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09-06-2011 08:27 AM
kik
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Originally Posted by rics1997 View Post
I wrote this in another thread but here it is again.

A quick upgrade would be to replace the stock bulbs with H13 Phillips Xtreme 80% brighter bulbs. They are the easiest upgrade without having to change out the entire system and run relays to make the system work. It was a great improvement and one of my first mods. The Sylvania's are just not as good as the Phillips but the Phillips are harder to find. Not at most big chains. Local part stores sometimes carry them but Amazon and Ebay both have them for sale.
X2. That's exactly what I did on my 10 Rubi about 2 wks after we got it. I didn't want to deal with relays or anything complicated because I didn't need it. Based upon discussing it with Hilldweller I went with the above and am extremely satisfied with this upgrade. The original bulbs that came out were Phillips, but obviously not the +80's. Also went with the Bosch Evolution 16" wiper blades at the same time and they have been in for the past year and a half with no streaking whatsoever. They fit perfect.
09-06-2011 08:12 AM
Pomz623 why not just change it an HID kit. and do they also make a different headlight projector housing, i haven't seen any?
09-06-2011 08:08 AM
Vyper340 Check YouTube for Rigid LED and see the rests of the stock lights. Pretty interesting
09-06-2011 05:31 AM
KSCRUDE I put a set of piaa extreme whitE h13 bulbs on mine. Quite a bit better then the stock junk. Then I mounted a set of warn 7 inch HID lights on the front bumper and wired them to the bright light circuit. Now when I hit the brite switch I have the piaa brites and the warn brites and I have good wide light for at least half to a full mile. The piaa bulbs are $75 a set and the warn 7 inch hid lites run about $435 or so per set. Very nice combo and the warn lights will really get out there. They will blind oncoming traffic just like any good brite lite, but you don't run your brites when you have oncoming traffic! You can drive for hours out here in western Kansas and never see another soul, not even a zombie, just them damn deer you have to look out for and good lites really help in seeing them.
09-06-2011 04:39 AM
cu in oz I'm older.......at 65 ......night driving is a bitch at times. I've been considering changing out my bulbs to the Sylvania's as I did that on my previous truck. They helped a great deal. I'll look for the Phillips.

The stock headlights do seem to be ok.....its just that they are not THAT ok. MHO.
09-06-2011 12:58 AM
rics1997 I wrote this in another thread but here it is again.

A quick upgrade would be to replace the stock bulbs with H13 Phillips Xtreme 80% brighter bulbs. They are the easiest upgrade without having to change out the entire system and run relays to make the system work. It was a great improvement and one of my first mods. The Sylvania's are just not as good as the Phillips but the Phillips are harder to find. Not at most big chains. Local part stores sometimes carry them but Amazon and Ebay both have them for sale.
09-06-2011 12:52 AM
mhemingway Not to hi jack this thread but I would like to hear from people who have changed either the bulb or the entire headlight. I have heard both. My neighbor bought piaa and they put out a very bright blueish light. I thought he said they were $100 each but i did not see any for that price that seem to fit a jk. So it could be the ones that are $100 pair. He also said if you get a dot light that is too powerful you would have to change the harness as you would otherwise melt it.

This will be one of my first upgrades besides tires,wheels, lift and weathertech floor mats.

Please post us your bulb and hardware changes.
09-06-2011 12:17 AM
jk'n Peace, couldn't tell if it was the answer to the question or part of the endorsement. Sounds like a great place to do business buying stuff for your jeep.

I'm pretty much happy with the performance of the headlights stock and if I were to replace them whatever they were would have to be DOT type accepted. I wouldn't want to be riding around blinding folks with a lot of the stuff out there that is not type accepted.
09-05-2011 11:57 PM
Hellraiser Wow yes it is. I said it in my first sentence. Ok peace out.
09-05-2011 11:48 PM
jk'n You didn't answer the question. You gave an endorsement of a person. Have you seen the DOT stamp on the hardware?
09-05-2011 11:32 PM
Hellraiser
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Originally Posted by jk'n

Are they stamped with DOT accepted on them?
Sure are. They were purchased at my local offroad store. The person who sold them to me owns 10 offroad and street legal Jeeps. So he knows his stuff.
09-05-2011 11:28 PM
jk'n
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Originally Posted by Hellraiser View Post
My 2008 stock headlights were absolute crap! Yes were. I replaced those safety hazard useless pieces of junk with IIPF's. Now I can see when I drive! I know what a concept.
Are they stamped with DOT accepted on them?
09-05-2011 11:26 PM
Hellraiser My 2008 stock headlights were absolute crap! Yes were. I replaced those safety hazard useless pieces of junk with IIPF's. The yellow dull light is useless. The white light halogen light is amazing. Now I can see when I drive! I know what a concept.
09-05-2011 11:22 PM
jk'n
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Originally Posted by schj98 View Post
I did not miss your point it was just funny.

The problem is not the amount of light produced it is how it is focused.

Case in point I purchased a set of aftermarket fixtures with standard headlight bulbs and got a large improvement.

Anyway It's pointless to argue about it do a few searches on jk headlights and you will find this is a widely discussed problem.
I am aware of what people are saying. This forum has been just as lively in the discussion of headlights as I'm sure others have been. Light focus to the center certainly will change the level of light at distance for the better but it also changes the pattern. I would contend that with low beam, I like the fact that the reflectors put light out not just straight ahead but also some to the sides. It helps when determining distance when there is light visible from the sides. It also helps in seeing pedestrians. Focus the light too much centered and it results in a bit of tunnel vision. That is why I say it is adequate. When I have my low beams on I can see adequately ahead to be able to drive at night as should most folks with normal vision.

This discussion reminds me of discussions of transmitter antennae. The theories are pretty much the same. A light puts out x number of watts. If you focused it into a beam 2" wide at 50 feet you would be able to see whatever is in that two inch diameter extremely well, especially with a telescope. You could probably focus on just that area and see well. That of course is taking it to a ridiculous level of focus. But it gets the point across. The bulb that you put into the headlight produces only so much light. Since most headlights are using the same bulb, then the differences are where that light is directed. You can change it from stock but testing of stock headlights have to do with light directly ahead and light at an angle to form a uniform field of light ahead and somewhat less at an angle and less as the angle increases. All to be able to see enough of the road and the side of the road so as to navigate well. I'm sure that this is all covered in Federal DOT regulations or there would be total chaos in the market. So I would say just as with most stock lighting systems, the jeep is adequate.

There are a lot of complaints about the engine too. But for what I bought it for, the 3.8 does just fine. If I had bought an airplane the light output would have been inadequate for flying. But the jeep is adequate for driving at night. If I wanted to beat a vet off of the light I wouldn't buy a jeep. My jeep came with acceptable headlights for a jeep but not for landing an airplane. For that I would have bought an airplane and it would have come with adequate light directed ahead at an angle to allow for its function....landing and takeoff. Some people like lights that would be more appropriate on an airplane on their jeep. Fortunately there are some laws that say there is a limit to how much light you can direct ahead.
09-05-2011 10:55 PM
schj98 I did not miss your point it was just funny.

The problem is not the amount of light produced it is how it is focused.

Case in point I purchased a set of aftermarket fixtures with standard headlight bulbs and got a large improvement.

Anyway It's pointless to argue about it do a few searches on jk headlights and you will find this is a widely discussed problem.
09-05-2011 10:22 PM
jk'n
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Originally Posted by schj98 View Post
So when you turn your high beams on people flash their lights at you?

Shocking!
You missed my point...if I didn't get a high beam in response I'd be checking if they were working....and why they didn't get irritating to oncoming traffic. Point is that they put out ample light. Light meters are an impartial judge. If the jeep were not putting out enough light as measured, we would be hearing about the measurements and jeep would have no choice but to get it done right. That isn't happening. The light output is adequate at distance for a stock system.
09-05-2011 10:15 PM
schj98
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When I put my high beams on, oncoming cars flash theirs at me indicating that the light is too much for them.
So when you turn your high beams on people flash their lights at you?

Shocking!

The stock headlights are very poor reflectors there are many many threads confirming that fact.

I can see quite well but I still prefer to have an adequate set of headlights on my Jeep.

Also its embarrassing for my JK's headlights to be beaten by my dad's TJ
09-05-2011 10:14 PM
KarlG Will be interesting to see how they are stock. Many times I have found that poor lighting were just lights never adjusted by the dealer on delivery and aiming adjustment is easy.
09-05-2011 09:32 PM
jk'n I have an 08 and it has stock lights. When I put my high beams on, oncoming cars flash theirs at me indicating that the light is too much for them. Just like all the others that I have driven over the last 30+ years. Recently I had to do a lot of driving at night back and forth between western MA and western CT to visit/pick-up/drop-off my son to camp at least twice a week, 1-1/2 hours of driving each way over hilly back roads. I have normal eyesight...I need glasses for reading but distance is fine. When I am on the road by myself with no oncoming traffic, putting the high beams on I can see so far into the distance that I fear not the dark. What more does one expect out of the lights of any vehicle?

I have a spot light that I used when I was the director of a scout camp. It puts out 27,000,000 candlepower. That is 27 million for those having trouble counting the zeros. Put your hand in front of it and you could feel your hand get too hot to leave it there. I could light up the opposite side of the lake like daylight. The scouts in camp referred to it as the "midnight sun". I don't need to see that distance in my jeep but it was really neat having it in camp. I just can't understand why I would need more light in front of my jeep....unless I were having trouble with my eyes? But should I purchase the midnight sun and wipe everybody's sight out on the road? If I were having problems seeing at night I would have to give up night driving. The jeep has adequate output for night driving stock IMHO.
09-05-2011 08:13 PM
TRubicon
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Originally Posted by KSCRUDE
My 11 wrangler had the worst headlights i think i have ever had in the last 45 years anyway. But u would think they would of at least fixed them for the holy grail 12 wrangler. Maybe they just put a mosses on the dash to see for u and the jesus motor and u dont need much light.
The Aura from under the hood lights your way.
09-05-2011 08:06 PM
KSCRUDE My 11 wrangler had the worst headlights i think i have ever had in the last 45 years anyway. But u would think they would of at least fixed them for the holy grail 12 wrangler. Maybe they just put a mosses on the dash to see for u and the jesus motor and u dont need much light.
09-05-2011 07:54 PM
daggo66 07 through 12 are the same.
09-05-2011 07:21 PM
schj98
2012 Headlights

Are they any better than the 2010 headlights?

Or are they just the same crap?

Thanks!

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