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10-22-2013 10:40 PM
W5KVV He hasn't logged in since 11/30/11. I hope everything turned out ok. At least he is willing to get his hands dirty. Pulling a tranny & tearing it down to the guts is not for the faint of heart.
10-22-2013 09:33 PM
bartlettluke I kind of want to know how it ended...
06-19-2012 08:27 PM
stykthyn so how did it go? I just rebuilt a trans that had this issue and it had a worn 5th counter gear and syncro sleeve. The syncro was actually broken into 3 pieces. new 5th cluster ran me about 150. pressed it on and bam.
01-02-2012 09:26 PM
ericsrhd I know its late in the game, but maybe you could look into a junkyard transmission? Or even craigslist to see if someone is selling a used one. worth shot. I too know how tight cash is!
11-24-2011 09:24 PM
mufwapo
Quote:
Originally Posted by paca View Post
I need the following:

5th gear set
5th gear cone
counter shaft
bearing kit with blocking rings
needle bearing sleeve

where can I find this a really low price!!!...PLEASE!
I just rebuilt my ax5 due to several problems with 5th gear. Most of what you mentioned yours was doing and more and I was just going to comment that you will probably need a new gearset for 5th and a whole new countershaft before I read the last posts. There aren't many places you can buy these for a good deal and be worth it. I've done several of these and one thing I learned is if I don't use the oem stuff(including syncros) the rebuild doesn't last very long and nothing wears evenly. What you will need to fix that is going to cost a few hundred dollars but if done right and the transmission not abused (mostly by trying to shift too quickly) it should last a very long time. I know you mentioned money is tight but also remember you usually get what you pay for and this isn't the type of thing most people want to do every year or two.
11-21-2011 07:05 PM
paca
parts!

I need the following:

5th gear set
5th gear cone
counter shaft
bearing kit with blocking rings
needle bearing sleeve

where can I find this a really low price!!!...PLEASE!
11-21-2011 01:00 PM
paca
Transmission

Hello guys!!!

I hope I am not bothering anyone with my latest news..

A mechanic took my transmission and after looking at it it is charging me $250 for rebuilding it.. he had given me a long list of things that I need. Is there a place or website where I can find them at a good price.

We mention that not only my 5th is bad, but my first is ready to go as well..

so, now I need to find the parts.

Thank you all for your help!!!!!!!!!

ps, riding my bike to work in rainy days sucks..lol
11-18-2011 10:54 PM
jk'n I'm not a transmission specialist and have never rebuilt a transmission so, take what I say with a grain of salt. I will be rebuilding one next summer for the first time so, after that I may be able to speak more definitively about the problem you are having with fifth. What I can say is that gear grinding is usually a sign of a bad synchronization for that gear. I think each gear has its own synchronizing system. I've seen pictures posted of what one looks like when it is worn or bad. When purchasing a rebuild kit, these parts are included in the kit along with a set of snap rings for each gear. Based on measurements, an appropriate snap ring is selected. I'm guessing that the choice of an appropriate snap ring has to do with wear caused by use. I'm an avid reader and have read all of the way through the Chrysler transmission rebuild procedure for the AX5 in preparation for the rebuild next summer. One other thing I think I have read about recently in one of the forums is that 5th gear is easily accessible and can be serviced easily. So my advice at this point would be to research what a worn synchro looks like and then check yours and compare it. That will help you determine what to do next.
11-18-2011 03:33 PM
draarong2004
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Originally Posted by paca View Post
hey draarong2004

Yes you right. I taped them as I followed some video.. Can I just clean them up?... I am not sure if my budget can handle more than a cluch and other pieces... I still need to figure out what it is wrong with 5th?

Thanks
wait nevermind, i see that now, so long as the cups never fell off the u-joints you should be good a little while longer, but i'm sure they'll need replacing soon....sometimes things look funky on my phone.

and idk if you honestly need a clutch if only one gear is giving you issues.....and like 1sas your beyond what i know of the mechanical realm of a jeep....

did it look like there was any "sludge" anywhere in the gearset?.....that might've been part of the problem.
11-18-2011 10:54 AM
1SAS Paca,

You are now beyond my ability... the only thing I can suggest is usually if a manual transmission isn't going into a specific gear, it is the synchronizers for that gear. Your transmission shop can verify this, but I can't. I wish you the best and will keep track of your progress. If I can help, I will.

Take care,
11-18-2011 08:30 AM
paca
Quote:
Originally Posted by draarong2004 View Post
because i can see all the needle bearings all over the place in the picture, and they look original....should've taped them together as you took them off so the u joints wouldn't of fallen apart

hey draarong2004

Yes you right. I taped them as I followed some video.. Can I just clean them up?... I am not sure if my budget can handle more than a cluch and other pieces... I still need to figure out what it is wrong with 5th?

Thanks
11-18-2011 08:28 AM
paca
almost done

ok, I cleaned everything as suggested, I am keeping everything organized.. I am looking at the gears... but I do not see any broken teeth... I am not sure what to look for.. any ideas please?
11-17-2011 08:13 PM
draarong2004
Quote:
Originally Posted by paca

draarong2004
how do I know if they need to be change?, everything is a little rusty and dirty...

Thank you
because i can see all the needle bearings all over the place in the picture, and they look original....should've taped them together as you took them off so the u joints wouldn't of fallen apart
11-17-2011 04:29 PM
paca
Quote:
Originally Posted by draarong2004 View Post
looks like its time for new u-joints as well....its almost sad that the trans/transfer case weighs as much as the engine.....it weighs more than my engine iirc, the 2.5L 4 banger is one light lil engine

draarong2004
how do I know if they need to be change?, everything is a little rusty and dirty...

Thank you
11-17-2011 04:29 PM
paca
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1SAS View Post
Paca,

Just some thoughts... You probably want to clean up the transmission and transfer case as best you can. It is usually more problematic putting in the transmission than taking it out. (The simple reason: Gravity works in your favor for removal. It works against you for installation.) The cleaner the parts are, the less slippery they are... the better. Also everyone finds installing clean parts much more nicer than reinstalling dirty, greasy parts.

When I put in my AX15 transmission in (and this would work for any transmission installation) I put in two studs into the bellhousing bolt holes that are located in the engine block. This allowed me to align the pilot shaft with the pilot bushing almost immediately. After it was so successful, I just thought to myself, "Why didn't I think of that all of those years before?" If you can't find studs (and they are only a few dollars) try matching up some longer bolts and cutting off the hex heads. Then grind or file down the rough edges to make them smooth and tapered. Now, the studs only have to be in finger tight... DON'T TORQUE THEM DOWN BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO REMOVE THEM. I tried to go "all studs" once, thinking that would make removal and installation so much easier but it didn't give me enough "play" to maneuver the transmission. One stud on each side of the transmission will suffice.

I would also remove the transfer case. It will make it a lot easier to put in the transmission. Once the transmission is in and torqued to specifications, lift up the transfer case and install the nuts. Putting the transfer case on isn't difficult as long as you support the weight. What is difficult is getting it into the necessary angle to put the studs through the bolt holes at the rear of the transmission. If the transfer case is clean and you have two people, you should be good to go. Once it is on the transmission, install two nuts "finger tight" and you should be able to relax.

Oh, if the transfer case slips on a little, but doesn't go on all the way, turn the output shaft to make the splines on the input shaft line up with the transmission splines. Then it should just slide on.

I hope this helps you out. Just a "side thought"... do you know how they worked with transmissions on jeeps in WWII? They put the jeep on its side and worked on it like that. It was "field expedient" and it worked. I thought it was an interesting idea, NOT THAT I AM ADVISING DOING THIS TO YOUR JEEP!

Take care,

1SAS

Great, I am taking note.. I am definitely cleaning it as it has been taking me over 30 minutes to shower and be clean enough to go to work..lol..
I wish a could put the jeep to take nap.. (turn me back please.ha,ha..)

now, I am going to follow the video on youtube of how to open the transmission and if it looks to messy I will take it to a shop.. we will see...I am surprise to see the clutch does not look to bad, but any how he is coming down.. I found a couple pieces that they do not sound too good so far. I will post pictures tonight..

Thank you!!!.
11-17-2011 09:37 AM
1SAS Paca,

Just some thoughts... You probably want to clean up the transmission and transfer case as best you can. It is usually more problematic putting in the transmission than taking it out. (The simple reason: Gravity works in your favor for removal. It works against you for installation.) The cleaner the parts are, the less slippery they are... the better. Also everyone finds installing clean parts much more nicer than reinstalling dirty, greasy parts.

When I put in my AX15 transmission in (and this would work for any transmission installation) I put in two studs into the bellhousing bolt holes that are located in the engine block. This allowed me to align the pilot shaft with the pilot bushing almost immediately. After it was so successful, I just thought to myself, "Why didn't I think of that all of those years before?" If you can't find studs (and they are only a few dollars) try matching up some longer bolts and cutting off the hex heads. Then grind or file down the rough edges to make them smooth and tapered. Now, the studs only have to be in finger tight... DON'T TORQUE THEM DOWN BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO REMOVE THEM. I tried to go "all studs" once, thinking that would make removal and installation so much easier but it didn't give me enough "play" to maneuver the transmission. One stud on each side of the transmission will suffice.

I would also remove the transfer case. It will make it a lot easier to put in the transmission. Once the transmission is in and torqued to specifications, lift up the transfer case and install the nuts. Putting the transfer case on isn't difficult as long as you support the weight. What is difficult is getting it into the necessary angle to put the studs through the bolt holes at the rear of the transmission. If the transfer case is clean and you have two people, you should be good to go. Once it is on the transmission, install two nuts "finger tight" and you should be able to relax.

Oh, if the transfer case slips on a little, but doesn't go on all the way, turn the output shaft to make the splines on the input shaft line up with the transmission splines. Then it should just slide on.

I hope this helps you out. Just a "side thought"... do you know how they worked with transmissions on jeeps in WWII? They put the jeep on its side and worked on it like that. It was "field expedient" and it worked. I thought it was an interesting idea, NOT THAT I AM ADVISING DOING THIS TO YOUR JEEP!

Take care,
11-17-2011 08:35 AM
draarong2004 looks like its time for new u-joints as well....its almost sad that the trans/transfer case weighs as much as the engine.....it weighs more than my engine iirc, the 2.5L 4 banger is one light lil engine
11-16-2011 11:53 PM
paca
done

it is 1 am. i had only slept 30 minutes in two days.. you guys were right .. damn thing too heavy , too risky.. two guys from next door help me out as i was pushing it under the jeep.lol.

thanks to all...

next step fix 5th gear and put it back with a new clutch.
11-16-2011 07:05 PM
paca
Quote:
Originally Posted by jk'n View Post
Those starter bolts are reverse torx bolts. They come undone relatively easy with the right tool. I have a set that works with a 3/8 drive. Got it for around 15 dollars at the parts store. Mine came undone with no issues.

jk'n;1749890

just got back from the store, got it!!! and a big.. big ass wrench and some spray to loose bolts.. ok guys.. here I go again to finish . I need some sleep after this .
11-16-2011 01:49 PM
jk'n Those starter bolts are reverse torx bolts. They come undone relatively easy with the right tool. I have a set that works with a 3/8 drive. Got it for around 15 dollars at the parts store. Mine came undone with no issues.
11-16-2011 12:18 PM
s_man692000
Quote:
Originally Posted by paca View Post
I will Spray them tonight the last 3 bolts do not want to come out.

Hey s_man692000
did you work in your SYNCHROs? I am feeling brave enough to check my fifth gear... you never know I might end up doing the whole job myself..ha,ha,,
No,I have no reason to go inside the tranny 150 KMI and still shifting perfectly .
11-16-2011 08:51 AM
paca
Quote:
Originally Posted by yotefever View Post
It maybe too late but I used a ratchet strap to hold and lower my trans/tc. I hooked each end around each side bar then through the hole, around the trans. While using my jack I got it down and back in without holding the darn thing. My shoulders are not what they used to be.
Good luck with yours, I am replacing a ba10 trans to a ax15.
Quote:
Originally Posted by draarong2004 View Post
did you spray the bolts your taking out with pb blaster penetrating oil????
yotefever;1748683
I will Spray the last 3 bolts tonight.. little suckers ..lol
11-16-2011 08:08 AM
paca
Quote:
Originally Posted by yotefever View Post
It maybe too late but I used a ratchet strap to hold and lower my trans/tc. I hooked each end around each side bar then through the hole, around the trans. While using my jack I got it down and back in without holding the darn thing. My shoulders are not what they used to be.
Good luck with yours, I am replacing a ba10 trans to a ax15.

roger that, I strapped it !
11-16-2011 08:06 AM
paca
Quote:
Originally Posted by s_man692000 View Post
Good progress man,after this job you should be able to tackle just about anything on your jeep .I installed my new clutch assembly last night ,along with tranny ,t-case ,all wired connections ,filled back with fluid,installed shifters.Tonight all I have to do is ,exhaust,starter,belly pan ,drive shafts,and shift boot ,and install master and slave ,andf I should be back on the road !!!!

I will Spray them tonight the last 3 bolts do not want to come out.

Hey s_man692000
did you work in your SYNCHROs? I am feeling brave enough to check my fifth gear... you never know I might end up doing the whole job myself..ha,ha,,
11-16-2011 07:48 AM
s_man692000 Oh and I have to top off tranny fluid in t-case, lost a little during removal .
11-16-2011 07:47 AM
s_man692000 Good progress man,after this job you should be able to tackle just about anything on your jeep .I installed my new clutch assembly last night ,along with tranny ,t-case ,all wired connections ,filled back with fluid,installed shifters.Tonight all I have to do is ,exhaust,starter,belly pan ,drive shafts,and shift boot ,and install master and slave ,andf I should be back on the road !!!!
11-16-2011 07:46 AM
draarong2004 did you spray the bolts your taking out with pb blaster penetrating oil????
11-16-2011 04:20 AM
paca
could not finish today

ok..so far one of the screw that holds the starter doe not want to come out.. and then two wrenche4s broke.. (that is 4 already) and the socket that I am using for the big bolts... it is 5 am... I will take nap and go to work.. hopefully I get it done tonight...

I place some ropes to hold the trans and I placed a rolling jack..
11-16-2011 12:33 AM
paca
sensors..slave.. shifts

Quote:
Originally Posted by paca View Post
rear shaft is out... forgot what goes next.. need to see check list
what a freaking pain the ass,... i just spent almost an hour trying to figure out how to remove the shifter.. I could not push down enough..it was a base under the rubber piece the one that I had to push down...!!! now I will be removing starter.. and the big bolts and this baby is going down!!!!!!
11-15-2011 11:08 PM
yotefever It maybe too late but I used a ratchet strap to hold and lower my trans/tc. I hooked each end around each side bar then through the hole, around the trans. While using my jack I got it down and back in without holding the darn thing. My shoulders are not what they used to be.
Good luck with yours, I am replacing a ba10 trans to a ax15.
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