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09-02-2011 08:01 PM
QueueCumber As long as they are selling lots of Jeeps, especially Rubicons, the included and optional accouterments will keep getting better. Thus, it is a great thing that anyone and everyone is buying them. It also means that there will be more available on the used market as well. Seems like a win/win situation to me.
09-02-2011 07:50 PM
ESP
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Originally Posted by MTH View Post
That'd be helpful. My dad's 2010 2 door hardtop seemed like it was full of blind spots.
Agreed. This is one of the reasons I got ride of mine for a soft top. The other was it was hard top.
09-02-2011 07:45 PM
roxbury29 Hi, i noticed that in my 11 / they made the hardtop different in 2011, and now in 2012 .
09-02-2011 04:16 PM
jimmyzwheelz ^^^Nope, wiper motor is the same. But, the rear headrests are slimmer, which helps the visibility. The increased glass size is a welcome change!
09-02-2011 03:53 PM
silvrevo
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Originally Posted by 3JKs1H1 View Post
If you have the hard top, you'll notice there's more glass and skinnier pillars on the '12. Better visibility.
Thats good news.

I hope they did somthing with that wiper motor,,,way too big and in the way.
09-02-2011 12:26 PM
JIMBOX Heh Heh, I love the idea of the new jeeps, as long as they keep selling jeeps, we're OK-

But you coulda done the same with a previous JK/JKU, unless you JUST wanted a NEW jeep-and there's nothing wrong with that, but

The mold was cast in 2007 and all thats been done, is new tech suspension changes (motor/tranny)-you just had to mod the prototype to rival the "NEW STEED"

JIMBO
09-02-2011 12:26 PM
BenDiem
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Originally Posted by Osage Orange View Post
As I see it a good 0-60 time is a great way to show of your torque potential which directly correlates to the trail, not that you'll go 60 on the trail but maybe you'll have to get around that John Deere combine thats cruising at 10mph before the oncoming traffic arrives. This is a practical expectation IMHO. Now if people start expecting awesome quarter mile times, they might be in the wrong vehicle.
Absolutely agree. I'm a torque junky, and with the '12's torque curve coming on at lower rpms and a flatter/longer torque curve to boot, spells safety to me. I just want enuff torque to get me out of a potential safety/traffic issue.

I love my '10 Jeep, but it sure could stand some more TQ/Hp gains. More is more, lol!

Cheers all!

BB
09-02-2011 12:19 PM
Mykll
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Originally Posted by JIMBOX View Post
It's a shame that so many new jeep owners are more worried about the highway performance of the new jeep and not the off-road attraction of a "JEEP"--

Course, I guess there are so many DDs required that, we're losing the attraction of the mountain climbing vehicle, thats been on top the list for a LONG TIME !!

JIMBO
Guilty!

While I don't care about the exact racing times, it is nice to know there is some power when needed. I live on the down side of a hill on a 60 mph country road. So, while it looks clear, you may have someone on your butt in seconds. It is nice to know I can count on my speeding up over their paying attention and stopping power.

How about if I eat trail mix while cruising through the mall?
09-02-2011 12:17 PM
Osage Orange As I see it a good 0-60 time is a great way to show of your torque potential which directly correlates to the trail, not that you'll go 60 on the trail but maybe you'll have to get around that John Deere combine thats cruising at 10mph before the oncoming traffic arrives. This is a practical expectation IMHO. Now if people start expecting awesome quarter mile times, they might be in the wrong vehicle.
09-02-2011 12:17 PM
BenDiem ^^^ Ding Ding... We have a winner! Concur/Same outlook on life
09-02-2011 12:15 PM
Bubba68CS
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Originally Posted by JIMBOX View Post
It's a shame that so many new jeep owners are more worried about the highway performance of the new jeep and not the off-road attraction of a "JEEP"--

Course, I guess there are so many DDs required that, we're losing the attraction of the mountain climbing vehicle, thats been on top the list for a LONG TIME !!

JIMBO
You could look at it that way...

Or you could look at it like this: when you go out for dinner, do you just get whatever you can find regardless of taste because you are starving to death? Or do you get what you want, what will taste good, because it is a given that the food is available? Same concept with the Wrangler...no one worries about its off-road performance (food) because they know its there. They worry about the on-road performance (taste) because its not a given.

As long as they don't start making off-road compromises for on-road performance, progress is a good thing.
09-02-2011 12:02 PM
JIMBOX Thats true, right there without any mods--


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Originally Posted by OutlawJK View Post
the power will be there if needed at the Mall or on the trail
I drove an 11 with 35" tires, it needed the extra power badly
However I don't need any more mods and my little 3.8L/auto is totally outfitted for any terrain and towing, so there's no appeal in the 3.6L/diesel--I'm just hanging in !

JIMBO
09-02-2011 11:59 AM
OutlawJK
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Originally Posted by JIMBOX View Post
It's a shame that so many new jeep owners are more worried about the highway performance of the new jeep and not the off-road attraction of a "JEEP"--

Course, I guess there are so many DDs required that, we're losing the attraction of the mountain climbing vehicle, thats been on top the list for a LONG TIME !!

JIMBO
the power will be there if needed at the Mall or on the trail
I drove an 11 with 35" tires, it needed the extra power badly
09-02-2011 11:50 AM
JIMBOX It's a shame that so many new jeep owners are more worried about the highway performance of the new jeep and not the off-road attraction of a "JEEP"--

Course, I guess there are so many DDs required that, we're losing the attraction of the mountain climbing vehicle, thats been on top the list for a LONG TIME !!

JIMBO
09-02-2011 11:27 AM
Osage Orange Whats kind of cool is that the 3.6L Wrangler's 0-60 time is only .3 seconds slower than a 2011 Challenger V6's 6.4 second run time which also has the 3.6L.
09-02-2011 09:29 AM
BenDiem ^^^ Yep, the article mentioned the motor sounds a lot deeper and less lumpy, if memory serves me. The article mentioned that rock climbers will not be disappointed with the extra torque.

I have a hard top, and I did not notice the difference in the extra glass. Will look again tonight.

The alternator was moved to a higher area in the engine bay

The article mentioned the interior (parts/dashboard) is of a much higher quality - though that occurred in '11...

The 2-Door Wrangler they tested w/hard top weighs just under 4,000 pounds.

After reading the article, I thought to myself that there will be a lot of surprised motorists who will be shocked that a Wrangler can sprint out of the hole, much quicker than before. The three second improvement in acceleration from 0-60 will in fact surprise a lot of motorists who recall that most Wranglers are slow.... Imagine the surprised motorist's face when you pass them upon acceleration. This will be priceless!!!

Finally some performance repect for the Wrangler, lol!!!
09-02-2011 09:01 AM
tcass k....it goes fast (already know that)....it has more glass area (didn't notice that)....anything else interesting in the article??

cass
09-02-2011 08:57 AM
MTH
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Originally Posted by daedalus
Hm, I have a hardtop for my 2010 2 door and the visibility seems great. But improvement is always a good thing.
I might just be used to my 4 door soft top, which gives better site lines I think. Also my dad has both tops, and the soft is quite a bit better even for the 2 door.
09-02-2011 08:55 AM
daedalus Hm, I have a hardtop for my 2010 2 door and the visibility seems great. But improvement is always a good thing.
09-02-2011 08:38 AM
MTH
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Originally Posted by 3JKs1H1
If you have the hard top, you'll notice there's more glass and skinnier pillars on the '12. Better visibility.
That'd be helpful. My dad's 2010 2 door hardtop seemed like it was full of blind spots.
09-02-2011 08:34 AM
3JKs1H1 If you have the hard top, you'll notice there's more glass and skinnier pillars on the '12. Better visibility.
09-02-2011 08:31 AM
Osage Orange
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Originally Posted by BenDiem View Post
Just received the latest Motor Trend magazine in the mail last night. Short article on the '12 Wrangler. 0-60 mph in 6.7 seconds. Thats fast!

The article mentioned that the new '12 Wrangler has more glass area than its predecessors??? I looked at my '10, and did not notice a difference???

Those who do little trailing will enjoy the much quicker Wrangler. Looking forward to purchasing a new Wrangler.

The huge increase in performance alone, will make me buy the new Wrangler.

Cheers,

BB
Polycarbonate glass would make it go faster, half the weight of regular automotive glass.
09-02-2011 08:25 AM
BenDiem
2012 Jeep Wrangler - Motor Trend short test

Just received the latest Motor Trend magazine in the mail last night. Short article on the '12 Wrangler. 0-60 mph in 6.7 seconds. Thats fast!

The article mentioned that the new '12 Wrangler has more glass area than its predecessors??? I looked at my '10, and did not notice a difference???

Those who do little trailing will enjoy the much quicker Wrangler. Looking forward to purchasing a new Wrangler.

The huge increase in performance alone, will make me buy the new Wrangler.

Cheers,

BB

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