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07-17-2013 02:53 PM
2footin
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Originally Posted by azyjjk View Post
At least it's not "plastic chrome" thats on my Ford 350's
the chrome plastic grill is a $350 option
07-17-2013 02:07 PM
DarkonJohn I'm coming from a 1997 Sahara and was looking at the 2013 Wranglers. Was also shocked to see plastic grill, and plastic (or at least plastic covered) bumpers. Quite a change from my metal grill and steel front/rear bumpers. I understand some of the luxury upgrades (electric locks, windows, cruise control, etc.) but plastic bumpers/grills seem to be a cheapening of the brand.

That said, I can see how the plastic grill might be more durable, but I still don't agree with the plastic bumpers.
05-03-2013 05:18 PM
unusedusername
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Originally Posted by sneck View Post
I always wondered if the milspec versions of the jeeps, and hummers for that matter with a softtop had kevlar instead of canvas
Off topic but whatever...

Ballastic Kevlar is really heavy, really expensive, and does not stop rifle rounds. Check bulletproofme.com for prices to see.

Cops wear it because its easier to wear then steel or ceramic plate that does stop rifle rounds.

I'm not sure why you would want it on your Jeep though...

Current model military 'Jeeps' do have armor, but it's a combination of multiple types working together.

End of off-topic...
05-03-2013 03:48 PM
Nano
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Originally Posted by tcass View Post
now thats an idea.....wondered why i had less speeding tickets in my 2007 and 2012 JK's....last one i got was in my TJ in 2006. it all makes sense now.

cass
How in the world did you get a speeding ticket in a TJ? Doing 40 in a 20 zone? heh... I have both a TJ (03) and a newb JKUR (13) and I fine myself driving waaaaaay to fast in the JK. Probably because I can't hear/feel the hum of the engine.

The JK has nice high-end torque/power to pass people on the highway, but it doesn't take off the line as well as the TJ.

I was a little disappointed that the JK grill is plastic.
10-30-2011 09:53 AM
Yella
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Originally Posted by DiSH View Post
Wow, just noticed it this evening. The grill is plastic.
Take a good hard look at that rear bumper.
10-30-2011 09:14 AM
tcass
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Originally Posted by cu in oz View Post
You all HAVE given consideration to the lower radar signal havn't you?
now thats an idea.....wondered why i had less speeding tickets in my 2007 and 2012 JK's....last one i got was in my TJ in 2006. it all makes sense now.

cass
10-30-2011 08:42 AM
XPADREX Indeed- hard to gain MPG and not get lighter. I like the "feel" of metal- but the reality is that for al of the reasons mentioned above an increase in plastic is de rigeur for automotive development these days.

BTW- I think a mesh backer on the grill should be standard. I need to do that mod- I've already got one minor stone dent in the radiator fins, and me no likey.
10-30-2011 08:15 AM
JIMBOX I think another () reason for the plastic grill, is-

It has been designed for ease of removal/installation, so it is light and can be twisted/bent/angled/bumped and the paint won't "CHIP" because of a non-solid-metal-base and it won't hold a deformity, like metal would-

Thats my story and I'm sticking with it !

JIMBO
10-30-2011 08:10 AM
walker111
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Originally Posted by Celtic View Post
Seems to work well on Corvette, reverently nicknamed the "Plastic Fantastic".

The plastic does not seem to stone chip as easily, perhaps because it gives little.

I agree, and, when it does chip you dont have to worry about it rusting.
10-30-2011 08:04 AM
Celtic Seems to work well on Corvette, reverently nicknamed the "Plastic Fantastic".

The plastic does not seem to stone chip as easily, perhaps because it gives little.
10-30-2011 07:41 AM
DiSH
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Originally Posted by cu in oz View Post
You all HAVE given consideration to the lower radar signal havn't you?

Its the reason we see so few JK's pulled over for speeding!.......

ESPECIALLY 3.8's with the 6 spd and 3.21's.......p

Plastics = stealth and as we all know being in-de-visable has advantages........ .....anybody got breakfast ready yet?
Ah, now you're talking my language. A true advantage of the plastic front grill--less speeding tickets.
10-30-2011 05:41 AM
sneck
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Originally Posted by bwlyon View Post
Would it have made you happier if the grill and hood where instead made out of Kevlar rather than plastic? Hmm, come to think of it, how about a one piece hood and grill with an auto tilt mechanism. Now that would be awesome..
I always wondered if the milspec versions of the jeeps, and hummers for that matter with a softtop had kevlar instead of canvas
10-30-2011 05:28 AM
cu in oz You all HAVE given consideration to the lower radar signal havn't you?

Its the reason we see so few JK's pulled over for speeding!.......

ESPECIALLY 3.8's with the 6 spd and 3.21's.......p

Plastics = stealth and as we all know being in-de-visable has advantages........ .....anybody got breakfast ready yet?
10-30-2011 03:32 AM
bwlyon Would it have made you happier if the grill and hood where instead made out of Kevlar rather than plastic? Hmm, come to think of it, how about a one piece hood and grill with an auto tilt mechanism. Now that would be awesome..
10-30-2011 03:00 AM
DiSH
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Originally Posted by Jim M View Post
I figured that's why you asked. If you consider what has changed since it's inception, there have been sooo many opportunities to make the argument that the "real Jeep" no longer exists. Remember, the original Jeep, let's call it the "real Jeep", was a combat vehicle. Since then it was commercialized, and a few luxury items have been added, such as heat, doors, wiper motors, a consumer radio, one piece rims, power steering, air conditioning, a hard top option, automatic transmission, and so many more.

Indeed our beloved Jeep has been the very definition of change and adaptation to modern times, which has allowed it to be the standard in off highway performance for 70 years. Embrace the change, honor the heritage, and enjoy the community.
Don't get me wrong, I love my new Jeep, and also really love all the creature comforts the new Wranglers have. In fact, it's probably the reason that I actually own a Jeep right now, since the wife loves it as well. I don't think she would be as fond of the older Wranglers without all the "perks". As long as it still has the off-road capabilities, I can live with the plastic grill, but would prefer it to be steel if I had the choice.
10-29-2011 05:40 AM
Jim M
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Originally Posted by DiSH View Post
My point is that the Jeep grill is the iconic trademark of what makes a Jeep Wrangler, well, a "real Jeep". Besides changing the shape somewhat over the years, I just thought they would leave that part of it alone. I guess nothing's sacred nowadays. It's nothing to lose sleep over. I was only surprised to find it plastic.
I figured that's why you asked. If you consider what has changed since it's inception, there have been sooo many opportunities to make the argument that the "real Jeep" no longer exists. Remember, the original Jeep, let's call it the "real Jeep", was a combat vehicle. Since then it was commercialized, and a few luxury items have been added, such as heat, doors, wiper motors, a consumer radio, one piece rims, power steering, air conditioning, a hard top option, automatic transmission, and so many more.

Indeed our beloved Jeep has been the very definition of change and adaptation to modern times, which has allowed it to be the standard in off highway performance for 70 years. Embrace the change, honor the heritage, and enjoy the community.
10-29-2011 05:31 AM
Jim M
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Originally Posted by recreate.me View Post
What are the chances that a rock or something off the road flies into one of the 7 iconic massive openings in the grill and damages something ? It seems like that would be a common issue, but is it really ?
It hasn't been a huge problem in the last 70 or so years, but it could happen. Many will install some sort of protective mesh to the openings to help protect against such things.
10-28-2011 11:54 PM
recreate.me What are the chances that a rock or something off the road flies into one of the 7 iconic massive openings in the grill and damages something ? It seems like that would be a common issue, but is it really ?
10-28-2011 11:27 PM
Aussie Jeeper Sorry I'm one for the steel grille as well
10-28-2011 10:38 PM
Rabblerouser It also leaks. . .
10-28-2011 08:40 PM
Jeep1Dennis My Saturn daily driver has plastic panels all around. Be happy they didn't do that!

On the other hand - the Saturn has logged 137K miles, has seen 10 Wisconsin winters, and looks like new. Plastic has it's advantages......
10-28-2011 07:12 PM
Tumbleweed At least we have round headlights!!!


10-28-2011 06:55 PM
JIMBOX -I've been trained -


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Originally Posted by Mr. Sinister View Post
He's been hittin' something, that's for sure!!
JIMBO
10-28-2011 06:12 PM
Mr. Sinister
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Originally Posted by willee51 View Post
Jimbo, hits another note!
He's been hittin' something, that's for sure!!
10-28-2011 05:31 PM
JeeperJake re: "what seems "wrong" about it? It's light weight, durable, cheap to produce, cheap to replace, easy to remove, and easy to modify. I actually kind of like it now that I have it. "

actually....that was my own response after thinking about it for a while
10-28-2011 05:30 PM
DiSH
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Originally Posted by Jim M View Post
No criticism intended, but what seems "wrong" about it? It's light weight, durable, cheap to produce, cheap to replace, easy to remove, and easy to modify. I actually kind of like it now that I have it.
My point is that the Jeep grill is the iconic trademark of what makes a Jeep Wrangler, well, a "real Jeep". Besides changing the shape somewhat over the years, I just thought they would leave that part of it alone. I guess nothing's sacred nowadays. It's nothing to lose sleep over. I was only surprised to find it plastic.
10-28-2011 03:18 PM
Jim M
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Originally Posted by DiSH View Post
Wow, just noticed it this evening. The grill is plastic. I previously owned a 2000 TJ, and the grill was steel. I love everything about my new JKU, but not so sure I like a plastic grill...just seems wrong.
No criticism intended, but what seems "wrong" about it? It's light weight, durable, cheap to produce, cheap to replace, easy to remove, and easy to modify. I actually kind of like it now that I have it.
10-28-2011 12:16 PM
willee51
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Originally Posted by JIMBOX View Post
It's only plastic, because that reduces the THERMOCOUPLE effect between the grill and cross frame members--

Also the "ODD" number of grill slots, seems to provide additional, "DETHERMO", for dissimilar metal galvanic effects !

Course, you already new that-

JIMBO
Jimbo, hits another note!
10-28-2011 11:49 AM
Firstjeep11 We make the grilles where I work and they may be plastic but they are taken very good care of lol
10-28-2011 11:09 AM
azyjjk At least it's not "plastic chrome" thats on my Ford 350's
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