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10-06-2007 10:21 AM
woody_k
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Originally Posted by Levinoss View Post
Kinda one of the reasons why I posted it, to see how many would go right to weed.

Government Brain washing mahn

~Lev

Not government brain washing...you asked stoner or drunk? We answered and it turned that way cuz you didn't give us any other choices.

The replies were heading towards asnwering your original question...but you as the OP asked a different question...that's how it got turned....unless you work for the government!
10-06-2007 07:33 AM
Odhinn
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Originally Posted by activelydying View Post
That's why I just smoke crack.
There ya go, thats an answer to it all
10-06-2007 07:10 AM
activelydying
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Originally Posted by Odhinn View Post

Quoted from site as "Marijana dangers"
  • Impaired perception
  • Diminished short-term memory
  • Loss of concentration and coordination
  • Impaired judgement
  • Increased risk of accidents
  • Loss of motivation
  • Diminished inhibitions
  • Increased heart rate
  • Anxiety, panic attacks, and paranoia
  • Hallucinations
  • Damage to the respiratory, reproductive, and immune systems
  • Increased risk of cancer
  • Psychological dependency

That's why I just smoke crack.
10-06-2007 07:01 AM
Odhinn The general pot smoker that smokes it in their own home is only hurting themselves and as long as it doesn't involve me I really do not care, but if someone brings weed into our house or is impared by it at my work then it involves me and I am not afraid to send them on their way or turn them in. My reasoning is that even if it is less harmfull then some legal drugs it is still illegal. This puts me and my family at risk for the loss of a job or a stint in the county jail. In my teens I saw some really idiotic things done by Pot heads (usually followed by "Dude!!!that was so cool...Dude!!! are you OK...HEHEHE WOW MAN") but I have never seen any that were a danger to others unless their stunts were done in a car. I work, and have worked in some really dangerous jobs. I would not want an alcoholic or a stoner watching my back when it comes to my livelyhood or safety. I will agree with what was said. In some jobs it doesn't matter if a person is a stoner. I agree the government has no right to make drug testing a law, but if you are hireing in as a govt. employee they have every right to test just like a company that is attempting to protect their own interests.

Found several sites to read up on become better informed on the drug. This one seemed to be the most authentic to me.

http://www.acde.org/common/Marijana.htm

Quoted from site as "Marijana dangers"
  • Impaired perception
  • Diminished short-term memory
  • Loss of concentration and coordination
  • Impaired judgement
  • Increased risk of accidents
  • Loss of motivation
  • Diminished inhibitions
  • Increased heart rate
  • Anxiety, panic attacks, and paranoia
  • Hallucinations
  • Damage to the respiratory, reproductive, and immune systems
  • Increased risk of cancer
  • Psychological dependency
10-06-2007 05:28 AM
mmasuperman12 all you have to do is have a fit for duty screening it takes your BAC and tests you for drugs then no one can bitch that they are singling out druggies if you blow a .04 you are asked to go home and not to return for 5 years. and i havent smoked weed but i do drink and smoke cigarettes but it is my responsibility not to have a beer 5 hours before work. some poeple dont abide by that rule but the money i am making right now to post this is just stupid to lose it for a beer or poppin a pill
10-06-2007 02:58 AM
Levinoss
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Originally Posted by cnt487 View Post
Funny how "smoke" (marijuana) wasn't even mentions in the original post and thats all this thread is about now... lol I know, i did the same thing, started talkin about weed instead of whether or not New Hire Screening is a invasion of privacy. BTW, new hire screening and random testing tests for a lot more than just weed. So really weed is probably the least of the worries for potential employers. OK, just had that thought and wanted to share it. IBB
Kinda one of the reasons why I posted it, to see how many would go right to weed.

Government Brain washing mahn

~Lev
10-05-2007 09:48 PM
Gary1129 Ive never been tested.........g
10-05-2007 09:07 PM
drummerwookie i say, whats it matter either way? i use to be 100% against pot, but anymore, even tho i dont smoke the stuff, im more understanding of it and how little it truley does to you. but, at the same time, its just simply the law to not smoke it. so, if you're getting ready to go into a job that wants to screen you, and you are smart enough to not smoke anything before the screening by how ever many days it can be traced back to, then you have nothing to worry about anyways. so why complain about the screening process. i dont think its an invasion of our privacy so much as the company trying to protect their own asses.

its like where i work, i drive a forklift 12 hrs a night, and if you wreck one, you have to go and get a drug test. but its purely just to save their asses. plus, you dont want a guy driving a 9000 pound or 18000 pound fork lift if hes high or drunk..lol...that could make for a bad day
10-05-2007 07:56 PM
cnt487
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Originally Posted by Levinoss View Post
New hire Screening, invasion of privacy or needed?

/discuss


~Lev
Funny how "smoke" (marijuana) wasn't even mentions in the original post and thats all this thread is about now... lol I know, i did the same thing, started talkin about weed instead of whether or not New Hire Screening is a invasion of privacy. BTW, new hire screening and random testing tests for a lot more than just weed. So really weed is probably the least of the worries for potential employers. OK, just had that thought and wanted to share it. IBB
10-05-2007 07:50 PM
rebelBullDawg325 well i've missed most of the convo and its too much to read. so sorry if what i say has been discussed. but heres my thoughts.....

i think its sad that the world has gotten to the pointing of needing to do random and pre-hire drug test.

i am also aware of people that do smoke and people i went to school with that smoked. and for some odd reason, some of them are very smart actually. not just dummies melted to the couch like many people would leave you to believe.

i had another point but forgot it. sorry, its been a long week. i'll come back to this thread later
10-05-2007 07:43 PM
OdhinnsChick
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Originally Posted by woody_k View Post
To answer the OP's question. I am for drug screening. Not for just certian jobs but any job the boss wants. Random of everyone not just individuals who the boss thinks is lacking in performance and is looking for a way to fire a person. And yes I think Peace Officers should be included. (myself a peace officer).

The problem with stoners or the legalization of marijuana is that many stoners don't stop at just marijuana. Other illegal drugs are taken as well that are much more dangerous. Now alcoholics on the other hand very seldom partake in any other drugs.

The next question I will guess one would be asking is where do I get my information....6+ years of dealing with addicts in the drug Court in San Bernardino County.
I'm in agreement here as well but I also believe that alcohol and alcoholism are worse in severity, especially in long term effects (and not only to the person drinking), than MJ. I enjoy casual drinking from time to time, as do millions of other people, but I feel that the potential of abuse and its after effects are ten times of that of MJ. But MJ is already illegal and really it should stay that way. I have no answers for alcohol abuse.
10-05-2007 07:34 PM
deverhart Im pissed that I get picked for a random every time we are due for randoms... doesnt seem so random :-( Regardless I am drug free personally and fully support testing especially in my field where I have to make safety sensitive decisions as part of my daily job
10-05-2007 07:24 PM
woody_k To answer the OP's question. I am for drug screening. Not for just certian jobs but any job the boss wants. Random of everyone not just individuals who the boss thinks is lacking in performance and is looking for a way to fire a person. And yes I think Peace Officers should be included. (myself a peace officer).

The problem with stoners or the legalization of marijuana is that many stoners don't stop at just marijuana. Other illegal drugs are taken as well that are much more dangerous. Now alcoholics on the other hand very seldom partake in any other drugs.

The next question I will guess one would be asking is where do I get my information....6+ years of dealing with addicts in the drug Court in San Bernardino County.
10-05-2007 05:10 PM
activelydying
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Originally Posted by 1BLKJP View Post
If people aren't bright enough to pass a drug test when they start then they don't rightly deserve the job.
I agree.
10-05-2007 04:23 PM
cnt487
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Originally Posted by 1BLKJP View Post
If people aren't bright enough to pass a drug test when they start then they don't rightly deserve the job.
x2.....I was a daily toker for about 8 years, up until bout 6 months ago. With that being said, I surprisingly have mixed emotions about it. I'm in management where I work and it never hindered my ability to do my job acceptionally well. At the same time, now that I don't smoke anymore, I definitely feel a difference in how well I can perform my job. I feel I have much more energy and I am mentally on the ball now, not saying I wasn't before, but the level I am at now definitely surpasses the level I was at over those years. Back then I would have told you it doesn't effect anything long term (just like alcohol), now since I'm not a daily toker, I cannot say that. It definitely had it's effects as a daily user.

A weekend every now and then, thats a different story, I see no problem at all.

Now from a business perspective, they have every right in the world to test and re-test if desired. If the employee doesn't like it, or like stated above can't pass the test, there are a lot of other employment opportunities out there for ya, go elsewhere.
10-05-2007 04:22 PM
MouthfulOfGrass It's funny how tobacco & alcohol are legal, & taxed. And really no one goes out of their way to grow tobacco in their own back yard or closet, and no one really brews their own moonshine to get out of the expense of buying it from a store & paying the taxes. Wouldn't you think it would work the same with marijuana ?

As far as testing, I work in a machine shop and initial & random tests are necessary. Not for personal safety so much (although someone impaired might be more prone to hurting themself) but for the sake of the owners expense of getting a $100,000 machine repaired because some guy was woozy & daydreaming (trippin').
If there was a law, or a way to have a person who is a drug or alcohol user to be held responsible if an accident or damage was caused by his/her impairment........that would be one thing. But right now a guy can come to work drunk and do $20,000 in damage to a machine, then walk away from it.
Owners/bosses need something to protect them, and random testing is what they have.

But the government shouldn't be the one deciding who should be tested in the non-government workplace. Leave it up to the private sector owner/boss to decide what they need for their particular situation.
10-05-2007 03:54 PM
1BLKJP If people aren't bright enough to pass a drug test when they start then they don't rightly deserve the job.
10-05-2007 03:42 PM
jeeperman What I was going to say has been said a couple of times above. If you don't like the policy, work elsewhere. Companies are just evaluating the risk they are taking on an employee... If a company hires someone, spends 10's of thousands of dollars in training, and then they get picked up for cocaine possesion, they are possibly out an employee and have to spend that same 10's of thousands of dollars to train someone new.

I am really indifferent to the whole pot thing, I don't personally smoke it, but don't care if you do. But until the law is changed (if ever) it is still an illegal substance, and you can/will go to jail if you get caught with enough of it, so companies have to cover themselves.
10-05-2007 03:06 PM
02Prove
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Originally Posted by whiteyj View Post
...Just wait one of therse days you'll reach a ripe old age and have responsibilities like raising kids. Your opinions will swing around.
Ummm... I'm raising kids and feel the same way. Sort of.

I think they should legalize weed (I don't smoke it) and tax the shit out of it like they to alcohol and tobacco. As far as drug testing goes I feel that it should most definately be left up to the business. Like it was said previously, "if you don't like it go work elsewhere". However, under no circumstances do I believe the government should have a hand in regulating this for others.
10-05-2007 02:59 PM
Levinoss
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Originally Posted by skeeter View Post


nope, no more than a drinker is likely to drink on the job.
Drug tests look for more than just weed, many mind altering substances can have lingering or even recurring effects that could pose a danger in certain jobs.

Personally, I all for legalizing weed, it's been proven over and over again that it's less dangerous than alcohol.
I have no interest in using it but I can't understand why we waste billions of dollars and thousands of lives fighting something less harmful than Budweiser.
Thats the comment I was looking for kudos to you.


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. Just wait one of therse days you'll reach a ripe old age and have responsibilities like raising kids. Your opinions will swing around.
Have I stated my opinion on the subject? All I have been doing is asking questions to see what everything thought on the subject.

My opinion is It's a iffy subject but I agree with skeeter for the most part.

~Lev
10-05-2007 02:39 PM
skeeter
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Originally Posted by Levinoss View Post
What gives them the right to test someone unless they are doing drugs or drunk on the job?
The fact that they own the business. They took the risks, they invested the time and money to start it and it's their asses if it fails.
If the employee doesn't like the rules he or she is free to work elsewhere.
Freedom is great as long as it's freedom for everyone.

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Just because someone smokes say weed on the weekend, does that mean they will come on the job and light up?

~Lev
nope, no more than a drinker is likely to drink on the job.
Drug tests look for more than just weed, many mind altering substances can have lingering or even recurring effects that could pose a danger in certain jobs.

Personally, I all for legalizing weed, it's been proven over and over again that it's less dangerous than alcohol.
I have no interest in using it but I can't understand why we waste billions of dollars and thousands of lives fighting something less harmful than Budweiser.
10-05-2007 02:29 PM
whiteyj
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Originally Posted by Levinoss View Post
What gives them the right to test someone unless they are doing drugs or drunk on the job?

Just because someone smokes say weed on the weekend, does that mean they will come on the job and light up?

~Lev
Because they are "the man" and are running companies or governments and making the rules. Just wait one of therse days you'll reach a ripe old age and have responsibilities like raising kids. Your opinions will swing around. Contrary to popular belief it's not that bad being a grown up and a responsible contributor to society. Afterall we still have our toys....They are just more expensive.
10-05-2007 02:24 PM
OdhinnsChick Don't make me search the house next time I come over Bro. :/
10-05-2007 02:02 PM
Levinoss
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Originally Posted by skeeter View Post
No!





Ok ok.
Security, machinery operators, medical workers, drivers and so on need testing, basically anyone with a job that can put someone elses safety at risk I don't have a problem testing.
The checker at Wally world? not so much. There are jobs where it just doesn't matter.
Now don't get me wrong. I think it's the owners right to decide if he wants to test his employees and if they don't like it they're free to work somewhere else. I just don't want the government deciding that everybody needs testing.
What gives them the right to test someone unless they are doing drugs or drunk on the job?

Just because someone smokes say weed on the weekend, does that mean they will come on the job and light up?

~Lev
10-05-2007 01:50 PM
02Prove
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Originally Posted by skeeter View Post
I just don't want the government deciding that everybody needs testing.
x2
10-05-2007 01:49 PM
skeeter
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Originally Posted by Levinoss View Post
explain
No!

































Ok ok.
Security, machinery operators, medical workers, drivers and so on need testing, basically anyone with a job that can put someone elses safety at risk I don't have a problem testing.
The checker at Wally world? not so much. There are jobs where it just doesn't matter.
Now don't get me wrong. I think it's the owners right to decide if he wants to test his employees and if they don't like it they're free to work somewhere else. I just don't want the government deciding that everybody needs testing.
10-05-2007 10:38 AM
bernm8r In my line of work a 2578 gross ton vessel would require drug testing. You would be suprised just how many ships are out there in the open ocean. the problem lies in that crews rotate with 3 months on and 3 months off so technically they are on vacation. I am sure some smoke while off but clean up 30 days prior to going back to work. Drug testing I feel is mostly to find the frequent abuser a weekend toker may pop positive but the daily smoker would for sure. that being said I woould rather have a stoner drive me home than a drunk.
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10-05-2007 10:33 AM
hutchman
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Originally Posted by Jase View Post
I'm all for New Hire screening and random tests. I do NOT want you on my staff if you cannot abide by our drug laws. Laws are not arbitrary.

In my line of work, my staff's character is of utmost importance.........
Well put. If we all had integrity and character, the world would be a better place today.
10-05-2007 10:03 AM
Odhinn In my chosen field I am glad they have many randoms and new hire screening. Enough death happens when a 10 thousand ton train and a non-attentive general public are involved without the help of people being impaired by drugs or alcohol.
10-05-2007 09:22 AM
pick
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Originally Posted by Levinoss View Post
explain
There are jobs that do not need a required drug testing. Riding on a mower all day, I really wouldn't see the point, and I'm sure there are others jobs.

I think most jobs should require it, along with randoms, not just the new hire test, or after you are injured or have a near miss. If you come to work drunk or high, its a choice you make, and take the chances of getting caught, and whatever happens with that.

I understand people use it, and its about the same drinking, but its still not legal. If it was legal, hold it to the same standards as drinking on the job.
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