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12-12-2011 07:42 AM
bigegriff
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Originally Posted by Yella View Post
My oil is about ready to be changed so come on over and I'll make sure you do it right.
Mine is too, but I think the trip from WV to Missouri might be a little far for an oil change! Thanks for the invite though.

Everything seems to be fine on my Jeep and I now have almost 3000 on it.

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Originally Posted by tropical36 View Post
Assuming all OK, what happens if you disconnect the battery for a bit to maybe clear the fault or must that be done in some other way?
I'm not sure about disconnecting the battery, but the light will go off after a couple cycles of mechanically sound driving. Mine went off the next day and I haven't seen it since.
12-11-2011 10:05 AM
tropical36 Assuming all OK, what happens if you disconnect the battery for a bit to maybe clear the fault or must that be done in some other way?
12-11-2011 09:44 AM
specbill .......I would be shocked if you hurt the lower end with that little running at those low revs. Just drive it. If you are really worried then drive it a hundred miles or so and drain the oil...if it is metal free and smells like oil should, your golden. If you killed it you'll know for sure.
12-10-2011 08:23 PM
i82much I didn't read through this whole thread but I didn't notice anyone suggest an oil analysis? I would refill, tighten down, and drive for 500 miles or so and then send out a sample to get analyzed. If you did enough damage to score a bearing or ring or something of that sort the oil analysis should reveal it.

I am with the other posters in that I think you are probably just fine. Yes, it is very bad to run your engine without oil, but the damage does not happen instantaneously.
12-10-2011 07:31 PM
Yella
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Originally Posted by bigegriff View Post
Glad I could be of some encouragement gluestick. I'm not too far behind you at 32. Like i said in the OP, I've done some wrenching on my Jeeps, just never done an oil change. I figured this might be a good time to learn and take care of my new baby myself.
I'm sure you won't leave a filter loose again. Nothing seems to be learned as well as those learned by mistakes. Here are a couple I learned by experience;

* Be sure the old filter gasket comes off with the old filter. That will blow oil out just about as fast as what you experienced.

* Be sure you put the plug back in. I was pouring in my second quart once when I heard the oil running on the ground. Fortuately I didn't have CCR cranked up too loud.

I think Daggo said it well with you have to think things thru. And it was priceless what he said why he changes his own oil; a little mean but priceless. Changing your own oil should give you satisfaction of taking care of your own. If it don't matter to you then take it somewhere and let someone else do it. But watch them close. They're thinking about going home. They don't care if you make it or not.

Here are a couple tips I have for you that have done me well.
* Have the correct amount of oil at hand when you start.
* Don't forget to lube the gasket on the new filter.
* Inspect the plug threads/gasket/o-ring for wear.
* When you are ready to start it up, watch that gauge/meter untill it goes to normal/light off. It takes a little extra time after an oil change.
* After gauge gets normal look under vehicle for runs, drips or errors.
* After a couple minutes of running, stop engine for a while and check the level. After a few oil changes you should be able to put the exact amount in without needing to top it off.
* Check your oil regularly and always pay attention to any spots under the vehicle before you get in and drive away.

My oil is about ready to be changed so come on over and I'll make sure you do it right.
12-10-2011 11:55 AM
jmb6420
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jimbox, i have been looking at those plugs for years, in pictures, always afraid that it would somehow come open while driving, any chance of this? tks steve
I'm not jimbox, but ... they'll stay closed. They are used on a lot of heavy contruction equipment straight from the factory. If they can stand the vibrations and abuse on a dozer or excavator, they'll stand up to a jeep.

They have a detent in the lever that opens the valve. You actually have to 'unlatch' the lever to open the valve.
12-10-2011 08:27 AM
blackforestgreen [QUOTE=JIMBOX;1686142] Heh Heh, not if you have a FUMOTO valve !




jimbox, i have been looking at those plugs for years, in pictures, always afraid that it would somehow come open while driving, any chance of this? tks steve
10-25-2011 12:19 PM
YAHAHA
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Originally Posted by gluestick View Post
Thanks to the OP, your post encouraged me to perform my first oil change ever at the age of 34. After buying myself a pan to catch the oil and a new funnel, oil, and filter, it came in right around what I have been paying the local place for many years. It literally took me 15 minutes, most of which was waiting for the engine to drain, and I barely got my hands dirty. Wow, that was really easy, especially as it is so easy to crawl under a Jeep. Next time all I need to buy is the oil and filter. I am thinking if I scoop up some synthetic on sale at the warehouse club, I can change my oil next time for the price of the cheap "house brand" stuff they pour in at Jiffy Lube. I have already started eyeballing the location of my wife's oil filter in her mini van and have plans for that next.

Even if I only broke even, there was a fine sense of satisfaction in doing it myself. Every time I crawl under my Jeep I learn a little bit more and get more confidence to wrench on something new. Now I feel compelled to change the diff fluid.

Take pride in the fact that your struggle encouraged others - Thanks!
I had posted a detailed "how to change your oil" somewhere on this forum. Maybe a detailed search would find it & help others who are contemplating changing their own oil for the first time.
10-25-2011 10:49 AM
ChaseRedJK Your probably okay. Most Chrysler products have a 13 key cycle lifespan. After your Jeep has 13 key cycles of all systems go it will go off. Unplug your battery and plug it back in will reset the count if everything is ok on that restart your light will be off and will stay off if everything is okay
10-25-2011 08:15 AM
bigegriff
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Originally Posted by JeepGirlTX87 View Post
I've just been p*ssed. I've been on a Wrangler hunt for the last month and it has been a battle field for me

You only live once, whether 25, 35, 45+ at least you tried and now you know how to do it.

And you're right, no one is going to put as much care in it as you would. I'm thinking how many times I've paid for X point oil changes and still had to go back and add fluids, etc - that should have been added at the shop.

I was such a debbie-downer, bro -- lol.

I've been having my own Wrangler situations and it may have came out here, maybe I was just hate'n (be'n jelly) on your '012

I'm sorry lol.
No worries JeepGirl! Are you looking for a new '12? Whatever it is, I hope you find it and your situation resolves itself.
10-25-2011 01:02 AM
JeepGirlTX87 I've just been p*ssed. I've been on a Wrangler hunt for the last month and it has been a battle field for me

You only live once, whether 25, 35, 45+ at least you tried and now you know how to do it.

And you're right, no one is going to put as much care in it as you would. I'm thinking how many times I've paid for X point oil changes and still had to go back and add fluids, etc - that should have been added at the shop.

I was such a debbie-downer, bro -- lol.

I've been having my own Wrangler situations and it may have came out here, maybe I was just hate'n (be'n jelly) on your '012

I'm sorry lol.
10-24-2011 01:11 PM
gluestick
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Originally Posted by JeepGirlTX87 View Post
Maybe I'm just in a "hater" mood, but yeah, I actually read through the 3 pages or so and no one really mentions it..but yeah, I can't see why someone who dropped 40K on a wrangler..

Would do their own oil change...maybe it was just to feel all "manly-man" but I don't know. You figure buying a brand new vehicle you'd want everything, service records/oil changes recorded with receipts, and probably done at the dealer, etc.

I'm not gonna lie..the minute I seen, "I printed out the steps at work today.." I was like

I just found it a bit amusing, most guys learn changing oil on like (insert vehicle that's like 10-15 years old), but you're learning on an 2012, what a life

There's a saying that I've heard more than a few times, "Just pay the $2 dollars." I believe it came from back in early NY, people would get tickets and they could of either spent an entire day in court or whatever disputing and still not getting much done - or making life simple and pay the $2.

OK. Done with my rant. And I know this all sounds negative as hell, but in your post I just kept thinking....why???!!!! lol
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Originally Posted by bigegriff View Post
Glad I could be of some encouragement gluestick. I'm not too far behind you at 32. Like i said in the OP, I've done some wrenching on my Jeeps, just never done an oil change. I figured this might be a good time to learn and take care of my new baby myself.
I've been married long enough to not bother explaining why doing some things just make you feel like a "man". There's something about hand tools, sawdust, the smell of grease, chainsaws, and the like that is part of our genetic code. Not to mention, as others mentioned, why pay someone to do something you enjoy doing yourself. I don't fight it, I embrace it.

Prolly the same reason you won't find (most of us) getting our nails done while yapping away for hours about nothing at the beauty salon. To each their own. Ironically, I have been servicing my lawn tractor for years doing fluid and filter changes and the such without even thinking twice- the Jeep is easier to work on because you don't need ramps to drain out he oil!
10-24-2011 01:05 PM
bigegriff
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Originally Posted by Piper54 View Post
Just don't mix up your zerk fittings with your brake bleeders.

As for changing your own oil 'bigegriff', the dealers would like you to believe they have to do it or it hasn't been done, but you may do it yourself. Just remember to put a light coat of oil on the gasket of that "round can thingy" before threading it on, being careful not to cross thread, and then just snug it a bit with the oil filter wrench after hand tightening. Do not overtighten. Unless the oil filter leaks after starting, it is plenty tight. It is also 'best practice' to fill your oil filter BEFORE you screw it on. Just remember that's part of your 5.5 qt, or whatever the recommendation is for your specific engine WITH an oil filter change. This, and more, should have been in those instructions you downloaded.
Thanks Piper. A quick FYI, the new 3.6 L has a cartridge filter that uses a 24mm socket to unscrew the cap, so there isn't any canister to fill with oil. It sits right behind the alternator. Seems like it might be an easier system, as long as you remember to put it back in.
10-24-2011 12:57 PM
bigegriff
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Originally Posted by gluestick View Post
Thanks to the OP, your post encouraged me to perform my first oil change ever at the age of 34.

.......

Take pride in the fact that your struggle encouraged others - Thanks!
Glad I could be of some encouragement gluestick. I'm not too far behind you at 32. Like i said in the OP, I've done some wrenching on my Jeeps, just never done an oil change. I figured this might be a good time to learn and take care of my new baby myself.
10-24-2011 12:31 PM
YAHAHA
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Originally Posted by bigegriff View Post
Why do you guys, if you do, change your own oil?
My grandfather was a mechanic with his own shop. He grew up in the depression.

He taught my dad the valuable lesson of being able to do things for yourself.

My dad taught me never to pay somebody to do something you're capable of doing yourself.

I'm teaching my son the same. He's only 3 but every time he sees me wrenching on the Jeep or the Mustang, he runs over, grabs a screwdriver or wrench and "helps" me.

Good kid!
10-24-2011 07:30 AM
JIMBOX Heh Heh, not if you have a FUMOTO valve !


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Originally Posted by daggo66 View Post
It's even easier than an oil change. You simply drain and fill without changing a filter. Project-JK.com - Jeep JK Wrangler Resource Jeep JK Wrangler Maintenance Differential Fluid Change Write-Up
JIMBO
10-24-2011 07:06 AM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by gluestick View Post
Even if I only broke even, there was a fine sense of satisfaction in doing it myself. Every time I crawl under my Jeep I learn a little bit more and get more confidence to wrench on something new.!
It's definitely worth even a few dollars more knowing everything is done right. While the oil is draining, take the time to check your brake fluid, coolant, and top off the washer fluid.


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Originally Posted by gluestick View Post
Now I feel compelled to change the diff fluid.
It's even easier than an oil change. You simply drain and fill without changing a filter. Project-JK.com - Jeep JK Wrangler Resource Jeep JK Wrangler Maintenance Differential Fluid Change Write-Up
10-24-2011 04:53 AM
demarpaint
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Originally Posted by gluestick View Post
The only pisser is the 6 qt thing. I got a 5 quart jug for $23 bucks (came with a $7 mail in rebate so really only $16 bucks) and had to buy an extra quart for around $7. That buying one quart at a time deal is a rip off. I guess the value comes in when you scoop up a case of those 5 quart jugs at a time. You know you're gonna use 'em sometime...

Is there any harm in mixing oil brands, if say you have a few different brand quart bottles hanging around with just about a pint or so left in them? Can you safely do an "oil cocktail" (SAE remaining constant)? Any downside in a syn/regular mix?

I have always been a believer in going 4-5k between oil changes, in all honesty mostly out of my aversion to sitting in the jiffylube waiting room. I think I will be tightening up that schedule with my Wrangler. Now I just need to find that tire rotation thread...
There's no harm in mixing different brands, although I prefer not too. If you do mix use the same grade oil, and "SAE remaining" constant if possible. Watch the sales, AAP and Auto Zone oil change specials are pretty good, even if they're only for 5 qts and a filter. Typically 5 qts. Mobil 1 or Pennzoil Platinum and a Mobil 1 or Pure One filter will cost about $30.00 to $35.00. I usually have at least one year to a year and a half worth of oil on hand. I have a 6 qt vehicle also, part of life I guess. Not to repeat myself, watch for sales! You can also score filters from time to time on Amazon.com. Team that up with some good Walmart pricing and rebates and you'll be fine. I just don't care for the oil filters Walmart carries, but that's just me.

Your 4,000-5,000 mile interval is fine especially if you use one of the Synthetic oils mentioned. While under warranty follow the OM guidelines for severe service and you'll never have a problem.
10-24-2011 12:27 AM
Piper54
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Originally Posted by bigegriff View Post
Forgot to tighten the filter. As I was doing this for the first time, I wasn't sure if the filter needed to be loose to help the new oil drain into the engine. While in theory you do need a vent to allow new fluid to go in (somewhere for the air to escape when the new oil comes in) the oil filter probably didn't need to be loose for that to happen.

I had planned on installing the new filter after the new oil, but my steps got out of whack and I forgot to tighten it down, thus huge mess and me up most of the night freaking out.
Your crankcase is vented, so no worry about oil not being able to flow in.
10-24-2011 12:18 AM
Piper54
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Originally Posted by JIMBOX View Post
Heh Heh--






This is better than "Mad Magazine"

I do my own also and KNOW what the oil/filter is and I can tear my self away from Reno news for at least 15 minutes-and I can grease my ZIRKS in that time period !

JIMBO
Just don't mix up your zerk fittings with your brake bleeders.

As for changing your own oil 'bigegriff', the dealers would like you to believe they have to do it or it hasn't been done, but you may do it yourself. Just remember to put a light coat of oil on the gasket of that "round can thingy" before threading it on, being careful not to cross thread, and then just snug it a bit with the oil filter wrench after hand tightening. Do not overtighten. Unless the oil filter leaks after starting, it is plenty tight. It is also 'best practice' to fill your oil filter BEFORE you screw it on. Just remember that's part of your 5.5 qt, or whatever the recommendation is for your specific engine WITH an oil filter change. This, and more, should have been in those instructions you downloaded.
10-23-2011 11:42 PM
El Gringo
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Originally Posted by JeepGirlTX87 View Post
Maybe I'm just in a "hater" mood, but yeah, I actually read through the 3 pages or so and no one really mentions it..but yeah, I can't see why someone who dropped 40K on a wrangler..

Would do their own oil change...maybe it was just to feel all "manly-man" but I don't know. You figure buying a brand new vehicle you'd want everything, service records/oil changes recorded with receipts, and probably done at the dealer, etc.

I'm not gonna lie..the minute I seen, "I printed out the steps at work today.." I was like

I just found it a bit amusing, most guys learn changing oil on like (insert vehicle that's like 10-15 years old), but you're learning on an 2012, what a life

There's a saying that I've heard more than a few times, "Just pay the $2 dollars." I believe it came from back in early NY, people would get tickets and they could of either spent an entire day in court or whatever disputing and still not getting much done - or making life simple and pay the $2.

OK. Done with my rant. And I know this all sounds negative as hell, but in your post I just kept thinking....why???!!!! lol

The adage goes: "If you want something done right, do it yourself"

This applies here more than anywhere else.

I change my own oil, it gives me something to do on my day off,
lets me check the jeep and make sure all is well under the hood,
I can use full synthetic oil and a good filter for the same cost, or less, than some guy who probably can't spell oil could put the wrong weight of crap oil and a cardboard filter on it,
I know the correct amount of oil is going in and coming out of my Jeep.

That is why I change my own oil on my brand new expensive INVESTMENT.
10-23-2011 10:48 PM
JeepGirlTX87
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Originally Posted by bigegriff View Post
Hey everyone. I've been enjoying, no, loving my new 2012 JKU and got to the 500 mile mark this past weekend. I had planned on changing the oil then, but just got around to it today. I was pretty excited about it, being my first attempt at changing my own oil; I've done other stuff, just not oil. I printed out the steps at work today from a post by both ndrugby and Mykl and went to it tonight.
Maybe I'm just in a "hater" mood, but yeah, I actually read through the 3 pages or so and no one really mentions it..but yeah, I can't see why someone who dropped 40K on a wrangler..

Would do their own oil change...maybe it was just to feel all "manly-man" but I don't know. You figure buying a brand new vehicle you'd want everything, service records/oil changes recorded with receipts, and probably done at the dealer, etc.

I'm not gonna lie..the minute I seen, "I printed out the steps at work today.." I was like

I just found it a bit amusing, most guys learn changing oil on like (insert vehicle that's like 10-15 years old), but you're learning on an 2012, what a life

There's a saying that I've heard more than a few times, "Just pay the $2 dollars." I believe it came from back in early NY, people would get tickets and they could of either spent an entire day in court or whatever disputing and still not getting much done - or making life simple and pay the $2.

OK. Done with my rant. And I know this all sounds negative as hell, but in your post I just kept thinking....why???!!!! lol
10-23-2011 10:24 PM
jkaufman_95
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Originally Posted by El Gringo
You can usually get mobil 1 for about 2/3 the price of autozone at walmart. cost me lie 44 bucks last time from wally for everything, vs autozone was close to 60.
5 quarts for me at walmart is $27 plus 6 so for the extra quart. Autozone was about 60 and yeah I get points. But it's not worth that.
10-23-2011 07:22 PM
El Gringo You can usually get mobil 1 for about 2/3 the price of autozone at walmart. cost me lie 44 bucks last time from wally for everything, vs autozone was close to 60.
10-23-2011 06:51 PM
gluestick
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Originally Posted by demarpaint View Post
^^Good on you gluestick!^^

Watch stores like Advance Auto Parts, Pep Boys, and Auto Zone. They run oil change specials featuring synthetic oil and a filter for a good price. Typically 5 qts of Mobil 1 Castrol, Valvoline, or Pennzoil synthetic and a good filter. I prefer Mobil 1 or Purolator Pure One filters over the Fram filters, but that's JMO. Start your own stash, and know the job was done right!
The only pisser is the 6 qt thing. I got a 5 quart jug for $23 bucks (came with a $7 mail in rebate so really only $16 bucks) and had to buy an extra quart for around $7. That buying one quart at a time deal is a rip off. I guess the value comes in when you scoop up a case of those 5 quart jugs at a time. You know you're gonna use 'em sometime...

Is there any harm in mixing oil brands, if say you have a few different brand quart bottles hanging around with just about a pint or so left in them? Can you safely do an "oil cocktail" (SAE remaining constant)? Any downside in a syn/regular mix?

I have always been a believer in going 4-5k between oil changes, in all honesty mostly out of my aversion to sitting in the jiffylube waiting room. I think I will be tightening up that schedule with my Wrangler. Now I just need to find that tire rotation thread...
10-23-2011 06:28 PM
demarpaint ^^Good on you gluestick!^^

Watch stores like Advance Auto Parts, Pep Boys, and Auto Zone. They run oil change specials featuring synthetic oil and a filter for a good price. Typically 5 qts of Mobil 1 Castrol, Valvoline, or Pennzoil synthetic and a good filter. I prefer Mobil 1 or Purolator Pure One filters over the Fram filters, but that's JMO. Start your own stash, and know the job was done right!
10-23-2011 06:07 PM
gluestick Thanks to the OP, your post encouraged me to perform my first oil change ever at the age of 34. After buying myself a pan to catch the oil and a new funnel, oil, and filter, it came in right around what I have been paying the local place for many years. It literally took me 15 minutes, most of which was waiting for the engine to drain, and I barely got my hands dirty. Wow, that was really easy, especially as it is so easy to crawl under a Jeep. Next time all I need to buy is the oil and filter. I am thinking if I scoop up some synthetic on sale at the warehouse club, I can change my oil next time for the price of the cheap "house brand" stuff they pour in at Jiffy Lube. I have already started eyeballing the location of my wife's oil filter in her mini van and have plans for that next.

Even if I only broke even, there was a fine sense of satisfaction in doing it myself. Every time I crawl under my Jeep I learn a little bit more and get more confidence to wrench on something new. Now I feel compelled to change the diff fluid.

Take pride in the fact that your struggle encouraged others - Thanks!
10-23-2011 08:56 AM
demarpaint
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Originally Posted by jkaufman_95 View Post
Exactly. I had a buddy who worked for no other than JEEP. And told me horror stories including what happened to my last jeep when it was there.
We had a new lot boy take a used car that was in the shop being prepped for delivery to the used car dept for customer pick up. He cut a corner too tight and banged up the passenger side door. The used car mgr had him park it close to a fence and schedule delivery for night time when it was dark. The mgr delivered the car for the salesman, making sure the customer didn't look at the passenger side of the car, the fence and hedges took care of that. The next morning the customer called asking for a body shop recommendation, he thought someone hit him in a parking lot where he stopped on the way home. These things happen a lot unfortunately, and blame is very easily shifted. I could probably write a book about some of the things that went down, some funny, some not so funny. My experience has taught me to stay as far from dealers as possible after I take title of a new vehicle.
10-23-2011 06:22 AM
TheDoc its just you being paranoid when you think every sound is worse than before. Like somebody said you can run an air-cooled engine for a good minute Flat to the floor before it starts to make a sound without oil. You had water keeping it cool and a good film on all surfaces and basically idled out of your garage. Take it out and enjoy it. Or put a OEM filter on and if it goes pop your covered.
10-22-2011 11:54 PM
El Gringo
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Originally Posted by jkaufman_95

Exactly. I had a buddy who worked for no other than JEEP. And told me horror stories including what happened to my last jeep when it was there.
Exactly why I do all my own work.
Yipes.
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