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10-25-2011 07:23 AM
Hilldweller The DRLs won't work with an H4 conversion that uses a harness since the PWM circuit is bypassed and is only used to trip the relays. The DRL feature needs to be programmed "off".
If you're in a state that requires DRLs, you can either remember to always turn on your headlights or you can buy a neat little gizmo that turns your parking lights into DRLs and meets the DOT requirements. Yeah, it's available from Daniel Stern... ...I'm just a fan, he doesn't pay me a commission...

Sjeupie,
"Driving Lights" are supplemental lighting as an adjunct to highbeams. A single reflector system, whether H4 or H13, will often have more gaps in coverage than a dual reflector system like my Power Wagon has. The driving lights can fill in the holes or even be aimed further out to infinity for high-speed driving.

Cibie's Oscar series of lights are fairly awesome. I also like Hella's Rallye 4000 Euro pattern ---- nice and wide spread.

Driving lights I don't like much: Lightforce (unless you buy them for their robustness, not pattern), KC, Hella Black Magic or regular 500s, most Deltas
10-24-2011 11:40 AM
bo9roadking
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Originally Posted by sneck View Post
wait, I can get at that screw from behind as well? I saw it when I put the lights in, but I thought they were covered by the grill cover. Now I need to go look again. I'm assuming, since I havn't adjusted at all, the light should be focused to look like 2 half circles, horizontal line up, when I have them on the wall? And thanks for the link. Just need to find an unsuspecting building to check alignment on.
You can access the torx screw with the grill on. There is a small indentation next to the headlight opening at the 10:00 position on the passenger side and at the 2:00 position on the driver side that will let you make adjustments with the grill on. The indentation is large enough to fit a torx driver next to the headlight. The light that you see won't be exactly as a half circle. If you have the H4 Hella lights, the top of the light will cutoff with a clearly visible line at the top that will be easy to see for making adjustments.

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Originally Posted by Sjeupie View Post
Hey,
I saw on the website 'off a cough' mentioned, that the Rallylights H4 conversion kit is not for use with DRL's. Assuming this means Driving Light's, I would like to ask something realy lame: what's the difference between driving light and normal light? And, why can't you use them simultaneously?

Here in Europe we've got the so-called day-drive-lights which, as the name already suggests, are illegal to drive with a night. They actually almost do not provide any light at all.
Besides those, we've got the normal light, which you would use during night (or during the day too, if you prefer being easily seen).
Thirdly, we've got the high-beam, which you would only use in case of poor sight and no upcoming traffic.
Finally there are ofcourse the fog lights.
DRL's are daytime running lights in the USA. I'm not sure why the H4 Hella lights can't be used as DRL's unless it is because they are European lights. Since European lights are a different lighting standard, I'm guessing "no DRL's" is put on the website like other websites put "for offroad use only" for other aftermarket products that are sold. It is to protect themselves due to the government regulations. If someone uses the lights for DRL's and gets a ticket, it isn't the company's fault that sold the lights. What people actually do with the lights after they are purchased could be something entirely different that what the government allows and this is a way for the company selling the lights to not get in trouble.
10-24-2011 10:49 AM
Sjeupie Hey,
I saw on the website 'off a cough' mentioned, that the Rallylights H4 conversion kit is not for use with DRL's. Assuming this means Driving Light's, I would like to ask something realy lame: what's the difference between driving light and normal light? And, why can't you use them simultaneously?

Here in Europe we've got the so-called day-drive-lights which, as the name already suggests, are illegal to drive with a night. They actually almost do not provide any light at all.
Besides those, we've got the normal light, which you would use during night (or during the day too, if you prefer being easily seen).
Thirdly, we've got the high-beam, which you would only use in case of poor sight and no upcoming traffic.
Finally there are ofcourse the fog lights.
10-24-2011 10:25 AM
sneck wait, I can get at that screw from behind as well? I saw it when I put the lights in, but I thought they were covered by the grill cover. Now I need to go look again. I'm assuming, since I havn't adjusted at all, the light should be focused to look like 2 half circles, horizontal line up, when I have them on the wall? And thanks for the link. Just need to find an unsuspecting building to check alignment on.
10-24-2011 09:58 AM
Hilldweller
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Originally Posted by sneck View Post
I'm pretty sure I have to, but I've been known to miss the obvious. Do I have to take off the grill to access the alignment bolt?
No. Use a torx driver ---- the screws are on the outside of each light, on the ring, at 10:00 and 2:00. It's the screw that looks different than the other retaining screws.

Here's how to aim them.
10-24-2011 08:15 AM
sneck I'm pretty sure I have to, but I've been known to miss the obvious. Do I have to take off the grill to access the alignment bolt?
10-24-2011 08:11 AM
bo9roadking
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Originally Posted by sneck View Post
So I feel happy with shiny new lights, and I feel like the alignment is fine, but it seems to through light pretty high, I seem to be lighting up signs on the highway from at least a quarter mile away. How can I tell if my headlights are aligned properly. What type of pattern should they be throwing? right now its almost like 2 bowties, but the one on the right side of the vehicle is twisted up slightly so the right most bow is angled slightly high. and there seems to be a halo effect, forming a crescent on the drivers side.
Park your Jeep so that your headlights are 25 feet away from a wall or your garage door with your low beam headlights on. On the wall or garage door, draw a horizontal line 3 feet up from the ground with tape. Align your headlights so that the top of the light is at the 3 foot mark.
10-23-2011 08:00 PM
sneck So I feel happy with shiny new lights, and I feel like the alignment is fine, but it seems to through light pretty high, I seem to be lighting up signs on the highway from at least a quarter mile away. How can I tell if my headlights are aligned properly. What type of pattern should they be throwing? right now its almost like 2 bowties, but the one on the right side of the vehicle is twisted up slightly so the right most bow is angled slightly high. and there seems to be a halo effect, forming a crescent on the drivers side.
10-14-2011 11:19 PM
Merlinn Believer!!!

Merlinn
10-14-2011 04:49 PM
krutj
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Originally Posted by bo9roadking View Post
I'm still undecided on what driving lights to get. I'm looking at LED, but I'm going to see what the Super Oscars are all about before I pull the trigger.
The biggest problem here is that too much light, right in front will negate good vision at a distance...I've been working this out for 6 months, trying to get the perfect combination. But, I'm making custom driving lights, using H-4 Hella headlights.



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Originally Posted by Merlinn View Post
I got everything working. The difference in light is amazing. The Cibie headlights as expected from all the previous reports are great. The Super Oscars with the 55 bulbs, 100's were available, are incredible, combined with the headlights, I have an unbroken wall of even light for what seems like forever.

The net result.. I could not be more pleased.

Thank you Bill (Hilldweller) and Daniel Stern, great job.

Merlinn
It's too bad that there are no more Cibie Z-beams available, these lens are absolutely amazing.....your setup sounds very good though and I'm assuming that you are a believer now....?
10-14-2011 03:32 AM
Merlinn I got everything working. The difference in light is amazing. The Cibie headlights as expected from all the previous reports are great. The Super Oscars with the 55 bulbs, 100's were available, are incredible, combined with the headlights, I have an unbroken wall of even light for what seems like forever.

The net result.. I could not be more pleased.

Thank you Bill (Hilldweller) and Daniel Stern, great job.

Merlinn
10-13-2011 09:44 PM
bo9roadking
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Originally Posted by krutj View Post
You may want to pm Hilldweller also, he's probably forgot more about lighting than most of us know.. He's shared much with me(thanks Bill)

Bill also has many contacts that you may want to seek advice from, depends on the scope of your project...

I'm still working out the details for a custom driving light, using Hella H-4's( yeah, the headlights) since I have a set and now running Cibie's, rallylights is making the harness and relays, getting them to compliment the headlights is another story......
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Originally Posted by Hilldweller View Post
Open either front door, look at the dash. Pop off the plastic cover that lives inboard of the rearview mirror on the dash; it comes off easily.
Note the little hole in the metal toward the engine with some foam filling in it. Take a wire coathanger (straightened out) and do a poke-n-hope all the way through. Use the hanger to fish your wires through.

Pick a spot for your switch that's easy to get to. If it's lighted, maybe you don't want it in line-of-sight.

You and Joel, when all done, will have a couple of the coolest and best working light systems on the forum.

And yes; Rallylights can build anything you can think of. I have a couple boxes of Hitachi connectors, various male/female blocks, resistors, and half a ton of wire. But when I wanted a nice clean install for my lights, I dialed Rallylights without hesitation and asked them to build my harnesses. I wanted it to stay together...
Thanks for the information. I have read a lot of Bill's headlight postings on this forum, another Jeep forum, and even a forum for lighting. Bill, if it weren't for your analysis, I'd be stuck with some poorly designed product that would have wasted my money and probably wouldn't have been any better than stock. In fact, I would probably be content with the factory headlights and I would have added even more aftermarket lighting to illuminate out front of my Jeep.

After reading a lot of threads and reviewing your analysis and posted pictures to demonstrate light output, I was going to get the Cibie lights from Dan, but he seemed to be on vacation until recently. I went with the Hella H4 recommendation that you said was a good option. I bought them from Rallylights. With the Hella lights, I don't really need any other lights out front. I think they are that good. Of course I still want some auxillary lights to mount on the front bumper, so I have to find something that is a good complement to the Hella's. Now that I know Rallylights can build other things besides headlight wiring harnesses, I'll be contacting them again when I get ready for my next lighting project.

I'm still undecided on what driving lights to get. I'm looking at LED, but I'm going to see what the Super Oscars are all about before I pull the trigger.
10-13-2011 12:01 PM
Merlinn Thanks Bill, I will give that a try. Still waiting for the lights to arrive.

Merlinn
10-13-2011 07:08 AM
Hilldweller
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Originally Posted by Merlinn View Post
I hope to have the basics of this working tomorrow evening and take it into the dealer to run the switch for the driving lights. I am having trouble finding the right route into the passenger compartment.

Merlinn
Open either front door, look at the dash. Pop off the plastic cover that lives inboard of the rearview mirror on the dash; it comes off easily.
Note the little hole in the metal toward the engine with some foam filling in it. Take a wire coathanger (straightened out) and do a poke-n-hope all the way through. Use the hanger to fish your wires through.

Pick a spot for your switch that's easy to get to. If it's lighted, maybe you don't want it in line-of-sight.

You and Joel, when all done, will have a couple of the coolest and best working light systems on the forum.

And yes; Rallylights can build anything you can think of. I have a couple boxes of Hitachi connectors, various male/female blocks, resistors, and half a ton of wire. But when I wanted a nice clean install for my lights, I dialed Rallylights without hesitation and asked them to build my harnesses. I wanted it to stay together...
10-12-2011 11:23 PM
Merlinn I must thank Hilldweller for all his help in getting this sorted for me. We all are very fortunate having such individuals willing to share their time and expertise for all our benefit .
I hope to have the basics of this working tomorrow evening and take it into the dealer to run the switch for the driving lights. I am having trouble finding the right route into the passenger compartment.

Merlinn
10-12-2011 06:54 PM
krutj
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Originally Posted by bo9roadking View Post
Thanks for the info. I bought my Hella H4 conversion headlight kit from them, but I didn't realize that they did custom work beyond the headlight kit. Since I've already dealt with them and I'm extremely happy with my headlights, I'll check back with them for their recommendations on driving lights.

You may want to pm Hilldweller also, he's probably forgot more about lighting than most of us know.. He's shared much with me(thanks Bill)

Bill also has many contacts that you may want to seek advice from, depends on the scope of your project...

I'm still working out the details for a custom driving light, using Hella H-4's( yeah, the headlights) since I have a set and now running Cibie's, rallylights is making the harness and relays, getting them to compliment the headlights is another story......
10-12-2011 01:36 PM
bo9roadking
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Originally Posted by krutj View Post
Rallylights.com(Susquehanna) can build you anything you want also, I've been talking to them about some custom work too. All they need is measurements and some other details....pretty reasonable too.
Thanks for the info. I bought my Hella H4 conversion headlight kit from them, but I didn't realize that they did custom work beyond the headlight kit. Since I've already dealt with them and I'm extremely happy with my headlights, I'll check back with them for their recommendations on driving lights.
10-12-2011 01:30 PM
Hilldweller Merlinn pinged me and Dan and I came up with a plug-n-play super-option for him.

It's similar to what I had Rallylights do for me to use the stalk to trigger my LED driving lights with highbeams.
The Super Oscars and Cibie headlights should make and almost flawless spread of light with the highbeams on.

Merlinn's going to have an awesome set-up.
10-12-2011 12:48 PM
Merlinn Actually it started as a recommendation from Hilldweller. Then worked it out with Stern to get the lights ordered and the harness built. Should be nice, all high quality components.

Merlinn
10-12-2011 12:19 PM
krutj
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Originally Posted by bo9roadking View Post
Sounds like a nice setup. Do you have a part number for this or did you contact Stern and tell him what you wanted?

After installing my Rallylight Hella H4 setup for headlights, I'm wanting to do something like you are doing for driving lights that I'll mount to my front bumper. I like the idea of using the relays so that the lights come on using the factory headlight switches. I might add or ask Stern to add a secondary switch in the wiring harness to cut the power to the relay that powers the driving lights for times when I want high beam lights, but no driving lights.
Rallylights.com(Susquehanna) can build you anything you want also, I've been talking to them about some custom work too. All they need is measurements and some other details....pretty reasonable too.
10-12-2011 10:44 AM
bo9roadking
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Originally Posted by Merlinn View Post
I will be doing the upgrade Friday, Cibie headlights, Stern recommend Rallye 70/65 bulbs and Cibie Super Oscar driving lights with his recommend bulbs. The harness will turn on and off the driving lights with the high beams if they are switched on. Look forward to "seeing the light" as Stern states there will be MUCH more than ampel light!

Merlinn
Sounds like a nice setup. Do you have a part number for this or did you contact Stern and tell him what you wanted?

After installing my Rallylight Hella H4 setup for headlights, I'm wanting to do something like you are doing for driving lights that I'll mount to my front bumper. I like the idea of using the relays so that the lights come on using the factory headlight switches. I might add or ask Stern to add a secondary switch in the wiring harness to cut the power to the relay that powers the driving lights for times when I want high beam lights, but no driving lights.
10-12-2011 06:42 AM
Merlinn I will be doing the upgrade Friday, Cibie headlights, Stern recommend Rallye 70/65 bulbs and Cibie Super Oscar driving lights with his recommend bulbs. The harness will turn on and off the driving lights with the high beams if they are switched on. Look forward to "seeing the light" as Stern states there will be MUCH more than ampel light!

Merlinn
10-09-2011 08:26 PM
bbrown626 I am running my H4's with Hella 100/80 bulbs. AWSOME light. Been out on a few evening drives and nobody is flashing me. The cutoff is pretty good.
The Hella bulbs are very affordable on Amazon. You can afford spares if concerned about them burning out early.

Best improvement to the Jeep so far.
10-09-2011 06:53 PM
bo9roadking
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Originally Posted by off a cough View Post
The lights are a HUGE improvement over stock, and well worth the money.

The field of view is much wider - peripheral vision is much improved, which is a big safety issue as we approach the deer rut, especially. The distance of gaze has increased dramatically.

The lighting right in front of the vehicle - right that hoodline from the eye's perspective of where the road is - has much improved. This is a big benefit in driving at night and in the rain. I normally rely on fogs here, I've historically had a problem seeing at night in the rain, despite good vision. Turns out, it was bad headlights.

The color temperature seems "hotter", if I'm saying that right - it is a much whiter look. There is not much glare, however.

I strongly recommend this kit.
+1

Well I installed a set of these Hella headlights that I ordered from Rallylights.com and the installation was extremely simple. I ran the passenger headlight wiring harness and the power wiring harness for the relays along the passenger's side of the engine compartment to the passenger headlight. I ran the driver's side wiring harness behind the engine along the firewall with the Jeep's factory wiring harness and then down the driver's side of the engine compartment to the driver's side headlight. I mounted the power relays next to the battery and then connected the positive and negative wires to the battery. I connected up the new headlights to the new wires and put the grill back on.

When night time hit, I was riding around to check out the lights. WOW!!! I couldn't believe how much better the road was lit up. Not only do the lights look better on the Jeep, they are made from glass with a metal reflector unlike the stock plastic ones that came on the Jeep. With the Philips Extreme bulbs, they work almost as well as the HID lights in my car. I still need to check my headlight alignment, but I'm hoping that there isn't much adjustment needed since I didn't move the headlight position during the install.
10-09-2011 04:20 PM
Mabar
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Originally Posted by TRubicon View Post
Got em and installed them today with harness and Phillip bulbs...waiting for the sun to set...they look much better than the bubbly stock lights....

Install was pretty easy.
Wait for dark. Make sure they are aligned properly.

You will LOVE the new Hella/Harnes/Phillips Bulbs headlight system!

Mabar
10-09-2011 03:54 PM
TRubicon Got em and installed them today with harness and Phillip bulbs...waiting for the sun to set...they look much better than the bubbly stock lights....

Install was pretty easy.
10-03-2011 10:37 AM
krutj
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Originally Posted by bo9roadking View Post
There was a picture posted that apparently has been removed. It was posted in a bunch of threads. I think he was referring to it. The picture looked like a marine from the neck up with oprah winfrey's face wearing a lot of makeup and bright red lipstick.
Thanks, I missed it....
10-03-2011 07:48 AM
bo9roadking
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Originally Posted by glowingghoul View Post
Welcome to the new, "sensitive" Marine Corps.
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Originally Posted by krutj View Post
huh..?
There was a picture posted that apparently has been removed. It was posted in a bunch of threads. I think he was referring to it. The picture looked like a marine from the neck up with oprah winfrey's face wearing a lot of makeup and bright red lipstick.
10-02-2011 08:31 AM
krutj
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Originally Posted by glowingghoul View Post
welcome to the new, "sensitive" marine corps.
huh..?
10-01-2011 04:32 PM
glowingghoul Welcome to the new, "sensitive" Marine Corps.
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