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11-16-2011 02:26 PM
fadec Thanks...that's good to know. For a daily driver and $$$, I'm convinced the Truetrac is the way to go up front.
11-16-2011 02:08 PM
IslandTJ Nope, there's no hub conversion kit in my TrueTrac'd D30
11-16-2011 01:58 PM
fadec Is a hub conversion kit required for the Truetrac when installed in a Dana 30?

I recall reading a note in a 4Wheel Drive Hardware catalog stating that 87-05 Wranglers require a front hub conversion kit with the Detroit Truetrac. Wasn't sure why. Maybe it's a misprint.
11-15-2011 09:48 PM
jameslee97206 I pm'd IslandTj a link to this thread as I thought the Op might gain something from him. I have wheeled with Island a few times and his jeep is a BEAST off road. Even had to winch me once on a trail he blazed right through with the true tracs.
11-15-2011 08:52 PM
Dempsey Good read.
11-15-2011 08:48 PM
IslandTJ My take on the TrueTracs, from a prior thread:

Quote:
Originally Posted by IslandTJ
My Jeep is my daily driver and at times, my wife drives it too. When I was open and ready to upgrade my diffs, I did a lot of research and at the time, a selectable locker like ARB managed to get the majority of points in my positive column. Unfortunately, the one negative point that ultimately swayed my direction from a selectable locking device and that was cost.

Less costly are automatic lockers and I really liked the reviews I've read about Detroit Softlockers. One nice point in favor of the Detroit Locker is that it comes with the base Superior Super 35 kit for the Jeep's Dana 35 rear axle (which I wanted to upgrade). A Jeep locker front and back with Detroits is reassuring in my mind. The simplicity of the locker combined with the strength gives a "peace of mind" while wheeling. There is a learning curve though, and driving during the winter seasons may be a bit tricky. With this in mind and the fact that my wife drives the Jeep on occasion, led me to continue researching for another option.

I finally ended up selecting and installing the Detroit TrueTrac in the front and rear of my Jeep. Some factors contributing to my decision include:
  1. On road manners with no surprises - regardless of the season (Jeep is my daily driver)
  2. Wife drives the Jeep on occasion (see above, especially during winter)
  3. I don't rock crawl
  4. I rarely lift my tires while off roading

I wheel in the Pacific Northwest and for the majority of trails and types, the TrueTrac, in my opinion is the ideal traction device for a daily driven Jeep. On the road, the TrueTracs are transparent to me, I can not tell or feel their presence. During the winter time, they even give a better sense of control. I've even engaged 4wd for deep snow covered streets and the TrueTracs performed great. My wife has driven my Jeep during the winter and she doesn't even know they're there.

Off-road, well if you are doing trails more difficult than these pics, you will need something more capable than a TrueTrac. Note, the TrueTracs got me though all of the Oregon trails below without the use of a winch or strap .






I am very happy with my decision with the TrueTracs. On many occasions, many wheelers think I am locked and are surprised when I tell them I am not but just running limited slips. The on road performance is there when you need it and not in a negative way too. However, it is important to state that the TrueTrac is not a locker and will definitely show its weaknesses in the rocks and in off camber scenarios where a tire off the ground is common. For me and my requirements and type of wheeling I do - it's the ideal traction solution .
11-15-2011 08:15 PM
Dempsey
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Originally Posted by 4Jeepn
fwiw, buddy of mine hated his front true trac for snow covered roads, almost as a bad a a full locker from what he told me.
Really. Good info. I wouldn't have figured that.
11-15-2011 08:15 PM
Jerry Bransford
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Originally Posted by 4Jeepn View Post
fwiw, buddy of mine hated his front true trac for snow covered roads, almost as a bad a a full locker from what he told me.
Your buddy may have had a Detroit Locker up front and misdescribed it as or simply thought it ws a Detroit Truetrac. My former TJ at one time had f/r Detroit Truetracs and they were both benign and amazing on icy roads during the winter. They weren't good for offroad use though so I eventually upgraded both to lockers... Detroit Locker in the rear, Powertrax No-Slip lunchbox locker up front

But for snow or ice covered roads, it doesn't get any better than Detroit Truetracs... the most benign and best performing limited slip differential I'm aware of.
11-15-2011 08:15 PM
04wrangler04
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford
Based on your location, I'd go for an ARB in the rear Dana 44 axle if youir primary intent is for offroad use. If your primary intent is to help you get around on Michigan's paved roads and highways during your occasionally horrific winters, front and rear Detroit Truetracs would be awesome.
I'm not too worried about getting around the roads, because they usually get plowed very soon after it snows, but I do look for unplowed parking lots to drive through, not too many places to go off road in my area.
11-15-2011 08:13 PM
4Jeepn fwiw, buddy of mine hated his front true trac for snow covered roads, almost as a bad a a full locker from what he told me.
11-15-2011 08:10 PM
Dempsey
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Originally Posted by 04wrangler04

I agree, but it would be too expensive
I see you need a money tree too. I think Jerry is right. Truetracs is a great option.
11-15-2011 08:08 PM
04wrangler04
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Originally Posted by Dempsey

A arb rear and detriot truetrac in the front down the road is a good setup. If you plan on regearing now would be the time....but you'd have to wait.
I agree, but it would be too expensive
11-15-2011 08:06 PM
Dempsey
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Originally Posted by 04wrangler04

d44
A arb rear and detriot truetrac in the front down the road is a good setup. If you plan on regearing now would be the time....but you'd have to wait.
11-15-2011 08:05 PM
Jerry Bransford Based on your location and if your primary intent is for offroad use, I'd go for an ARB in the rear Dana 44 axle. If your primary intent is to help you get around on Michigan's paved roads and highways during your occasionally horrific winters, front and rear Detroit Truetracs would be awesome.
11-15-2011 08:03 PM
04wrangler04
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Originally Posted by dempsey

well i'd say a lunch box would be less than desirable. Next question. Do you have a d35 or d44?
I have heard great stuff about the truetrac's.
d44
11-15-2011 08:03 PM
04wrangler04
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford
What rear axle do you have? Dana 35c or Dana 44? Where do you live and do you have to drive on icy roads? Do you need 4x4 to get around during the winter or can you make it in 2wd?
Dana 44. I live in Michigan, so yes definitely icy roads, and I don't NEED 4x4 in the winter, well at least not on the roads :P
11-15-2011 07:58 PM
Dempsey
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Originally Posted by 04wrangler04

Yes, I know that, I actually meant to acknowledge that in my op, but I forgot. I live in Michigan, so quite a bit of snow. The off roading that I do is generally not too hardcore, but I want something that will help me out if I really need it.
Well I'd say a lunch box would be less than desirable. Next question. Do you have a d35 or d44?
I have heard great stuff about the truetrac's.
11-15-2011 07:58 PM
Jerry Bransford What rear axle do you have? Dana 35c or Dana 44? Do you have to drive on icy roads? Do you need 4x4 to get around during the winter or can you make it in 2wd?
11-15-2011 07:56 PM
04wrangler04
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dempsey
Well not to be a critic but the detriot true trac is a limited slip diff not a locker.

An ARB locker and other selectables are awesome.

Do you live in a area with snow? If not maybe a front Aussie locker may be enough and only $300.

The 2% you offroad is it hard core?
Yes, I know that, I actually meant to acknowledge that in my op, but I forgot. I live in Michigan, so quite a bit of snow. The off roading that I do is generally not too hardcore, but I want something that will help me out if I really need it.
11-15-2011 07:51 PM
Dempsey Well not to be a critic but the detriot true trac is a limited slip diff not a locker.

An ARB locker and other selectables are awesome.

Do you live in a area with snow? If not maybe a front Aussie locker may be enough and only $300.

The 2% you offroad is it hard core?

All differentials have pros and cons to driveability, cost, performance, etc.
11-15-2011 07:47 PM
04wrangler04
Lockers

Hi guys,

I want to buy lockers, but money is kind of tight, so I can't get much. I want to keep it under $1000 for locker(s) uninstalled. I drive 98% road, 2% off road. I have pretty much narrowed it down to two choices (although other recommendations are welcome):

1 ARB locker in the rear

Or

2 Detroit truetracs front and rear

Which one would be better?

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