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05-30-2012 01:01 AM
pdubois64
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Originally Posted by JeepinNW View Post
edit: replied to wrong thread.
Ha old thread but the 2012 FTW
05-30-2012 12:42 AM
JeepinNW edit: replied to wrong thread.
09-10-2011 05:32 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by gkellys

Amen! 5K on my '11 JK and no signs of being under powered. The 4k saved bought some nice wheels, bumpers, stereo amp and sub, and a few other nic nacs with change left. I guess I have not accelerated hard enough to notice the "slow" 0 to 60. Whats the big hurry? Been at Myrtle beach all week. My wife can't understand why I would rather cruise up and down the blvd, soakin the rays and listening to blues than lay around on the beach! She thinks the grin is because she looks so good in the beach wear!
09-10-2011 05:22 PM
gkellys
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Originally Posted by JeffC View Post
This thread is coming alive. Have had my '11 JKU-R for 600 miles and have no examples of it being under powered. My only complaint is my perma-grin
Amen! 5K on my '11 JK and no signs of being under powered. The 4k saved bought some nice wheels, bumpers, stereo amp and sub, and a few other nic nacs with change left. I guess I have not accelerated hard enough to notice the "slow" 0 to 60. Whats the big hurry? Been at Myrtle beach all week. My wife can't understand why I would rather cruise up and down the blvd, soakin the rays and listening to blues than lay around on the beach! She thinks the grin is because she looks so good in the beach wear!
09-10-2011 06:53 AM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by MR0909
Well since I've started this post just wanted to let everyone know I went with the 2011 70th anniversary edition, and LOVE IT!!!! It's a manual 6 speed, little sluggish but it's a jeep and it's all mine!!! Thanks again for all your help.
Agree with MTH, get the rpms up. 2700-3000. I found in 1st-3rd gear doesn't like going over that, the rpms seem to float when depressing the clutch, don't know why.
09-09-2011 10:37 PM
JeffC This thread is coming alive. Have had my '11 JKU-R for 600 miles and have no examples of it being under powered. My only complaint is my perma-grin
09-09-2011 04:03 PM
MTH
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Originally Posted by MR0909 View Post
It's a manual 6 speed, little sluggish but it's a jeep and it's all mine!!!
Nope, it's not really--especially the 2 door with a 6 speed.

You're just shifting at too low of an RPM. Unless you're specifically looking to do the "Sunday driver" thing, try shifting at 3k RPM or higher as a matter of routine. Use 5th or 4th on the highway instead of 6th. If you're merging into traffic or need really fast acceleration, let it spool out to 4k+.

The 3.8 is actually quite quick! Congrats.

09-09-2011 03:53 PM
pderr676 I have been waiting since about May to buy a new Jeep. I fully intended on buying a 2012. I really wanted the increased HP and torque. I assumed the mpg would go up too, but 1mpg for an unlimited is basically nothing.

A local dealer got in a 2012 Rubicon Unlimited a few weeks ago. I went out and drove an '11 and a '12 back to back. During my short test drive I did not notice a seat of the pants difference between the two. So I saved some money and bought an '11 for $1K under invoice. Can you say money for toys?
09-09-2011 10:23 AM
MR0909 Yea I love it. The Interior is basically the same just leather heated seats. I'll post a picture.
09-08-2011 12:10 PM
sbouldin
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Originally Posted by MR0909 View Post
Well since I've started this post just wanted to let everyone know I went with the 2011 70th anniversary edition, and LOVE IT!!!! It's a manual 6 speed, little sluggish but it's a jeep and it's all mine!!! Thanks again for all your help.
Nice!!! Post some pics. How do you like the interior? That's the only real difference, right?
09-08-2011 06:10 AM
MR0909 Well since I've started this post just wanted to let everyone know I went with the 2011 70th anniversary edition, and LOVE IT!!!! It's a manual 6 speed, little sluggish but it's a jeep and it's all mine!!! Thanks again for all your help.
09-02-2011 06:33 AM
sbouldin
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Originally Posted by j0nx View Post
My local dealer has the EXACT sahara unlimited in the color and options that I would order one for out the door for $30081. That's a huge deal and a great savings over a '12. Man I'm tempted but I know I would be jealous of that new motor. If I could somehow drive both on my daily commute to see how they drove compared to each other. That kind of savings will more than make up for any gas savings over the course of the loan though. I am just not sure I want to take on a car loan now though but this sahara is the EXACT vehicle I would have ordered in every way.
I had the same concerns you did about the motor. I drove the '12 first and was dead set on that, then drove the '11. Don't get me wrong, there's a definite difference in the 2 engines, but in my mind, not enough to justify the price difference. I went with the '11 and don't regret my choice at all. I use it as a daily commuter and have no issues. I just understand that it's a jeep, not a sports car, so I'm not looking to blow by anyone. Now I'm going to waste all the money I saved on after market upgardes

My vote, go for the '11 and save the money!
09-02-2011 01:11 AM
Durango I hope this doesn't violate any forum tenets - I have no business interest in them, but I do believe that anyone looking for a good deal on a 2011 might want to look on-line at Huntington Beach Chrysler Jeep's inventory. They have some very sweet deals on remaining 2011's - I bought my Sahara from them, and a few months prior, a Cherokee, after finding out that no one else in the West could come down as low as they would...
If you live too far away to work a deal with them (they do have people fly in from elsewhere in the country), you could at least use their pricing in your negotiations with a local dealer. If you want a specific contact there, PM me and I'll tell you what I know...
09-01-2011 07:49 PM
demarpaint
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Originally Posted by ranjr View Post
I thought I remember hearing it requires a credit score of 675 to qualify. I got 2.25% for 72 months on my '12.
IIRC 0% usually calls for a 750 credit score or higher.
09-01-2011 07:39 PM
j0nx My local dealer has the EXACT sahara unlimited in the color and options that I would order one for out the door for $30081. That's a huge deal and a great savings over a '12. Man I'm tempted but I know I would be jealous of that new motor. If I could somehow drive both on my daily commute to see how they drove compared to each other. That kind of savings will more than make up for any gas savings over the course of the loan though. I am just not sure I want to take on a car loan now though but this sahara is the EXACT vehicle I would have ordered in every way.
09-01-2011 01:24 PM
ranjr
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Originally Posted by oilwell1415

Only if you qualify for 0%. Only about 10% do according to my dealer. I don't know if that's their average or a national average.
I thought I remember hearing it requires a credit score of 675 to qualify. I got 2.25% for 72 months on my '12.
09-01-2011 12:15 PM
oilwell1415
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Originally Posted by sbouldin

Not sure I follow. If opting out of the 1k incentive, you should then be able to get the 0% financing. It's either one or the other for the 2011s.
Only if you qualify for 0%. Only about 10% do according to my dealer. I don't know if that's their average or a national average.
09-01-2011 12:06 PM
sbouldin
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Originally Posted by ericmartin152 View Post
Oh yeah, got 1.9% financing which is better than taking the 1k incentive.
Not sure I follow. If opting out of the 1k incentive, you should then be able to get the 0% financing. It's either one or the other for the 2011s.
09-01-2011 12:00 PM
ericmartin152
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Originally Posted by ericmartin152
I just got a 2011 2 door Rubicon with both tops, NAV, automatic, tow package, and Sirius for 30k!
Oh yeah, got 1.9% financing which is better than taking the 1k incentive.
09-01-2011 11:58 AM
sbouldin
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Originally Posted by j0nx View Post
I gotta say the prices on the 11's right now are very tempting. I was only holding out for a '12 because of the hope of better fuel mileage which really isn't there. I can get a pretty well loaded '11 JKU Sahara out the door for less than $30k whereas it would be $33.3k out the door for the '12. Very tempting. I would of course have to drive both and see if I could deal with the power issues with the '11.

I couldn't pass up the cost savings on the '11 + the 0% financing. I got a Green Pearl 2011 JKU Sahara for $30K and love it. I would have spent $3 to $4k more for the 2012. Althought the '12 had more get up and go, in my mind it didn't justify spending the extra dough. To each their own though. I think no matter what you get, you'll enjoy the crap out of it. I am!!!
09-01-2011 11:55 AM
ericmartin152 I just got a 2011 2 door Rubicon with both tops, NAV, automatic, tow package, and Sirius for 30k!
09-01-2011 10:03 AM
j0nx I gotta say the prices on the 11's right now are very tempting. I was only holding out for a '12 because of the hope of better fuel mileage which really isn't there. I can get a pretty well loaded '11 JKU Sahara out the door for less than $30k whereas it would be $33.3k out the door for the '12. Very tempting. I would of course have to drive both and see if I could deal with the power issues with the '11.
08-29-2011 07:34 AM
Bronsonbull So what did the OP pick?
08-29-2011 05:27 AM
demarpaint In a diesel engine I'd say cast iron is the only way to go. I don't see any downside to the gas powered aluminum designed engine of today. The materials used, and gaskets have been perfected, early on they had problems, for sure!

As far as off road vehicles go, and the long haul. I often wonder why they couldn't have spent more time and money making the perfect I-6. High torque low rpm seems like a good idea to me, and a deep stroke, big bore I-6 makes plenty of power. I guess size, weight, and the EPA took their toll. Still I believe the Pentastar is one of the best engines to come in a long time, and we are going to hear lots of good things about it. I just hope they don't kill it with Direct Injection.
08-28-2011 08:02 PM
GreatOutdoors
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Originally Posted by demarpaint View Post
They've been using aluminum for quite a while in engine design and it works very well, the bugs have been worked out a long time ago. In fact aluminum engines get to operating temps faster than cast iron which is a plus, since engine oil protects better at normal operating temps, than it does when an engine is cold. If anything an aluminum engine might last even longer than cast iron.
You're right, aluminum engines have been around for decades, and all-aluminum engines have been around since the '50s. They are the perferred engine of racers and private vehicle owners alike. But there are inherent differences in the materials that cannot be neglected. Yes, aluminum absorbs/dissipates heat faster than iron. But is that necessarily a good thing? In a racercar, sure, we need the "engine oil" temps to heat up and cool down quickly (as you mentioned). But who's out there revving their Wrangler in the red? In addition, Aluminum expands and contracts easily and is known to have porosity problems during the block-casting. This has lead to a higher scrap ratio and an increased likelihood (when compared to iron) of oil leaks/cracks/etc. This is why it is more expensive to manufacture aluminum engines, because much attention, quality checking, and testing needs to go into the engine to ensure it will not fail.
Iron is much simpler to cast. It's easier to work with and it's inherent strength and integrity is superior to aluminum. Downside? It's heavy.
Many engines have employed both materials in their design. For example cast-iron heads with an aluminum block. However the differences in expansion from heat in the two materials can lead to engine issues later on. Good thing the 2012 Wrangler employs an all-aluminum engine so that expansion and contraction remains constant throughout the engine.
I'm sure the lifespan of the two engines types will be comparable. All I was pointing out was that when it comes an off-road vehicle we need something that will be there for the long-haul. Especially given that Wranglers get their most aggressive usage in their later years.
08-28-2011 12:10 PM
walc
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Originally Posted by JeffC View Post
These last few posts about Tan and Mango exactly describe my wife's and my decision for a 2011 JKU. I wanted a Rubicon for the big $$ savings off invoice and 0% while my wife was making the decision between Tan and Mango (both discontinued). So a 2011 was an easy decision .

We go to the last of many dealers and there were the Tan and Mango 2011 Rubicons parked sidexside and equipped exactly the same. The wife looks to the side and says "I want that one"....and we brought home the Deep Cherry
Gotta love em!
08-28-2011 11:26 AM
JeffC These last few posts about Tan and Mango exactly describe my wife's and my decision for a 2011 JKU. I wanted a Rubicon for the big $$ savings off invoice and 0% while my wife was making the decision between Tan and Mango (both discontinued). So a 2011 was an easy decision .

We go to the last of many dealers and there were the Tan and Mango 2011 Rubicons parked sidexside and equipped exactly the same. The wife looks to the side and says "I want that one"....and we brought home the Deep Cherry
08-28-2011 11:20 AM
panthermark ^Mango Tango and Sahara Tan are...no..."were"....the two best colors in the line-up IMO. I'm looking for a 2012.....but none of the current colors really speak to me....especially the way Mango Tango did.
08-28-2011 11:09 AM
XPADREX LOL I liked the Tan as well. I looked for a couple- but they were all 3.21, or automatics.

I wanted a 6sp, soft top, with air and 3.73. The Mango Tango was always a "joke" between my wife and I- I have a burnt orange (Aztec Orange Pearl) motorcycle, and her '10 Patriot we chose was the Sunset Orange Pearl, so when we'd swing by the dealership for a quick oil change this past winter, we saw the Mango Tango- and she said "you should get one of those!" Everytime we passed one, it was "there's mine!"

I had just bought the Patriot, and didn't figure on getting another new ride.

Then Wrangler fever hit me like a ton of bricks- so I looked on the Internet, and lo and behold a MT equipped precisely how I wanted it. Fate? You decide!
08-28-2011 10:58 AM
walc XPADREX,
I guess we both just have good taste.
The other color I really like is Sahara Tan and I don't believe it's available in 2012 either.
The new engine and 5 speed auto would probably be nice to have; but price and color were more important to me.
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