|12-29-2007 07:19 AM|
Thanks for everyone for participating in the poll. It is quite surprising though. I figured the Automatics would walk away with the poll votes. I've been watching this since i started this and it stayed almost dead even. I know im happy with either or, I can drive both Auto and Manual, So i was just wanted to see what people prefered.
Hope everyone has a happy new year. And Drive Safely.
|12-25-2007 01:07 PM|
|2much||I have the newer 6 spd manual and I love it, I don't think my jeep would be near as much fun with an auto, that being said, I know (and have experienced) the downside of a manual in rocks, but to me if really like driving a manual you get used to it, and as to having to work the clutch in traffic, it just comes along with having a manual, to each his own.|
|12-23-2007 11:22 AM|
one of the reasons why i wouldn't get an auto for my tj is the only 3 gears... I would love to see some 1 swap a cvt tranny into a wrangler though.
to me also manual is more fun than auto
|12-23-2007 11:06 AM|
You are so right, an age old debate. Nothing works better than what is best for you. What is more comfortable for you. Don't do something, because you think it is status Que, if it doesn't feel right, for you. On another note, wheeling on rocks with a standard, is all about final crawl ratio. It is really that simple, and most people don't understand that principle. A turtle can walk faster than my YJ, in first gear, and in the low side of my t-case. You simply multiply your first gear ratio by the ratio of your t-case X the gear ratio in your axles, and that gives you your crawl ratio. Mine is 6.65 X 5.44 X 4.56 = 164.96 Anything over 80 is very respectable, so you can see that it would take alot, to stall me out........
|12-23-2007 02:10 AM|
|12-23-2007 01:00 AM|
|ruhlahan||manual for me. .. but I don't do any rock crawling, not really my thing.. I prefer wheel spin and mud flying.. but then again, I drag race too|
|12-23-2007 12:13 AM|
|mr4x4||Well if you get the auto you can drink your beer with your free hand|
|12-22-2007 02:40 PM|
|12-22-2007 02:36 PM|
|Scotty355||Went to lentech and it's a Ford Automatic tranny set up like I did mine only professionally. you can get manual valve bodies from B&M if you don't have alot of money.|
|12-22-2007 02:29 PM|
|Triple88a||read the comments, he explains it a bit. I wanna see pics though|
|12-22-2007 02:22 PM|
|Scotty355||I'd like to see how that works, sounds interesting.|
|12-22-2007 02:20 PM|
|Triple88a||In the comments the owner says its a fully manual tranny..|
|12-22-2007 02:19 PM|
I did put a reverse manual valve body in my 68 dodge the gear pattern went
P-R-N-1-2-3, I had to shift thru the gears up and down but I still considered it an automatic because it was still based on an automatic transmission.
|12-22-2007 12:21 PM|
Scotty try this...
Manual tranny w/ a torque converter.
|12-22-2007 09:27 AM|
...on the other hand, he is talking about lifting and putting 35s on it - so maybe you are right..., gas mileage does not seem to be a concern
|12-22-2007 08:01 AM|
|12-22-2007 05:24 AM|
Tobcat1 is right about sitting in traffic. I work around that by flipping the tranny into Neutral, and not sitting on the clutch at a Red Light.
Sometimes, if the road is level and I'm not rolling forward or back, I'll even take my foot off the brake (something you can only do in an automatic when on an incline, when your automatic tranny will hold you still; although not recommended by the manufacturer), so that I have both feet and legs "at rest."
Perhaps the ability of the automatic to "hold" a vehicle at a certain incline, helps the rock-climbing crowd as well, in some ways.
|12-22-2007 04:54 AM|
I agree with what Jerry said, though I do have to chime in on one point. Using the gas to inch up, hold steady, or back down can slightly is a big advantage with the slushbox. However, with a good setup, the same thing can be achieved with a stick, minus the backing down. For example, in my junk that also has done the Hammer trails, it is a RF151 5 speed tranny, followed by dual transfer cases. The first case has a reduction gear of 2.28 and the second case has a reduction of 4.7. Combined, with 5.29 gears and 35's, over all ratio is 223, or 47 to 1 with just the first case or 98 to 1 with only the back case. Then select your gear in the tranny. With a dual case setup, there is 20 different forward speeds to chose from. One will surely work for any 5+ rated trail.
Overall jist of this statement is if one better than the other? No, in my opinion, it is what works for the driver. Manual transmissions have their place, as do automatics. Having driven an auto tranny on True Grit in Parker, they are nice for the rocks. Personally, I think autos make rockcrawling easier, which to me makes it a little more enjoyable. However, I also believe that a stick shift gives the driver more options and controls speed better than an auto, but then that's what brakes are for.
End statement, comes down to personnal preference!
|12-22-2007 03:11 AM|
some 1 made manual tranny w/ a torque converter..
|12-22-2007 01:38 AM|
|12-21-2007 11:48 PM|
|12-21-2007 11:46 PM|
|tobycat1||If you sit in traffic, then get an auto. Its just so much more convenient|
|12-21-2007 11:15 PM|
if you like the manual buy a manual if you like the auto buy that
but as far as only the three speed auto the 2003 and newer tj's have the 4speed overdrive trans
but so do the xj's and if I was to put the overdrive trans in it would probably be the xjs auto its easeir for me to find
but then I would be running 4.88's instead of 4.56's
It really depends on what you prefer
|12-21-2007 11:00 PM|
wow i sparked a good discussion here didnt i. i still cant decide what to go with. i do love manual but it seems that auto is the way to go. in my bmw it had an auto and after i killed 3 in 100k miles i put in a manual and have since put 200k miles on it (yes the car has over 300k miles on it) so i know manuals last but if auto is the way to go in a jeep i guess i will do that (even tho manual is more fun).
Jonny15: i will be putting D60 axles in it. i got them out of a ford truck and just need to cut them to size and weld tj brackets on them.
|12-21-2007 03:51 PM|
i believe that if you do alot of crawling an auto tranny is probably more desirable. I have a manual tranny though and i just think its much more enjoyable to drive a manual rather than an auto. I like the fact that a manual tranny connects you to the vehicle much better than an auto. I dont do alot of crawling, almost never actually....my offroading is usually limited to trail runs here in NH so a manual tranny works just fine.
Now i could see if you do some serious crawling i can see how an auto would be much more desirable, and if thats the type of terrain you consistantly run on, or you have a purpose built crawling machine, than i would deffinitely agree that an auto would be a better choice simply because it takes the clutch out of the equation. I would also imagine you would burn through clutches pretty fast if you do alot of crawling with a manual tranny.
For almost any other offroading though i would have to give the nod to the manual tranny simply because of of my personal opinion. I believe a manual tranny connects you to the vehicle better and offers you more choices with gear selection. Plus manual tranny's are just damn plain fun to drive
So the way i see it, unless a manual tranny offers a great disadvantage for the type of offroading you do, such as crawling, theres no reason not to get one....unless of course you dont like driving a manual tranny to begin with, but who doesn't???
But to answer your question both the manual and auto tranny's will hold up just fine for wheeling, i'd be more concerned about whether or not you have a D35 in that jeep if you plan on wheeling with 35's....if you really want to put 35's on it probably more important than what tranny to get is to look for one with a D44 instead of the D35
|12-21-2007 03:45 PM|
Well Here in North Dakota and Northern Minnesota we don't have any rocks. Mostly what we do is trails through the woods. I have had both Automatics and Manuals my whole life. When i finally purchased my Jeep i was looking at both transmissions. I choose the one that i thought was the best deal and the vehical that was kept in the best shape. Mine happens to be a 5 speed Manual and i am loving it. I don't live in a big city were theres alot of traffic and this is my everyday vehical. I am very happy with my manual, but if i found an automatic that was in the shape i wanted, and for the best price i am sure i would have been equally happy with that. No one is ever going to win the battle between Manual or Automatic transmissions. Each and every one of us has there own preferences which makes this a great subject for a debate. All i know is what ever makes you happy, then go for it.
Happy Holidays to everyone
|12-21-2007 03:03 PM|
Wow! Such drama!! Sounds like I've stirred up a bees nest. (not intentionally).
Merry Christmas to YOU, too!
|12-21-2007 01:40 PM|
I personaly like manual. it keeps me entertained while driving and helps me pay attention to driving
and i like rowing through the gears while mudding
|12-21-2007 12:55 PM|
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