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11-01-2007 04:51 PM
rebelBullDawg325 yea, it was harder to find a square picture bc most of them used are the rectangular. i've also heard mention before that it is st. george's cross, but i'm not too sure. to my knowledge, st/ george's has 1 vertical and 1 horizontal line(looks kind of like cross hairs) whereas st. andrews cross is the 2 diagonal lines. but either way, you get the point. people get mad about stuff there is no need to get mad about, and then argue invalid points with thorough ignorance
10-31-2007 11:19 PM
Jase GA flags:
10-31-2007 11:18 PM
Jase
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Originally Posted by rebelBullDawg325 View Post
a few ys back the georgia legislature, through referendum, allowed the people of the state to vote on whether or not to change the state flag, which contained st. andrews cross(one of the battle flags most people get upset about).
If you research it more, the Confederate flag was based off of St George's Cross, not St Andrew's. St Andrew had no special importance to the southern period of time. The designer was trying not to upset the Southern Jews and changed the St George's Cross from upright to diagonal.

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Originally Posted by rebelBullDawg325 View Post
in order from left to right top row then bottom...... one of the confederate battle flags commonly used by confederate troops. the design is a "spin-off" i guess you'd say of st. andrews cross.
The battle flags were square as per a suggestion from General Johnston. The rectangular flag commonly used today is a combination of the battle flag's colors and the naval jack's design.
10-31-2007 10:39 PM
rebelBullDawg325 this one with the battle flag is i believe the original GA state flag and i know teh longest standing one. after the people voted we adopted blue one (from 2001 - 2003) but then changed to the new one i showed in the last post. i'm not exactly poitive of why we switched in 03 but i want to say it has something to do with the 5 flags at the bottom (2 US flags and the flags that have flown over GA) i believe there is a law that states when pictured together the american flag must be bigger than the others, well, they're all the same size and to stretch the law, many consertaves said that having a small american flag on a larger state flag broke this law. forcing the change to the newest flag which i showed last post. but do not quote me onthat
10-31-2007 10:29 PM
sgnellett
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Originally Posted by rebelBullDawg325 View Post
in order from left to right top row then bottom...... one of the confederate battle flags commonly used by confederate troops. the design is a "spin-off" i guess you'd say of st. andrews cross. the 2nd flag is the 1st natl flag of the confederacy, originally containing 7 stars (for the 7 original states to secede) after the next few states left the union, there were 13 stars, one ofr each confederate state. this flag is known as the "stars and bars" (which is commonly miscalled name of the 1st flag). the next one is the current GA state flag, which the people of my state voted on bc they wanted to get rid of the "confederate flag" our old flag contained. (note the number of stars) only difference is the state seal in the middle...... bottom row left, 2nd natil flag of the confederacy, "stainless banner" and the last flag was the 3rd and final version of the confederate natl flag.... hope this isnt too confusing, feel free to ask ?'s
Wow, I had never seen most of those, that is kinda sad and funny about the new GA flag, what was the old one like?
10-31-2007 10:18 PM
Levinoss These colors dont run remember that =P

^_^

~Lev
10-31-2007 10:15 PM
rebelBullDawg325 in order from left to right top row then bottom...... one of the confederate battle flags commonly used by confederate troops. the design is a "spin-off" i guess you'd say of st. andrews cross. the 2nd flag is the 1st natl flag of the confederacy, originally containing 7 stars (for the 7 original states to secede) after the next few states left the union, there were 13 stars, one ofr each confederate state. this flag is known as the "stars and bars" (which is commonly miscalled name of the 1st flag). the next one is the current GA state flag, which the people of my state voted on bc they wanted to get rid of the "confederate flag" our old flag contained. (note the number of stars) only difference is the state seal in the middle...... bottom row left, 2nd natil flag of the confederacy, "stainless banner" and the last flag was the 3rd and final version of the confederate natl flag.... hope this isnt too confusing, feel free to ask ?'s
10-31-2007 10:07 PM
sgnellett
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Originally Posted by rebelBullDawg325 View Post
i wonder if al sharpton, or most people that get offended by the flag, even know what flag they're really looking at. they all confuse ONE of the many confederate BATLLE flags with the actual confederate flag..... it really trips me out. a few ys back the georgia legislature, through referendum, allowed the people of the state to vote on whether or not to change the state flag, which contained st. andrews cross(one of the battle flags most people get upset about). the vote passed and our new flag look almost exactly like the original confederate national flag, except we have the state seal in the upper left corner. so now people are happy bc they think we got rid of the confederate flag.....

moral of the story, before you argue something, now what you're pissed about. or dont talk at all


Not to be a wise ass, but I have no idea what you are talking about. Can you show us some of the different ones, so I know what we're talking about?
10-31-2007 09:04 PM
Levinoss
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Originally Posted by 4point View Post
ah, nobody wins, its not a game. Right or wrong its a belief.
Wrote a huge reply but deleted it.


You win

~Lev
10-31-2007 08:20 PM
4point
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Originally Posted by 02Prove View Post
Not trying to "win". Just bring a different perspective to the table.
ah, nobody wins, its not a game. Right or wrong its a belief.
10-31-2007 08:12 PM
02Prove Not trying to "win". Just bring a different perspective to the table.
10-31-2007 08:08 PM
Levinoss
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Originally Posted by 4point View Post
02 I had a long post but I deleted it. I'd say you are partially right.

Oh and that flag reminds me of "red neck" "whiskey" or a "souther belle"
You do the same thing I do most of the time write a huge ass reply then delete it and reply with "you win who cares" LOL


~Lev
10-31-2007 07:50 PM
4point 02 I had a long post but I deleted it. I'd say you are partially right.








Oh and that flag reminds me of "red neck" "whiskey" or a "souther belle"
10-31-2007 07:08 PM
02Prove
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Originally Posted by rebelBullDawg325 View Post
what exactly is not right??? flying the confederate flag?
Don't get your feathers ruffled. Read on.

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Originally Posted by Jase View Post
Rebel, the bad thing with the flag is that the image is what offends the majority of people due to its use by hate groups. There is a lot of heritage behind it but there are many bad memories behind it as well. Most people will never know of the original Stars & Bars, the Stainless Banner or the 2nd / 3rd national flags. What people know today is a combo of the battle flag and a naval flag.. although it was never used in the Civil War or for oppression with slavery. It has been used by the hate groups as the 'rebel' flag. That usage hurts many people.
Perfect explanation of why we should all let the flag be. There are plenty of people who argue the point and realize what that flag stands for. However, there is a vast majority who is offended by it be it through ignorance or whatever. Why fight about something so trivial. We are all American and have a flag that represents ALL states. Why not embrace that one and let go of an antiquated relic that has nothing but a historical significance of a negative era.

I'm a southern born and bred PROUD white feller. However, I do not condone nor do I tolerate racism in any form what so ever. We have bigger fish to fry than what the hell color you are. Close yourself off from other cultures and you are sadly missing out on life... nor will you be able to be a happy, well rounded human being.

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Originally Posted by Jase View Post
What gets me the ticked about apologies & renumeration is that if it were not for that period of time where slaves were being brought over, the black/african American population in the US would only just now be growing. I'm not going to apologize for something someone did 400+ years ago that as a result is a benefit for everyone else today. I feel if people like Sharpton would go away, my children would not know what racism towards blacks/ African Americans is.
I agree with most of that. However there are plenty of other morons out there waiting to take Al and Jesse's place when they kick the bucket. Unfortunately the lion's share of racism still comes from the home and how the children are being raised.
10-31-2007 05:49 PM
Jase Rebel, the bad thing with the flag is that the image is what offends the majority of people due to its use by hate groups. There is a lot of heritage behind it but there are many bad memories behind it as well. Most people will never know of the original Stars & Bars, the Stainless Banner or the 2nd / 3rd national flags. What people know today is a combo of the battle flag and a naval flag.. although it was never used in the Civil War or for oppression with slavery. It has been used by the hate groups as the 'rebel' flag. That usage hurts many people.

What gets me the ticked about apologies & renumeration is that if it were not for that period of time where slaves were being brought over, the black/african American population in the US would only just now be growing. I'm not going to apologize for something someone did 400+ years ago that as a result is a benefit for everyone else today. I feel if people like Sharpton would go away, my children would not know what racism towards blacks/ African Americans is.
10-31-2007 05:39 PM
Gwjvw yea baby! Fly it high!!!


Another battle between my big Daddy Dodge Cummins turbo diesel and my friends crappy powerstruggle ford!
10-31-2007 05:13 PM
rebelBullDawg325 i wonder if al sharpton, or most people that get offended by the flag, even know what flag they're really looking at. they all confuse ONE of the many confederate BATLLE flags with the actual confederate flag..... it really trips me out. a few ys back the georgia legislature, through referendum, allowed the people of the state to vote on whether or not to change the state flag, which contained st. andrews cross(one of the battle flags most people get upset about). the vote passed and our new flag look almost exactly like the original confederate national flag, except we have the state seal in the upper left corner. so now people are happy bc they think we got rid of the confederate flag.....

moral of the story, before you argue something, now what you're pissed about. or dont talk at all
10-31-2007 04:57 PM
whitebuffalo honestly, i dont agree that flying the rebel flag is racist. contrary to poular belief, there was alot more than slavery to the civil war. furthermore, you can't swing a dead cat without seeing a mexican flag, british flag, etc (both of which we have been to war with) without incident.

im most definetly not a cheney fan, but i say BFD. who cares?
10-31-2007 04:41 PM
rebelBullDawg325
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Originally Posted by 02Prove View Post
That's more or less exactly what I'm saying. It's not right but then again so much in this country has gone wrong over the years.
what exactly is not right??? flying the confederate flag?
10-31-2007 12:45 PM
sgnellett All I can say is AMEN to that Skeeter!

Oh, and Good Luck on getting even the apology, much less any financial renumeration from the democratic party leadership! Even if it were taxpayer money, they'd never actually pay it without some other incentive, now if they could just figure out a way to make paying this also allow illegal immigrant amnesty, it'd buy them millions of new voters as part of a new class of disenfranchised voters....
10-31-2007 12:11 PM
skeeter Hopefully someday black Americans will stop believing the lies the demoncrats spew and recognize their so called leaders for what they are.



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An Open Letter to the Democratic Party
By Lt. Colonel Frances Rice,U.S. Army Retired

We, African American citizens of the United States, declare and assert:

Whereas in the early 1600’s 20 African men and women were landed in Virginia from a Dutch ship as slaves and from that tiny seed grew the poisoned fruit of plantation slavery which shaped the course of American development,

Whereas reconciliation and healing always begin with an apology and an effort to repay those who have been wronged,

Whereas the Democratic Party has never apologized for their horrific atrocities and racist practices committed against African Americans during the past two hundred years, nor for the residual impact that those atrocities and practices and current soft bigotry of low expectations are having on us today,

Whereas the Democratic Party fought to expand slavery and, after the Civil War, established Jim Crow Laws, Black Codes and other repressive legislation that were designed to disenfranchise African Americans,

Whereas the Ku Klux Klan was the terrorist arm of the Democratic Party, and their primary goal was to intimidate and terrorize African American voters, Republicans who moved South to protect African Americans and any other whites who supported them,

Whereas, according to leading historians (both black and white), the horrific atrocities committed against African Americans during slavery and Reconstruction were financed, sponsored, and promoted by the Democratic Party and their Ku Klux Klan supporters,

Whereas from 1870 to 1930, in an effort to deny African Americans their civil rights and to keep African Americans from voting Republican, thousands of African Americans were shot, beaten, lynched, mutilated, and burned to death by Ku Klux Klan terrorists from the Democratic Party,

Whereas Democratic Presidents Franklin D. Roosevelt and Harry Truman rejected anti-lynching laws and efforts to establish a permanent Civil Rights Commission,

Whereas the Democratic party has used racist demagoguery to deceive African Americans about the history of the Republican Party that: (a) started as the anti-slavery party in 1854, (b) fought to free African Americans from slavery, (c) designed Reconstruction, a ten-year period of unprecedented political power for African Americans, (d) passed the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth Amendments to the U. S. Constitution granting African Americans freedom, citizenship, and the right to vote, (e) passed the Civil Rights Acts of 1866 and 1875 granting African Americans protection from the Black Codes and prohibiting racial discrimination in public accommodations, (f) passed the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and the Civil Rights Acts of 1964 and 1965 granting African Americans protection from the Jim Crow laws, (g) established Affirmative Action programs to help African Americans proper with Republican President Richard Nixon's 1969 Philadelphia Plan that set the first goals and timetables and his 1972 Equal Employment Opportunity Act that made Affirmative Action Programs the law of our nation, and (h) never sponsored or launched a program, passed laws, or engaged in practices that resulted in the death of millions of African Americans,

Whereas Brown vs. the Board of Education of Topeka (a 1954 decision by Chief Justice Earl Warren who was appointed by Republican President Dwight Eisenhower) was a landmark civil rights case that was designed to overturn the racist practices that were established by the Democratic Party,

Whereas after Democratic President Franklin D. Roosevelt received the vote of African Americans, he banned African American newspapers from the military shortly after taking office because he was convinced the newspapers were communists,

Whereas Democratic President John F. Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil Rights Law, opposed the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., and was later criticized by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. for ignoring civil rights issues.

Whereas Democratic President John F. Kennedy authorized the FBI (supervised by his brother, Attorney General Robert Kennedy) to investigate Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. on suspicion of being a communist,

Whereas Democratic Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, a former member of the Ku Klux Klan, made a 14-hour filibuster speech in the Senate in June 1964 in an unsuccessful effort to block passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act and was heralded in April 2004 by Democratic Senator Christopher Dodd as a senator who would have been a great leader during the Civil War,

Whereas when the 1964 Civil Rights Act came up for vote, Senator Al Gore, Sr. and the rest of the Southern Democrats voted against the bill,

Whereas in the House of Representatives only 61 percent of the Democrats voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act as compared to 80 percent of Republicans, and in the Senate only 69 percent of the Democrats voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act, compared to 82 percent of the Republicans,

Whereas Democratic President Bill Clinton sent troops to Europe to protect the citizens of Bosnia and Kosovo while allowing an estimated 800,000 black Rwandans to be massacred in Africa, vetoed the welfare reform law twice before signing it, and refused to comply with a court order to have shipping companies develop an Affirmative Action Plan,

Whereas Democratic presidential candidate Al Gore created harmful racial division when he falsely claimed that the 2000 presidential election was “stolen” from him and that African Americans in Florida were disenfranchised, even though a second recount of Florida votes by the “Miami Herald” and a consortium of major news organizations confirmed that he lost the election, and a ruling by the U.S. Civil Rights Commission declared that African Americans were not denied the right to vote,

Whereas the Democratic Party's soft bigotry of low expectations and social promotions have consigned African Americans to economic bondage and created a culture of dependency on government social programs,

Whereas the Democratic Party's use of deception and fear to block welfare reform, the faith-based initiative and school choice that would help African Americans prosper is consistent with the Democratic Party's heritage of racism that included sanctioning of slavery and kukluxery, a perversion of moral sentiment among leaders of the Democratic Party whose racist legacy bode ill until this generation of African Americans,

Now, therefore, for the above and other documented atrocities and accumulated wrongs inflicted upon African Americans, we demand a formal written apology and other appropriate remuneration from the leadership of the Democratic party.
10-31-2007 09:57 AM
foxinthemudd on the same subject just along another path...I want to also point out (becides the fact that Rev. AL S is an moron) that the swastka was also used as a indian and hispanic symbol for ceremonies on flags, baskets, and whatnot. it is still used in south america and is recoginized as the 4 seasons of the year among other things. wonder if AL would try and turn this around if he saw it hanging on an indian reservation... dumbass...
10-30-2007 05:37 PM
Levinoss Ight thanks for clearing it up

~Lev
10-30-2007 05:34 PM
02Prove
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Originally Posted by Levinoss View Post
So what your saying prove is because a few ignorant assholes pick to fly that flag we shouldn't fly that flag? Basically the few ruin it for the majority?

Just clearing your post up.



~Lev
That's more or less exactly what I'm saying. It's not right but then again so much in this country has gone wrong over the years.
10-30-2007 05:23 PM
Levinoss So what your saying prove is because a few ignorant assholes pick to fly that flag we shouldn't fly that flag? Basically the few ruin it for the majority?

Just clearing your post up.



~Lev
10-30-2007 04:58 PM
02Prove People need to realize that the confederate flag (regardless of how you personally feel) is a symbol of the old south and has been adopted by hate groups as a symbol of their racially defunct beliefs.

....AND AL SHARPTON CAN GO F**K HIMSELF!
10-30-2007 04:57 PM
4point Well, the rev is one stupid, ignorant, racist............................12 sandwich eat'n rat bastard.
10-30-2007 04:45 PM
rebelBullDawg325 i read that while at work today, it is by far one of the stupidest and most ignorant things i have ever heard
10-30-2007 03:25 PM
rokspydr geez who gives a S$%T Let him hunt where he want's to. And F$%K Rev. AL
10-30-2007 03:13 PM
Levinoss
Cheney Underfire for Confederate Flag

Leave it to AL sharpten to have something to say about anything with bars and stars.

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UNION VALE, New York (AP) -- Vice President Dick Cheney spent about eight hours hunting Monday at a secluded Hudson Valley gun club where well-heeled enthusiasts shoot ducks and pheasants.
It was Cheney's second visit to Clove Valley Rod & Gun Club in Dutchess County, about 70 miles north of New York City. The previous trip was in fall 2001.

Although a heavy police presence kept the media and curious local residents at a distance, Cheney's visit did stir up a bit of controversy when a New York Daily News photographer snapped a picture of a small Confederate flag hanging inside a garage on the hunt club property.

The photo was shown to New York City civil rights activist the Rev. Al Sharpton, who issued a statement demanding that the vice president "leave immediately, denounce the club and apologize for going to a club that represents lynching, hate and murder to black people."

Sharpton's statement was issued hours after Cheney departed the club at 3:45 p.m. for a flight out of the Stewart Air National Guard Base. In a statement issued Monday evening, Cheney spokeswoman Megan Mitchell said neither Cheney nor anyone on his staff saw such a flag at the hunt club.

It's not clear whether the door of the garage that contained the flag was even open at the time the vice president was in the area.

The flag flap was minor compared with the controversy that arose in 2006 after Cheney peppered attorney Harry Whittington with birdshot while quail hunting in Texas. The vice president was criticized for not immediately going public with the incident.
All I have to say is QQ tbh

~Lev

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