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09-22-2007 11:32 AM
Odhinn
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Originally Posted by skeeter View Post
It's been awhile since I was in history class but, I wasn't aware that the south declared war on America. I was under the impression the south decided they were no longer being well represented by their membership in the United states and so decided to leave the union.
There's no provision in the Constitution empowering the federal government to force states to remain in the union. Lincoln was even warned by the Supreme court that he had no authority to wage a war against the south to force them to remain but he did it anyway.
X2 except I was in US history and US GOVT 2 semesters ago.
I was wondering when someone would say something about this.

Keeping on topic I think that the whole situation is going to boil over and discust most people on both sides. That seems to be what happens when extremists get involved in situations. Bottom line, someone was assaulted. The perps should be prosecuted along with a non-biased investigation of all the events that lead up to this deed.
09-22-2007 11:19 AM
skeeter It's been awhile since I was in history class but, I wasn't aware that the south declared war on America. I was under the impression the south decided they were no longer being well represented by their membership in the United states and so decided to leave the union.
There's no provision in the Constitution empowering the federal government to force states to remain in the union. Lincoln was even warned by the Supreme court that he had no authority to wage a war against the south to force them to remain but he did it anyway.


09-22-2007 08:16 AM
rebelBullDawg325
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Originally Posted by priell3 View Post
Idiot statement of the year on Mychal Bell, one of the Jena 6 with a prior criminal record -

"He doesn't want anything done that would disparage his name - no violence, not even a negative word," Sharpton said.
did he really say this? even after he just helped jump someone? he may should be jailed for that
09-22-2007 07:50 AM
Levinoss
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Originally Posted by sgnellett View Post
As for the confederate flag, I have had an issue with that for a long time, and nothing to do with race. I consider myself a patriot, and in my opinion, that flag is an enemy flag, that of a nation which attempted to destroy this country, and came closer to doing so than any other war we have fought in. I have asked my representatives in Washington, DC (to no avail, I might add) to introduce legislation either banning or restricting the display of a nations flag which has declared war on the US. Symbolic, I know, but hey, what can I say, I'm just a big softie!
If you really wana get down to it, the reason why we are in such a shit hole today with states not having their own rights is because of the north, but then again the north did invade the south, occupied the south, destroyed homes and farms in the south. Hell the french and brits wanted to help the south. *shrug*

So wrong to fly a flag that wanted rights for the states? Not in my opinion

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which attempted to destroy this country
Sorry I had to laugh at that, care to explain? So we dont get totally off topic just send me a PM.



~Lev
09-22-2007 07:26 AM
sgnellett Yeah, I find it interesting that no one is protesting the fact that the prosecutor couldn't charge the white kids for anything because it isn't illegal to throw a rope over a tree. If it is such a heinous act that deserves such retribution, why isn't there a law against it? Oh yeah, somebody already mentioned it, because it's a ROPE!!!!! Rope is not a symbol, it's a rope, dumbass! If everyone wasn't so worried about being a victim all the time, we might have some progress on this issue! If any of these 6 little hardcases really had a set, instead of waiting to jump one kid 6 on 1, they should have walked up and taken the damn nooses out of the tree and confronted the kids sitting there!

As for the confederate flag, I have had an issue with that for a long time, and nothing to do with race. I consider myself a patriot, and in my opinion, that flag is an enemy flag, that of a nation which attempted to destroy this country, and came closer to doing so than any other war we have fought in. I have asked my representatives in Washington, DC (to no avail, I might add) to introduce legislation either banning or restricting the display of a nations flag which has declared war on the US. Symbolic, I know, but hey, what can I say, I'm just a big softie!
09-22-2007 03:29 AM
1BLKJP
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Originally Posted by rebelBullDawg325 View Post
and yes, i'm glad they didnt let him out. you cant expect to get off easy bc the reason you did the crime. personally i think we should get a ton of whites to go down to jena and march for the 6 to be kept in jail for their crime.
If I wasn't over 2000 miles away I'd be down there with you in a heartbeat.
09-21-2007 10:54 PM
rebelBullDawg325 LEv, i've also been hesitant to get the top you're talkin about. bc i go to a college thats majority (barely but still is) black. and i work downtown where our shop is in a majority black neighboorhood. i dont mean anyhate at all when i fly the flag, but other people think it does and would do something about it.

and yes, i'm glad they didnt let him out. you cant expect to get off easy bc the reason you did the crime. personally i think we should get a ton of whites to go down to jena and march for the 6 to be kept in jail for their crime.
09-21-2007 04:43 PM
1BLKJP
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Originally Posted by Levinoss View Post
Quoted for emphasis

I really want to get the confederate bikini top and spare tire cover for my jeep but am afraid to do so. Sad aint it?

~Lev
Don't be afraid bro, it's HERITAGE NOT HATE.

Saw they denied that boy bail today. GOOD
09-21-2007 02:58 PM
Levinoss
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Originally Posted by rebelBullDawg325 View Post
if you really think about it. a noose isnt a "racist hate symobl" anyways. nooses have probably hung more whtie people than blacks. the racial hate, is a tag put on it by some people. now yes, obviously in this case, it was meant towards the black students whop sat under the tree, but truely and seriously its just like the confederate flag. which many white southerners still fly today, and has unfortunately been taken away by many state governments. that flag never stood for racism or slavery and still doesnt today. black people put he conotation of slavery and racism on it. so therefore, any white person flying the flag must be racist.

thats why technically they cant be punioshed for hanging a noose. a noose is a just a rop with a slip not in it. the government cant control what people feel that a rope symbolizes, and cant punish people because other people think its means something derogatory. if this was the case, i'd like to sue FUBU bc i dont like it
Quoted for emphasis

I really want to get the confederate bikini top and spare tire cover for my jeep but am afraid to do so. Sad aint it?

~Lev
09-21-2007 02:55 PM
rebelBullDawg325
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Originally Posted by 1BLKJP View Post
Now I also read today that the prosecutor in the town said he tried to find any law that he could charge them white kids with for the rope crap but there wasn't anything. Now I'm better that there will be hate crime laws on the books in the city/county/state within 6 months.
if you really think about it. a noose isnt a "racist hate symobl" anyways. nooses have probably hung more whtie people than blacks. the racial hate, is a tag put on it by some people. now yes, obviously in this case, it was meant towards the black students whop sat under the tree, but truely and seriously its just like the confederate flag. which many white southerners still fly today, and has unfortunately been taken away by many state governments. that flag never stood for racism or slavery and still doesnt today. black people put he conotation of slavery and racism on it. so therefore, any white person flying the flag must be racist.

thats why technically they cant be punioshed for hanging a noose. a noose is a just a rop with a slip not in it. the government cant control what people feel that a rope symbolizes, and cant punish people because other people think its means something derogatory. if this was the case, i'd like to sue FUBU bc i dont like it
09-21-2007 07:21 AM
priell3 The 6 should be punished as well as anyone else, regarless of race. By the mentality of these protesters, after 6 black high school kids assaulted by 12 year old son and stole his cell phone, I should have gone out and shot a black person.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Idiot statement of the year on Mychal Bell, one of the Jena 6 with a prior criminal record -

"He doesn't want anything done that would disparage his name - no violence, not even a negative word," Sharpton said.
09-20-2007 10:51 PM
1BLKJP I've read many many stories on this issue and I'm in agreement with all of you. The boys should get the book thrown at them. If I'm remembering right this did happen on school grounds. Now where I come from in Kansas no matter what you did if you started a fight on school grounds you were arrested and charged with assault. There was a zero tolerance violence policy. One should be in place at any school no matter what. It's by far time to stop this violence among kids in schools. I don't care if they all have to wear uniforms and have all electronics banned in every school. They aren't there for that shit. They are there to learn.

Now I also read today that the prosecutor in the town said he tried to find any law that he could charge them white kids with for the rope crap but there wasn't anything. Now I'm better that there will be hate crime laws on the books in the city/county/state within 6 months.
09-20-2007 10:39 PM
Redrubicon2004 Now that AL and Jessie are down there, The kids wont get a "fair" trail. you know what I mean.

I think it should go to supreme court, get away from all the small town jury.


They complain about the all white jury? 50 out of 150 that were supposed to be there for jury duty? How many of the 100 that didnt show up were the black jury members they wanted?
09-20-2007 10:09 PM
03wrangler dont even get me started on this i know i will just ended up making someone mad. as long as there is white and black people in this world like sharpton this crap will never go away. it will be a never ending he said she said bs fight. and i agree with redbulldawg325 if it was the other way around he would want to have there heads on a pike in the front of the school to be used as an example.
09-20-2007 09:57 PM
02Prove I completely agree that the 6 black kids should be charged with assault. However, going by the stories on the news there are white kids that should be charged with the same because of what happened at a fair barn party. There was also another highschool kid pulled a pistol grip shotgun on some black kids in front of a store.

The whole thing is a mess. Like I said... if we're going to blindly throw Justice around, let's do it in all directions. Convict everyone involved on both sides equally.

...but dear lord get Al and Jesse away from there. They are going to do more harm than good for both blacks and whites. They make a living off racial tension and keeping people amped up.
09-20-2007 09:07 PM
Levinoss I wrote out a long post but deleted it

Everyone should be punished for assault end of story, black white green gray yellow.

I was jumped in junior high at the bike rack because I had a cool cellphone thing and yet I get in more trouble for fighting back? Because the one sitting on my chest and was the closest one that I could throw a punch at was black I was labeled racist. 6 vs 1 and im the one wrong? RIGHT

Racism exists on all sides, all are wrong, all need to grow the hell up and get a life.

end of story

~Lev
09-20-2007 08:49 PM
2much I am hesitant to opine on this subject, but I do have strong feelings about it and I am originaly from a small town in south Mississippi that is probably very similiar to the town of Jena. I do beleive that the murder charges that were first brought upon the six black students were not fair, however they were knocked down ( by a local judge ) to aggrevated assault and if you ask me, 6 ppl kicking and stomping on one unconscious kid definatly warrants those charges. The fact that so many African Americans from the big city, who quite frankly, have no understanding of the way these towns work and the delicate balance which exists and allows most to live happily, are going down there to, as I heard one guy from Atlanta say " give em' a wake up call", the fact is the boys deserve what they were charged with whether they are black or white, and the fact that all of these outsiders think that it is their position to set the whole situation striaght, well by their standards.
Nothing good is going to come of these bus loads of misguided ppl going down there to try to fix a "problem" that doesn't exist is only going to inspire more racial tension.
And yes like rebel said, it would be a completely different story going on if six white students beat one black student.
I think the whole uproar is stupid and as far as the race issue goes, I beleive many african americans are in fact turning this into a racist issue, at its core it is simply offenders being punished for their crimes and they should not receive special treatment because they are black.
Sorry for the rant, but at least it was on topic.
09-20-2007 08:28 PM
jjseel
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Originally Posted by Levinoss View Post
Someone got a link to the story?

~Lev
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20793079/site/newsweek/
09-20-2007 08:15 PM
rebelBullDawg325 problem is lev, its hard to find a non-biased story to link to. thats why i'm hesitant on making statements bc to be honest, i dont know all the facts, and i dont think anyone does except for the people involved. and i agree with whoever said it, the best thing would have been for everyone to be charged for their actions, but thats not what happened so its got to be delt with someway. and no1 will really know the right way to deal with this until its too late, after all heinsites 20/20.
09-20-2007 07:47 PM
Levinoss Someone got a link to the story?

~Lev
09-20-2007 07:23 PM
02Prove Basically, the town was racially devided well before this and I'm sure the stories could go on forever. Here some black kids asked the principal of the school if they could sit under the "white tree". After which some of the retarded rednecks down there hung nooses from the tree. Nothing was done about it and it was shrugged off by the old rednecks down there. Then there were a number of other incidents down there leading up to the kid getting jumped that were again slaps on the wrist by the cops until it was a white kid that got jumped on. Then all of a sudden it was attempted murder and all hell broke loose.

While a agree they should be charged with assault. So should the white kids that jumped on the black kids who tried to enter the fair barn party, and the other white kid that pulled the shotgun on people in front of the convenience store. If we're going to blindly throw Justice around, let's do it in all directions. Best thing that could happen at this point is the whole thing get dropped. Moving forward if anyone breaks the law they get punished no matter what color they are.

That's strictly IMO.

...oh yea... racism sucks!
09-20-2007 07:10 PM
skeeter Don't gang up on a guy and you won't go to jail?
09-20-2007 07:02 PM
tiny terror I think the school should have done something about "the tree" long before this crap happened.
09-20-2007 06:49 PM
rebelBullDawg325 you've got me started now....i think its retarded. no matter what started the string of "racial incidents," its no excuse for 6 people to jump on one and beat him. theres no reason these 6 should be exempt from punishment for their actions. i could care less about being politically correct, if it would have been 6 white boys jumping on one black, al sharpton would be down their calling for the death penalty for all 6, but since its the other way around, the 6 should be set free and not have anything on their record about it. morons
09-20-2007 06:40 PM
Scout
09-20-2007 06:33 PM
1BLKJP
Thoughts on the "Jena 6"?

Just curious as to what everyone's thoughts are on that situation?

Anyone live out that way in Louisiana?

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