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06-21-2012 08:31 PM
freeskier I realize this was a while ago, but that was some nasty gear oil. Looks like someone took a crap in you diff.

I just got my Artec truss in today. I would agree the truss portion is a bit overkill for smaller tires (especially my current 33s and plans for 35s) but I'd rather have overkill. Plus you get ease of install and it makes a 4 link a lot easier. It's 330$ now and you can use the coupon code Jeepforum to get 10% off.
06-21-2012 07:56 PM
Rwill8751 You know if you didnt live so far away I would just give you my D35 because its taking up space in the bed of my truck
06-21-2012 07:50 PM
L9601710l im running 37" on what used to be my stock d35. the first time wheelin with the new tires.... BOOM!!!! rend end went up into 1,000,000 pieces lol within onl of about 15 minutes of riding. i put in a 8.8 and its awesome. the disc brakes make it stop on a freaking dime lol but i would say anything over 33's... might as well replace the d35 to save the headache that WILL happen. and most likely on the trails where it turns into a huge headache lol. just sayin
10-24-2011 07:38 PM
IndyJeepMan GS pointed you towards myself, I have an 8.8 almost barebones in my garage right now. I can give you a quite thurough explanation of the 8.8, its pros, cons, and how much you will be looking to spend!

I am also, going with the Artec system with Truss, I'll be going to 35"s so the truss will be nice not only for the extra strength but for a possible 4 link in the rear in the future. Its a great kit, theyve sold alot of them and they are about impossible to mess up installation, the only thing you could mess up would be the angle in which you weld the brackets relative to the pinion angle, and thats covered in the given instructions

Truss will also help with tube spin/bend in hardcore situations! The inner axle shafts of an 8.8 are massive, and the common 31 spline shafts are incredibly strong, so no need for chromo's or a c clip eliminator unless you are going to be really pushing this axle hard.

The deal of the day is a score! I'd snag it up..

Heres a ROUGH layout of costs to build this axle for 35"s. Anything below a 33" and youre kind of hurting ground clearance but can be done with 31"s. If you are running anything smaller than 33"s this can be off!

Axle- $150 at a junk yard, can be had from a 95-01 explorer. Comes with disc brakes, many gear ratios and even an LSD. a D2 comes with LSD and 4.10's mine came with 3.73's and LSD.

Gears- $100+ Yukon, G2, Motive are brands that make gears for the 8.8, unless you get one with a gear set that is what you want!

Locker or LSD- $400-$1000 The factory carriers are known to be weak in rough to hardcore wheeling situations, a full case locker or even a new LSD will cure this.

Axle Shafts- they have 28 spline and 31 spline, try and get the 31 spline and it will save you some cash, but the 28 splines are still a tad stronger than a D44 shaft. No need for aftermarket till around 37"s.

Outer end hardware and brakes- Look for around $150-$900, totally depends on what you want, and how much you have to spend!

Misc- $200 for seals, brake lines, e brake cable, u joint, blah blah.

Welding and Sandblasting- $200, $50 for sandblasting and $150 for welding, can be much less..

In the ballpark of $1550... Sell you scrap axle for $150, youre at $1400... for a very strong and reliable axle! That is locked! You can save almost $700 by keeping the axle open, but for me its a must to have a locker..
10-22-2011 10:51 PM
GoldenSahara00 http://www.wranglerforum.com/f8/ford...ml#post1682935
10-22-2011 10:51 PM
GoldenSahara00 There is another guy planning out his 8.8, and a bud of mine indy man has his all planed out. I am sure if you want to you can discuss some of this stuff with them. Ill get you a link to the thread so you can PM them or whatever if you wish.

But I am with jerry, and that does sound like a good deal/kit but I havent heard of anyone using them firsthand.
10-22-2011 05:52 PM
TJe0454
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
$280 for a complete bracket kit that includes the truss isn't bad at all, I just noticed that low price. That it will help the welder get the brackets positioned is a plus, that actually looks like a good kit the more you think about it. It could actually reduce the cost to weld the brackets to the axle since it helps to position most of them, another plus.
Your input means a lot, Jerry. Thanks. Does anyone have experience with the install of this kit? I can tack weld the truss on then bring it to a shop. I am more worried about the brake lines etc.
10-22-2011 05:42 PM
Jerry Bransford $280 for a complete bracket kit that includes the truss isn't bad at all, I just noticed that low price. That it will help the welder get the brackets positioned is a plus, that actually looks like a good kit the more you think about it. It could actually reduce the cost to weld the brackets to the axle since it helps to position most of them, another plus.
10-22-2011 05:36 PM
TJe0454
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
What size tires will you be running? I wouldn't bother trussing an 8.8 until you got to at least 37" tires and was doing trails that required 37" tires.
the reason behind the truss is the ease of install and also the whole system fits together so the shop/i won't have anything to measure incorrectly. but i am not set on trussing it.
10-22-2011 05:29 PM
Jerry Bransford What size tires will you be running? I wouldn't bother trussing an 8.8 until you got to at least 37" tires and was doing trails that required 37" tires.
10-22-2011 05:08 PM
TJe0454 anyone know a ballpark figure of how much a welding shop would charge to have this welded up? Artec TJ 8.8 Swap Kit with Truss
10-22-2011 05:01 PM
TJe0454
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Originally Posted by ou812 View Post
Id regear and super35 it

theres no way I'd leave a chipped gear in my drivetrain to fail later,plus without removal you really cant see if there are any other cracks or fractures.

what size tires you running maybe its time for a regear anyway.

A wrangler should never break traction unless under a heavy foot,just saying
i dont have the money to regear right now. and im not putting any money into upgrading the d35.
and i already stated it was raining hard. so even accelerating from a full stop would easily break traction.
10-22-2011 03:19 PM
wolfen
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Originally Posted by GoldenSahara00 View Post
With 3.07s and 33s your wrangler wont move very fast without a heavy foot, just saying
235/75/15's with 3.73's are bad enough in town for takeoff speed.
10-22-2011 01:27 PM
GoldenSahara00 With 3.07s and 33s your wrangler wont move very fast without a heavy foot, just saying
10-22-2011 10:39 AM
ou812 Id regear and super35 it

theres no way I'd leave a chipped gear in my drivetrain to fail later,plus without removal you really cant see if there are any other cracks or fractures.

what size tires you running maybe its time for a regear anyway.

A wrangler should never break traction unless under a heavy foot,just saying
10-22-2011 09:19 AM
TJe0454 does anyone near me have a d35 with 3.07s? im zip code 20882 and im trying to find something within a few hours away
10-22-2011 07:53 AM
wolfen
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Originally Posted by Cons_Table View Post
Only 55 haha.

Yea only 55, road was 10feet wide with oak trees on each side, my dad always told me, " Boy, don;t you go no faster that 55 after the road grader makes it soft"
10-22-2011 03:58 AM
00tj2 defazio, yes, i am talking about a stock d35.... i have 128k on it... the pinion gear wines but thats because of the 2"lift effecting the angle... i have plowed every winter since 2004/5, have 4 wheeled lightly since 02, and towed a 3500lb trailer for 3 years, locally and on I95...i'm sure it will go eventually but it's served me well so far....unless they made d44's with the rubber fill plug and i've been wrong on what rear i have all these years....
10-21-2011 11:48 PM
Cons_Table
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Originally Posted by wolfen

Simple, I was on the way to school and it had rained about 3" the night before so the road was about an inch deep so I had it in 4H. As soon as I hit a dry patch of dirt the front drive shaft let go. And at 16 years old 55 was about the fastest I went on those old dirt roads.
Only 55 haha.
10-21-2011 09:10 PM
GoldenSahara00 Lol alot of life lessons in this thread...

Maybe I should stop spinning tire in my tj now...

nah
10-21-2011 09:08 PM
wolfen
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Originally Posted by Cons_Table View Post
Why were you going 55 in 4WD? The only time it matters that your gears up front, and gears in the rear match is when you are in 4WD...
Simple, I was on the way to school and it had rained about 3" the night before so the road was about an inch deep so I had it in 4H. As soon as I hit a dry patch of dirt the front drive shaft let go. And at 16 years old 55 was about the fastest I went on those old dirt roads.
10-21-2011 06:12 PM
Rubicon2
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Originally Posted by Cons_Table

Why were you going 55 in 4WD? The only time it matters that your gears up front, and gears in the rear match is when you are in 4WD...
He had a Chevy 4x4 pickup. He didn't have it in 4wd.

Edit: Never mind, I just re-read a few posts ago. lol
10-21-2011 05:09 PM
Cons_Table
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Originally Posted by wolfen View Post
Keep laughing been there actually done that, I had an old Chevy Pickup 4X4 once with 411 gears in it, well, after 200,000 the rear dif was flat out worn out, so instead of shimming and measuring like you have to do on Chevy's, I got a whole 411 rear end only to find out the hard way the guts had been changed to a 76 Pontiac rear gear setup
And I found that out at 55 mph
Loudest boom I have ever heard out from under any vehicle.
Why were you going 55 in 4WD? The only time it matters that your gears up front, and gears in the rear match is when you are in 4WD...
10-21-2011 05:03 PM
wolfen
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Originally Posted by nick50471 View Post
Keep laughing been there actually done that, I had an old Chevy Pickup 4X4 once with 411 gears in it, well, after 200,000 the rear dif was flat out worn out, so instead of shimming and measuring like you have to do on Chevy's, I got a whole 411 rear end only to find out the hard way the guts had been changed to a 76 Pontiac rear gear setup
And I found that out at 55 mph
Loudest boom I have ever heard out from under any vehicle.
10-21-2011 07:20 AM
TJe0454 I wasn't doing anything too crazy. I pulled out of my parking spot (it was raining hard), and I gave it just enough gas to spin tires. It caught traction within a second and I heard that loud bang. That's what happened. And yeah, I had been through a muddy stream a week before.
10-20-2011 10:35 PM
doclouie The pictures you showed looks like that axle has been submerged in water. Looks more like mud than gear oil in there. That could have helped break. Swapping out the whole axle would be easier and cheaper in the long run. I still think we need to hear the whole story of how you lost traction.
10-20-2011 10:03 PM
DeFazio
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Originally Posted by 00tj2
I don't know... That ring gear has a pretty good chunk missing....how many miles do you have on it? I have 128k on mine and have plowed, 4wheeled, and towed a 3500+ pound trailer for 3 years and still haven't blown mine up yet... I guess I'm on borrowed time...maybe I should start looking for a d44
You're talking about a stock d35?
10-20-2011 09:50 PM
TJe0454 i changed the diff fluid 4k miles ago. been through a lot of water though.
10-20-2011 08:21 PM
00tj2 My dad owned a service station for 50 years and every time I change my front and rear diff fluid he tells me I'm waiting my time unless I putt them in the drink.... He had work trucks with well over 100k and never changed any fluid other than trans and engine...He never had his or a customers rear end go so I don't think it was the old oil.
10-20-2011 07:41 PM
Jerry Bransford
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Originally Posted by 30-284 View Post
It couldn't have broke because of not being serviced That looks like it has never had the oil changed.

Donn
X3, I've never seen a Jeep with worse looking old worn-out gear lube.
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