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09-28-2011 11:24 PM
MTH
Quote:
Originally Posted by GreatOutdoors View Post
Geez, that's what I got!!.. but, I haven't taken delivery. Should I renege on my order?

Here's the skinny:
Order through ENCS (overseas military car sales) and got the "only avaliable to military" Oscar Mike edition. After some digging I realized that all they did was rebadge the Mojave and sold it exclusively to the military.

. . . Should I get my money back and go for a 2012? How "special" are limited edition wranglers, does the Jeep community even care about them (meaning do they retain more resale value?) Sry, about all the questions.
Up to you of course. All else being equal, I'd go for a 2012 if I was in the market now. Unless you're getting a killer deal (in which case, all else is not equal), why not pick the one with more ponies?

I have a "Mountain Edition." I suppose in theory it'll hold more value. I really have no idea though. It's noteworthy to me that even though JKs didn't have many (any?) special editions from 2007 through 2009, we've since had the Mountain, the Islander, the COD (two versions), the Mojave, the Oscar Mike, and the Arctic.

Regardless though, you'll be happy with your 2011. If--and that's an "if"--you need "more power," it can be arranged. For $1500 you can have the differentials regeared and see a big jump in effective hp at the wheels.
09-28-2011 11:05 PM
Cv2065 Don't really understand someone trading in a 2011 for a 2012. You lose your shirt in the process, and unless you actually use the Jeep to make a living and the extra 30hp would make that much difference, then I guess that i don't get it. I have an '11 with just about every option and haven't had any issues in the power department. I'll be keeping this for 10 years, just like I did my last Jeep, and giving it to my son when he's 17 in high school. What a ride he'll have!

Obviously its your money to burn, so do whatcha got to do!
09-28-2011 05:48 PM
jkaufman_95
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Originally Posted by willee51
Sell your Jeep yourself on Autotrader or similiar site and save big bucks! I've never had a problem w/Autotrader!
He's right. I sold a jeep on eBay motors for WELL over what it was worth.
09-28-2011 05:00 PM
Jordanpatten I have a 2012 sahara unlimited and I love it the engine is great, lots of power
09-28-2011 03:57 PM
HiCap [QUOTE=fanofnd;1599183]
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Originally Posted by hypobid View Post
but I don't think they give a rats arse about KBB...

Wouldn't it be nice if KBB actually bought cars? Unfortunately, most dealers use the average selling price of weekly auction reports to get an accurate trade value. If you want a true wholesale value, typically...........a carmax appraisal is spot on. It never hurts to go to carmax and get a vehicle appraised prior to going to a dealer. At least then you have a true value in writing. In my personal experience only, most dealers will match the carmax appraisal. Of course, this only helps if you actually have a carmax close to you.
I got my vehicle appraised at one Car Max, then sold it to them at Car Max near my new Jeep dealer, then had jeep salesman pick me up at Car Max.
09-28-2011 03:51 PM
HiCap
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Originally Posted by demarpaint View Post
With the recent change to the Pentastar engine, and 5 speed AT for those interested in an AT, the value of late model used Wranglers took a bigger hit than they normally would at the end of a model year. I think a private sale would be the best thing to do, live with what you have, modify what you have, or bite the bullet and take the hit if you can afford it. Ouch!

When I was selling cars many times people would come in with trades, and quote KBB. The used car manager putting a number on the trade told many customers to sell it to Mr. Kelly for the KBB price. KBB really doesn't mean a whole lot to many dealerships, as they are guidlines and nothing more.
I had 2008 Ford Escape Hybrid, low milage and clean, to my suprize CarMax paid me over KBB price. My jeep salesman picked me up at CarMax lot near them when my new 2012 JKU Rubicon came in. CarMax asked me if I was happy with offer, I said yes, and was happy with Tread-Lightly price on new 2012 Jeep. Jeep dealer said he could not match CarMax offer for my Ford.
09-28-2011 03:27 PM
willee51
DO it yourself

Sell your Jeep yourself on Autotrader or similiar site and save big bucks! I've never had a problem w/Autotrader!
09-28-2011 03:12 PM
Joe Dirt 357
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Originally Posted by GreatOutdoors View Post
Geez, that's what I got!!.. but, I haven't taken delivery. Should I renege on my order?

Here's the skinny:
Order through ENCS (overseas military car sales) and got the "only avaliable to military" Oscar Mike edition. After some digging I realized that all they did was rebadge the Mojave and sold it exclusively to the military.

KEY SPECS:
2011 JK Unlimited (body color hardtop & flares)
3.8L V6
4spd AUTO
3.73
Rubi tires
(leather and mopar acc./ if look up Jeep's Mojave you see all the features)

Price: $28K
Should I get my money back and go for a 2012? How "special" are limited edition wranglers, does the Jeep community even care about them (meaning do they retain more resale value?) Sry, about all the questions. Jeep newb here.
I canít speak for the entire Jeep community but itís all about the options you are saying the Special Addition is like the Mojave. If my memory serves me the Mojave was similar to a Rubicon without the lockers, sway bar disconnect, DANA 44 front axel and the option for 4.10 gear. Well, I guess it isnít like a Rubicon it just looks like one.
I looked at the Mojave and liked the look but I wanted the option in a Rubicon and the new 3.6 engine. So I waited for the 2012 JKUR.
It is all about what you want and can afford. The nice thing about a Jeep is you can always upgrade later but you may pay extra for something that is standard on another model.
I made my 97 TJ a Rubicon by adding air lockers but it cost me over $3000 to have it installed.
You need to ask yourself several questions?
1. How much off-roading do I plan on doing?
(A lot or every now and then) this will determine your options
2. Will this be my daily driver?
Serious Off-Road vehicles are not fun to drive ever day my 97 TJ was not fun to drive every day.
3. What can you afford or are willing to spend?
Iíve own a Jeep since 91 when I came back from the gulf war. I traded my 91 Comanche for a 97 Wrangler and kept it till I got a 2012 JKUR.
They are all fun vehicles Stock or Upgraded.
So compare the two vehicles and ask yourself what you usage will be and then make your decision.
09-27-2011 10:39 PM
GreatOutdoors
So the 4speed is really that bad??

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Originally Posted by fanofnd View Post
Couldn't agree w/you more!! Auto w/3:73 was NOT a wise decision on my part.
Geez, that's what I got!!.. but, I haven't taken delivery. Should I renege on my order?

Here's the skinny:
Order through ENCS (overseas military car sales) and got the "only avaliable to military" Oscar Mike edition. After some digging I realized that all they did was rebadge the Mojave and sold it exclusively to the military.

KEY SPECS:
2011 JK Unlimited (body color hardtop & flares)
3.8L V6
4spd AUTO
3.73
Rubi tires
(leather and mopar acc./ if look up Jeep's Mojave you see all the features)

Price: $28K
Should I get my money back and go for a 2012? How "special" are limited edition wranglers, does the Jeep community even care about them (meaning do they retain more resale value?) Sry, about all the questions. Jeep newb here.
09-24-2011 09:26 AM
fanofnd
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
Point taken.

I think the 3.8 is a fine little engine.
Then again- I have a manual with 4.10's
It's all in how it's geared.

No secret the automatic 4 speed is a mess.
Couldn't agree w/you more!! Auto w/3:73 was NOT a wise decision on my part.
09-24-2011 09:23 AM
fanofnd [QUOTE=hypobid;1404339] but I don't think they give a rats arse about KBB...

Wouldn't it be nice if KBB actually bought cars? Unfortunately, most dealers use the average selling price of weekly auction reports to get an accurate trade value. If you want a true wholesale value, typically...........a carmax appraisal is spot on. It never hurts to go to carmax and get a vehicle appraised prior to going to a dealer. At least then you have a true value in writing. In my personal experience only, most dealers will match the carmax appraisal. Of course, this only helps if you actually have a carmax close to you.
09-24-2011 09:23 AM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by fanofnd

Perhaps, but I don't see the 3.8 ever having a cult following like the 4.0. Time will tell.
Point taken.

I think the 3.8 is a fine little engine.
Then again- I have a manual with 4.10's
It's all in how it's geared.

No secret the automatic 4 speed is a mess.

Added:

I drove a Tj for 11 yrs, this 3.8 pulls the jk a lot better on the highway then my Tj did, just lacks the low end torque which is no different then the new 3.6 also.
09-24-2011 09:03 AM
fanofnd
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
Thats like saying a Tj would lose it's value once the jk arrived, or the Yj beforit... Did it?.... Nope.
Perhaps, but I don't see the 3.8 ever having a cult following like the 4.0. Time will tell.
09-24-2011 09:03 AM
jkaufman_95
Quote:
Originally Posted by fanofnd

For me personally it was, but I had an auto w/3:73 and I drive on the DC beltway frequently. The power of the '12 comes in handy on the beltway which is less civilized than a race track at times.
That's when I like the XK. That 4.7 v8 is speedy.
09-24-2011 08:59 AM
fanofnd
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Originally Posted by RCB View Post
Are the 2011 really that bad? I have a 2000 tj and don't have any problems with merging on the interstate or towing. Just the new v6 design?
For me personally it was, but I had an auto w/3:73 and I drive on the DC beltway frequently. The power of the '12 comes in handy on the beltway which is less civilized than a race track at times.
09-24-2011 02:22 AM
jkaufman_95
Quote:
Originally Posted by hypobid
, but I don't think they give a rats arse about KBB...
.
exactly, I had a dealer ask how much I needed on trade on a 07 XK. I said I had to have the kbb of 16k. He said " but kbb doesn't write you a check" and I said yeah but you do or I walk. I chose to walk till I get what I want. Its a brand new dealership and they have about zero inventory so I would think since I was gonna order from the factory they would like to have something on the lot.
09-24-2011 02:01 AM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by TxF150

I have never driven a 2012, I am sure they are amazing basing my opinion on the new durango. But, to answer your question, no my 2011 is not really that bad. I think the 4 speed auto had a bad gear spread, but mine has a 6-speed manual with 3.73 and 33's. Returns 20-21 on the highway at the speed limit, and 17-19 all day long in the city/avg of 50/50.

When I hit a large bridge or hill, depending on the size, I "may" have to down shift to 5th and it does fine after that, never flooring it. I don't live in the mountains though, so I cannot comment on that. Is it as fast as my wife's Sonata 3.3L, an empathatic NO as that car will do 0-60 in the mid 6's if I can keep traction on the front wheels. My old 1992 work truck is faster as well (100 lbs heavier than my Jeep, but with a 5.8L) again if I can keep traction on the rear wheels, even with a LS diff.

I frequently tow with my 2011 3.8L, it requires some clutch action when I tow my 16 ft lowboy, but I credit the stiff gearing to that. I could tow with my work truck instead, but a jeep towing a large trailer loaded down gets looks, and I just leave it in 5th. Does just fine, it is decently acceptable loaded down to the max of 3500 lbs (probably more, never measured it TBH)

In all honestly, I have not had any trouble with my Jeep getting into traffic, but then again I am not one of those types that try to force my way in or beat every one at the entrance ramp, I don't drive my Jeep like a race car, or a porsche. I just merge in, usually don't have to floor any of my vehicles for that matter, the car or truck as well.

I think alot of the bad mantra about the 3.8L is not due to the engine itself, but moreso the transmission for the Auto. They have a very tall OD ratio, the gear spread sucks, just a unacceptable design for the days of 5+ speeds and closer ratios in the transmission. All in all, I like my 2011, would not upgrade for a 2012 because TBH, I just don't care about going fast anymore. I don;t care about outrunning anyone, I don't care about 0-60 times, I don't race it at the local 1/8th track, I don't tow 3500 lb campers all day long, I don't drive a hybrid, so...basically my ride is great considering I could care less about anything that makes the 3.6 better than the 3.8L. Offroad prowess, and the top coming off is unaffected by ither engine, which is really what I care about. Besides, I got a great deal on my 2011. I am not jealous as some might suggest, I am actually happy for them as I would like to BS with someone and compare the two over a beer
09-23-2011 11:17 PM
TxF150
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Originally Posted by RCB View Post
Are the 2011 really that bad? I have a 2000 tj and don't have any problems with merging on the interstate or towing. Just the new v6 design?
I have never driven a 2012, I am sure they are amazing basing my opinion on the new durango. But, to answer your question, no my 2011 is not really that bad. I think the 4 speed auto had a bad gear spread, but mine has a 6-speed manual with 3.73 and 33's. Returns 20-21 on the highway at the speed limit, and 17-19 all day long in the city/avg of 50/50.

When I hit a large bridge or hill, depending on the size, I "may" have to down shift to 5th and it does fine after that, never flooring it. I don't live in the mountains though, so I cannot comment on that. Is it as fast as my wife's Sonata 3.3L, an empathatic NO as that car will do 0-60 in the mid 6's if I can keep traction on the front wheels. My old 1992 work truck is faster as well (100 lbs heavier than my Jeep, but with a 5.8L) again if I can keep traction on the rear wheels, even with a LS diff.

I frequently tow with my 2011 3.8L, it requires some clutch action when I tow my 16 ft lowboy, but I credit the stiff gearing to that. I could tow with my work truck instead, but a jeep towing a large trailer loaded down gets looks, and I just leave it in 5th. Does just fine, it is decently acceptable loaded down to the max of 3500 lbs (probably more, never measured it TBH)


In all honestly, I have not had any trouble with my Jeep getting into traffic, but then again I am not one of those types that try to force my way in or beat every one at the entrance ramp, I don't drive my Jeep like a race car, or a porsche. I just merge in, usually don't have to floor any of my vehicles for that matter, the car or truck as well.

I think alot of the bad mantra about the 3.8L is not due to the engine itself, but moreso the transmission for the Auto. They have a very tall OD ratio, the gear spread sucks, just a unacceptable design for the days of 5+ speeds and closer ratios in the transmission. All in all, I like my 2011, would not upgrade for a 2012 because TBH, I just don't care about going fast anymore. I don;t care about outrunning anyone, I don't care about 0-60 times, I don't race it at the local 1/8th track, I don't tow 3500 lb campers all day long, I don't drive a hybrid, so...basically my ride is great considering I could care less about anything that makes the 3.6 better than the 3.8L. Offroad prowess, and the top coming off is unaffected by ither engine, which is really what I care about. Besides, I got a great deal on my 2011. I am not jealous as some might suggest, I am actually happy for them as I would like to BS with someone and compare the two over a beer
09-23-2011 10:59 PM
MTH
Quote:
Originally Posted by RCB

Are the 2011 really that bad? I have a 2000 tj and don't have any problems with merging on the interstate or towing. Just the new v6 design?
No, the 2011 is just like the 2007-2010.

All of them have less low end torque than your TJ, but do better on the highway with about 20 extra hp. The new 2012 engine has even less low end torque, but does even better around town and on the highway with about 80 more hp on top of that.

Truth be told, the 2007-2011 JKs primary issue wasn't the dreaded "3.8 minivan motor," it was the automatic transmission and numerically low differential gearing. That's why 6 speed drivers that understand where the 3.8's powerband is rarely complain.
09-23-2011 10:47 PM
RCB
Quote:
Originally Posted by fanofnd View Post
So nice merging on the highway w/out the pedal to the floor, white knuckling the steering wheel and hoping for the best. Not to mention, I can actually climb a hill and maintain speed when towing.
Are the 2011 really that bad? I have a 2000 tj and don't have any problems with merging on the interstate or towing. Just the new v6 design?
09-23-2011 10:33 PM
kjeeper10
Quote:
Originally Posted by fanofnd
It's a gamble since used values are based on what consumers are willing to pay. Eventually, consumers are simply not going to want the old powertrain unless they can purchase it at a substantially lower price. Of course, I have no proof other than speculation. I personally decided to dump my '10 Sahara 2 door loaded w/every option but nav that had 12k on it for a '12 JKU before the used market becomes saturated. Figured I'd get while the getting was good. Used the TL discount and got 23250 on the trade. I didn't think it was too bad considering the original sticker was 30,500 and I paid 27,900 for it in 3/10. Since interest rates have dropped substantially (2 points for me), it was a wash when it came down to payment. With all that said, as soon as I drove the '12 they had me no matter what the trade was. World of difference. So nice merging on the highway w/out the pedal to the floor, white knuckling the steering wheel and hoping for the best. Not to mention, I can actually climb a hill and maintain speed when towing.
Thats like saying a Tj would lose it's value once the jk arrived, or the Yj beforit... Did it?.... Nope.
09-23-2011 08:55 PM
fanofnd It's a gamble since used values are based on what consumers are willing to pay. Eventually, consumers are simply not going to want the old powertrain unless they can purchase it at a substantially lower price. Of course, I have no proof other than speculation. I personally decided to dump my '10 Sahara 2 door loaded w/every option but nav that had 12k on it for a '12 JKU before the used market becomes saturated. Figured I'd get while the getting was good. Used the TL discount and got 23250 on the trade. I didn't think it was too bad considering the original sticker was 30,500 and I paid 27,900 for it in 3/10. Since interest rates have dropped substantially (2 points for me), it was a wash when it came down to payment. With all that said, as soon as I drove the '12 they had me no matter what the trade was. World of difference. So nice merging on the highway w/out the pedal to the floor, white knuckling the steering wheel and hoping for the best. Not to mention, I can actually climb a hill and maintain speed when towing.
09-23-2011 06:12 PM
roxbury29
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Originally Posted by Jon8160 View Post
I have 2010 Wrangler Sport with the hard top and its got about 23000 miles on it. I went to the dealership yesterday to discuss a possible trade in and they offered me $20K for my truck.

The sahara i wanted was pretty much loaded and came out to $480 a month for 72 months....i think im going to do it and now that i know about tread lightly ill probably be able to get those payments down lower
^ does not sound too bad. I may wait until 2013 or 2014 to make a trade For now I am keeping my 2011 Sport Unlimited, and going to lift it tomorrow and new 33's soon.. I love my dealer, but not there used car side. they barely offered me $23,500K( loaded,with some extras )for my 2011 with 9Kmiles on mine..
09-23-2011 01:21 PM
Jon8160 I have 2010 Wrangler Sport with the hard top and its got about 23000 miles on it. I went to the dealership yesterday to discuss a possible trade in and they offered me $20K for my truck.

The sahara i wanted was pretty much loaded and came out to $480 a month for 72 months....i think im going to do it and now that i know about tread lightly ill probably be able to get those payments down lower
09-23-2011 04:45 AM
demarpaint ^^ I doubt an 8 speed is coming to a Wrangler anytime soon ^^ If anything a 6 speed and probably not until 2014. I think the 2013 will be pretty much the same as the 2012 with some minor refinements. Maybe some resident Chrysler insiders have a clue, and can share info with us?

OP you're in a tough spot, especially if you're not happy with your 2011, you will take a beating on a trade for sure. It might pay to wait another year. Tough call!
09-22-2011 06:31 PM
deepbluerubi
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Originally Posted by roxbury29 View Post
^ - I tried to get the Deep Water blue 2010 back in October last year, but no one could find one, so i ordered a deep cherry red 2011. I love it. and I am holding on to mine at least for another year or 2. Lift is going on this week.
The 2012's are nice, but too much to loose to trade it in now.. I also was told more changes are coming, and likely an 8speed auto trans. There will always be some changes, cannot just trade them in every year.

I agree the 8 speed is tempting. I didn't want to throw that out there to the OP, like you said "always changes"........... I would really like to see what a 2012 with the auto does on a dyno, the 33% loss sucks with the 4 speed auto. I would also like someone to get it on a scale to see how the weight is distributed. Maybe an 8 speed and direct injection,drop some weight, make the soft top more user friendly and you would have an unbeatable package. I had the 2012 priced to almost $40K. That's a lot of Jack with the current shortcomings IMO.
09-22-2011 06:27 PM
MTH One of the great things about Wranglers is that you can literally make your jeep.

I briefly inquired with Pat to see if I could basically lose little to nothing by trading my 2010 so as to get me into a longer loan term--but still with a really low rate--so as to give me lower monthly payments. I didn't know about TL when I bought mine and some of the folks with 2012s have found great (but obscure) sources of credit for crazy low rates. I'd indeed get the lower payments and low rate, but it'd cost me about $5k. So, nah.

Armed with that info, I'm sticking with my 2010 permanently. At about 100k miles I'll put in a new engine/trans that'll be way better than whatever is offered stock at the time and perfectly dialed into my needs as part of a major re-build. Basically spend what I'd be looking to spend at that time on a "new" Jeep, but just build the one I got into "sick-f'kn-awesome" status.

In the interim, I'll keep adding bits and pieces that will either go with whatever I do eventually or will perhaps be replaced. I dunno, we'll see. Either way, it will again be as capable as anything the factory is offering.

So with that in mind, why bother with a trade? Like I said, if it was going to cost me NOTHING or close to nothing, then I'll take the free hp now. But otherwise, I'm good. If I keep trading up for the latest and greatest, I'll never be able to get all the stuff done that I really want done.
09-22-2011 06:14 PM
roxbury29
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Originally Posted by deepbluerubi View Post
I priced out a 2012 with a trade on my 2010 and it was going to be $10k I own my rubi outright. I need to test drive one that is identical to mine first though. I'm waiting for one to come in. I was not impressed with the engine placement on the 2012 2 door. I heard it was a tight fit with the automatic transmission on the two door and it shows with the engine pretty far foward. I was hoping it would be closer to the firewall since the 3.6 is shorter. I also don't really like any of the colors as much as the deep water blue. I might just wait a year or two and trade then or just give my 2010 to my son at that point. Good luck with it and enjoy.
^ - I tried to get the Deep Water blue 2010 back in October last year, but no one could find one, so i ordered a deep cherry red 2011. I love it. and I am holding on to mine at least for another year or 2. Lift is going on this week.
The 2012's are nice, but too much to loose to trade it in now.. I also was told more changes are coming, and likely an 8speed auto trans. There will always be some changes, cannot just trade them in every year.
09-22-2011 05:54 PM
deepbluerubi
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Originally Posted by sdgmcdon View Post
I just did it myself...completely decked out 2011 4 door rubicon for a 2012 one configured identically. I still have the 2011, working on selling it but I have a guarantee from the dealer to give me $29k for it if I don't sell it in x amount of time.

I know I definitely took a bit of a beating, but honestly I think it was worth it. I no longer have to fight to get it up to and keep it at 70 mph, in fact I've found I have to watch my speed now as it effortlessly goes 80+ mph...additionally on steep hills its no longer absolutely required to drop a gear to get up the hill, it just goes.

I paid $37k for the 2011 and a little over $39k for the 2012, got a better deal on the 2011 than I did the 2012 but both were under invoice. I put the same down on the 2012 as I will get back on the 2011 (I will get at least that much, possibly more if I can sell it for more than the dealers $29k offer) and my payment went up about $60/month.


Maybe my math abilities suck, but I'm thinking I'm paying $60/month more to have something with a LOT more power (really nothing out of pocket since I'm getting my down payment back when my 2011 sells)...also, knowing the 2011 was gutless I was planning on doing a HEMI conversion down the road, now I no longer see a need to do that...money saved then (HEMI conversion for $15k vs an additional $60/month for a few years totaling a couple grand?)...

Of course I could also be trying to reassure myself that what I just did was not a horrible decision
I priced out a 2012 with a trade on my 2010 and it was going to be $10k I own my rubi outright. I need to test drive one that is identical to mine first though. I'm waiting for one to come in. I was not impressed with the engine placement on the 2012 2 door. I heard it was a tight fit with the automatic transmission on the two door and it shows with the engine pretty far foward. I was hoping it would be closer to the firewall since the 3.6 is shorter. I also don't really like any of the colors as much as the deep water blue. I might just wait a year or two and trade then or just give my 2010 to my son at that point. Good luck with it and enjoy.
09-22-2011 05:45 PM
Joe Dirt 357
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Originally Posted by sdgmcdon View Post
I just did it myself...completely decked out 2011 4 door rubicon for a 2012 one configured identically. I still have the 2011, working on selling it but I have a guarantee from the dealer to give me $29k for it if I don't sell it in x amount of time.

I know I definitely took a bit of a beating, but honestly I think it was worth it. I no longer have to fight to get it up to and keep it at 70 mph, in fact I've found I have to watch my speed now as it effortlessly goes 80+ mph...additionally on steep hills its no longer absolutely required to drop a gear to get up the hill, it just goes.

I paid $37k for the 2011 and a little over $39k for the 2012, got a better deal on the 2011 than I did the 2012 but both were under invoice. I put the same down on the 2012 as I will get back on the 2011 (I will get at least that much, possibly more if I can sell it for more than the dealers $29k offer) and my payment went up about $60/month.

Maybe my math abilities suck, but I'm thinking I'm paying $60/month more to have something with a LOT more power (really nothing out of pocket since I'm getting my down payment back when my 2011 sells)...also, knowing the 2011 was gutless I was planning on doing a HEMI conversion down the road, now I no longer see a need to do that...money saved then (HEMI conversion for $15k vs an additional $60/month for a few years totaling a couple grand?)...

Of course I could also be trying to reassure myself that what I just did was not a horrible decision
I sold my 97 TJ back in July that I had for 14 years for $8,000 and traded my 2007 Mustang GT for a new 2012 JKUR Auto with 4.10. Great vehicle way better than the TJ and I can actually see around other vehicles to pass than I could with the GT. I can also fit my family in the vehicle where as the TJ and GT were really only 2 seaters. I just love the Rubicon but having this vehicle makes me want to change it.
4Ē lift
33Ē or 35Ē tires with rims
10,000lbs Winch
Roof rack
Windshield lights
Iíve already added new bumpers front and back they look nice and tow brackets so I can flat tow it behind the RV.
So, I support you decision to trade in your 2011 JK for a new 12.
P.S. both the TJ and GT were paid off!
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