared as hell.
I wouldn't bet on bad wheel bearings causing your vibes though. Go get your tires rotated, balanced, an aligned(you can do it yourself you know). If you still have vibes then you've likely got worn steering components.
|11-11-2013 11:32 PM|
Man this is a very long thread.. so I'm sure this has been asked before. But it will take me a week to read all the advice in this thread.
I have the infamous death wobble. Read the linked site, pretty much had read all of it on this forum already, wish I had read the sticky earlier... :P
Anyway, I think my issue might be caused by bad wheel bearing on my passenger side. So here's my plan...
Rotate the tires, while I have the tires off replace the wheel bearings on both passenger and driver front.
If the above doesn't take care of the death wobble, then I plan to take it to a shop to get the tires balanced and get an alignment.
So here's my question? I don't want to put the steering stabilizer on because I have death wobble and I don't want to mask it. However, I'm pretty sure it should be put on before getting an alignment.
So what do most do in this situation? Put it on get the alignment, take it back off see if the wobble is gone?
|10-31-2013 05:47 PM|
|Jeep Freak83||I had the same issue as November 3 Zero. I changed out my tires and got a front end alignment done. No more DW and she runs great at high speeds.|
|10-29-2013 06:24 PM|
|Novmber 3 Zero||
I went from ruined 30 inch tires to brand new 31x10.5 AT/BFG's last week and my DW has vanished.
In fact she seems more stable than ever at speeds over 55.
When the guy at the shop asked me if I wanted a free alignment I was like, HELL NO DUDE! My DW is gone and I'm not going to do anything to risk it coming back
She is happy, so I am happy!
|10-23-2013 02:04 AM|
Replaced track bar and greased everything
re-connected sway bar
new steering stabilizer
rotated tires (front right was cupped)
hopefully it is now gone.
|10-20-2013 07:02 PM|
|LaxLife||New tires. New arms. DW gone for me|
|10-04-2013 11:30 AM|
As mentioned above I had legit death wobble after picking up my 2006 TJ with about 60k on it. I bought it from my father in law so Iíve driven it sporadically since it was new, and while the suspension has gotten sloppier over the years (it was essentially a ranch truck, driven to town and back with lots of service on dirt rounds around the ranch, regular maintenance, but no suspension repairs or work), I hadnít yet experienced true DW. I would have liked to have been able to take it one step at a time to see what the fix may have been, but there were a bunch of worn suspension parts and so I ended up tackling a whole bunch of issues at once. As of now, Iím DW free, so something I did stopped it from happening, whether a fix or patch remains to be seen I guess. The tires are probably ĺ or more through their life, although not dead yet, I think Iíll replace them before the winter, theyíre Cooper Discoverer S/T. I havenít driven on them enough to have an opinion, leaning towards GY Duratrac as a replacement since Iíve heard they have good winter traction and I like the aggressive look.
Hereís what I did:
1. Alignment (this was much needed as it was way off spec)
2. Balanced tires (apparently they were fine, also confirmed that thereís a reasonable amount of weight/balance on each)
3. Replaced Track bar and bushings with an adjustable set up (in case I want to lift in the future). The bushings were shot on the old one.
4. Replaced front tie rod
5. Replaced steering dampner, went with a beefier one
6. Replaced rear end links
|10-03-2013 04:41 PM|
|Rustler||I just bought my TJ at the end of the summer, and thank god I'd read about death wobble before experiencing it because it's a whole lot less scary when you're expecting it. Good info here. I'll share my experience dealing with it.|
|09-18-2013 08:54 PM|
|Ttouch||Death woble is a good name for this.|
|09-17-2013 11:02 AM|
|scoutab||I have the death wobble the past few weeks getting pretty bad goin to go pick up some trackbar bushing hope that fixes it|
|09-10-2013 12:51 PM|
|Edsquared||The wobble on my 2006 LJ Rubicon was really bad, even at 45 mph. I replaced the track bar bushing at the axle end of the bar, and the wobble has been gone ever since. I used the cheaper plastic one instead of the rubber style. If there is a next time, I think I'll spend a few extra bucks and go with the rubber design.|
|09-08-2013 11:38 PM|
Jack up one tire and try to turn it. See if there is any play in your steering components.
|09-08-2013 11:25 PM|
Question about DW.
2005 LJ automatic 150k when purchased in APR 2013
Stock with no lift.
No issues with the 31in Michelin LTX m/s
but when I had them put a used set (my tires i purchased brand new a few yrs earlier maybe put 15k on'em....tread is perfect) 31in Destination A/T
So, after the new tire mounting, balance and alignment I get DW around 62-66
This is a violent shaking.....I can stay around 60 with no issues but no faster.
Before these tires i could go much faster with no issues.
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