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11-27-2011 09:13 PM
luckyAD80
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Originally Posted by Kevbz View Post
TJ Jeep Problem with Instrument Guages.

search gauge here on WF and you get about 4 or 5 threads talking about it.

I just took a small pointed screwdriver and gave each one a lil push to the left...nothing drastic, just a push to help them connect when plugged back in
Thank you.. I'll try that soon.. sorry for not posting ive been a little busy but you all have been a great help!
11-25-2011 07:02 PM
Kevbz TJ Jeep Problem with Instrument Guages.

search gauge here on WF and you get about 4 or 5 threads talking about it.

I just took a small pointed screwdriver and gave each one a lil push to the left...nothing drastic, just a push to help them connect when plugged back in
11-21-2011 11:15 PM
luckyAD80 Could you link me that thread please?
11-20-2011 09:40 PM
Kevbz
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Originally Posted by luckyAD80
How would I bend them?? I feel like that's a bad idea... Would lightly sanding the tips work?
I am not suggesting you tweak these things hardcore. You'd be amazed what a millimeter will do. As things wiggle and vibrate they wear. All you are doing is taking up the wear for a snug fit. The other option is finding a new plug, which would probably involve cutting and splicing.

Try this... Take the cluster loose from the dash. With the jeep running and the guages still plugged in, wiggle the plug as you watch the guages, if a small amount of play kills the guages, it's worn, most likely on the plug side (female), if this is the problem the only options I see are 1) new plug spliced in, 2) use a small eyeglass flat screwdriver and try to tweak the female ends so they are closed up a bit 3) use needle nose plyers and tweak the male pins on the guages so they contact the female plug better...or 4) do like I do and slap it like you own it!

There is a thread on here about dead guages that explains the pin tweak a bit better.
11-20-2011 08:38 PM
luckyAD80 How would I bend them?? I feel like that's a bad idea... Would lightly sanding the tips work?

Just an update: drove today and the gauges dropped again but a lot shorter and happened less than usual. Moving the trip nob didnt help today tho

Im minda OCD so i just want this to work all the time.

Also scgeek, for te LED replacement mod, would blue, amber, and green all be bright enough or would one of those be too dull?
11-20-2011 11:43 AM
scgeek12 double post
11-20-2011 11:42 AM
scgeek12
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Originally Posted by Kevbz View Post
one side is a female plug, the other side is male, err, pins. where you disconnected them and did the grease. thats where you are losing the connection. those pints/connectors get loose over time, a slight bend helps the pins stay pressed against the connector
i would think just giving the gauges a love tap every now and then would be a better option, altho if they are coming back on when you hit them i agree your losing your connection there more than likely, if you bend the pins even just a little bit to much they could break off and you will have to pull it all out and repin it, or if you dont break it the gauges just wont go back in and work, either way id leave that one alone myself, altho if done right it could work
11-20-2011 10:13 AM
Kevbz one side is a female plug, the other side is male, err, pins. where you disconnected them and did the grease. thats where you are losing the connection. those pints/connectors get loose over time, a slight bend helps the pins stay pressed against the connector
11-20-2011 09:43 AM
luckyAD80
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Originally Posted by Kevbz
I have heard you bend, or tweak the lil silver pins so they connect tight, kinda like you would with a plug and an outlet in the house when the cord gets loose, just bend alittle to ensure good contact when plugged in.

Or do what I do, two swift slaps to the top of the dash, and bingo...they come to life...occasional I say "bad Jeep" to let it know i am not happy also
What silver pins?
11-20-2011 06:37 AM
scgeek12
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Originally Posted by Kevbz View Post
I have heard you bend, or tweak the lil silver pins so they connect tight, kinda like you would with a plug and an outlet in the house when the cord gets loose, just bend alittle to ensure good contact when plugged in.

Or do what I do, two swift slaps to the top of the dash, and bingo...they come to life...occasional I say "bad Jeep" to let it know i am not happy also
lol!
11-19-2011 11:01 PM
Kevbz I have heard you bend, or tweak the lil silver pins so they connect tight, kinda like you would with a plug and an outlet in the house when the cord gets loose, just bend alittle to ensure good contact when plugged in.

Or do what I do, two swift slaps to the top of the dash, and bingo...they come to life...occasional I say "bad Jeep" to let it know i am not happy also
11-19-2011 08:16 PM
luckyAD80 talked to my dad's friend for an hour today. When i pulled in it had the 'no bus' reading so I messed with the trip meter, wiggled it a little like a read in another post and the gauges immediately came back! haha go figure.. that confirms its an electrical problem.. he really doesnt think its a cps issue.. checked fuses, etc.. everythings plugged in fine and dandy that we can see. but just a random question.. the fuses for ABS are gone.. does that mean I ahve no airbags or anti-brake system..

but yeah.. im going to drive it tomorrow and see how the gauges do.. if it keeps working ill be stupidly amazed haha.. but i doubt the trip meter wiggle is permanent... maybe something in the gauge cluster is messed up.. should i try taking that apart? the guy i talked to said no cause wed probably mess up more things..

but on another note, i found out the radiator is leaking a good amount of fluid and there are some other things leaking a little but not problems yet.. cant wait! haha.. more projects ahead

I think im going to get the car services so I can figure out all things wrong with it, then I'll cake it into my own hands to replace parts..

so yeah, I'll update you tomorrow on how the gauges do
11-18-2011 03:49 PM
scgeek12
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Originally Posted by luckyAD80 View Post
Yeah just to restate for clarification...
The spedometer and rom gauges drop. I get no bus message. The engine light usually comes on. The airbag light comes on. And about half the time all the other gauges (oil, fuel), drop.... Im startin to think it has to be ecm or faulty/shirt wire somewhere. Im takin it to my dads friend tomorrow morning. Ill post tomorrow night if i learn anything new.
just try a google search for jeep tj no bus, theres a ton of threads on it and most of the fixes are CPS / wiring, i highly doubt its the computer itself, and id toss a $50 cps that can be changed in minutes in before i tried the computer, even the TPS takes less than 10minutes to change and id try that to, if it doesnt work just return it, start with the cheap stuff first
11-18-2011 03:32 PM
luckyAD80 Yeah just to restate for clarification...
The spedometer and rom gauges drop. I get no bus message. The engine light usually comes on. The airbag light comes on. And about half the time all the other gauges (oil, fuel), drop.... Im startin to think it has to be ecm or faulty/shirt wire somewhere. Im takin it to my dads friend tomorrow morning. Ill post tomorrow night if i learn anything new.
11-18-2011 02:47 PM
scgeek12 it is possible, cant hurt to try im pretty sure any sensor that feeds info to the PCM can cause the no bus msg, again PRETTY sure
11-18-2011 02:45 PM
luckyAD80 Virginia. And i will... If i ever figure it out. Im not gunna spend any money unless i know for sure what part to get or the car gets worse.. But do you think the tps could do anything to cause my problem??
11-18-2011 02:19 PM
scgeek12
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Originally Posted by luckyAD80 View Post
Went to dealership. Couldnt find anything with that tsb number. Imma get my dads friend to help me find any grounded wires or corrosion and if thats not the case ill buy a cps from napa advance autoparts. Thanks again man! And yeah manual with soft top

We should meet up somewhere and offroad sometime!
where are you located? im down for some wheelin! but keep this thread updated i want to know the final solution
11-18-2011 02:12 PM
luckyAD80 Went to dealership. Couldnt find anything with that tsb number. Imma get my dads friend to help me find any grounded wires or corrosion and if thats not the case ill buy a cps from napa advance autoparts. Thanks again man! And yeah manual with soft top

We should meet up somewhere and offroad sometime!
11-18-2011 02:01 PM
scgeek12 BTW i want to say that what i said above is my personal opinion on autozone, others may like them but after buying 6 suspension components at 1 time for my S10 and every single one of them was either wrong of bad from stock, i keep away as much as i can.
11-18-2011 01:51 PM
scgeek12 4,16,18,19,20 out of mine
so guessing you have a manual transmission with a softop like me lol!
11-18-2011 01:48 PM
scgeek12
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Originally Posted by luckyAD80 View Post
18 20 16 and 4 are missing
some will be blank, ill go look at mine real quick i know i have a few out, 1min
11-18-2011 01:45 PM
luckyAD80 18 20 16 and 4 are missing
11-18-2011 01:37 PM
scgeek12
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Originally Posted by luckyAD80 View Post
Alright I'll head there now... If i can return it if it doesnt work that sounds great but hould i try cleaning random wires first?
id try the CPS first, if that doesnt work return it and clean the grounds, and check all the fuses behind the glove box, if that doesnt work start tracing the wires going to the PCM might be a short
11-18-2011 01:34 PM
luckyAD80 Alright I'll head there now... If i can return it if it doesnt work that sounds great but hould i try cleaning random wires first?
11-18-2011 01:34 PM
scgeek12 another thing to check would be all the fuses behind your glovebox, but remember there is a TSB out for this so you might want to just bring it to the dealer and tell them to look up TSB 08-15-99 and take a look at the jeep, just make sure they arent going to charge you to look at it first
11-18-2011 01:24 PM
scgeek12
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Originally Posted by luckyAD80 View Post
At autozone. The guy here swears its a computer issue. And theres a code for my tps when he checked it. Also he thinks maybe replacing the speed sensor would help. But he swears its my ecm. What to do..? The ecm is close to $400 but he said chrysler makes some bad ecms for their cars...

well first thing you should do is stop shopping at autozone, they are a bunch of fucktards that couldnt tell you the difference between a camry and a jeep i dont recall you saying your check engine light is on? if not the TPS code is prolly just in the history and i wouldnt worry about it to much, you will know if your TPS goes it will start to feel like its missing all the time and such, id go to advanced auto and pick up a borg warner CPS (if they make it in borg warner, i have had great luck with their sensors, nice warranty as well) and if you want i know they sell borg warner TPS's their, i have one in mine
11-18-2011 01:16 PM
luckyAD80 At autozone. The guy here swears its a computer issue. And theres a code for my tps when he checked it. Also he thinks maybe replacing the speed sensor would help. But he swears its my ecm. What to do..? The ecm is close to $400 but he said chrysler makes some bad ecms for their cars...
11-18-2011 11:27 AM
scgeek12 you cant test it without a special chrysler tool ( DRB scan tool) according to the FSM anyway, best to just get a new one with a warranty, if it doesnt fix it just return it but from what ive read on here it SHOULD fix it
11-18-2011 10:57 AM
luckyAD80
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Originally Posted by scgeek12
not the best video but here ya go-

jeep tj CPS location - YouTube
Dude you are the best. Thank you so much for all your help. Sorry if I'm bothering you with all my questions, just lemme know - I won't be offended.
But yeah this helps a lot. What do I need to test if it works? Before I replace it?
11-18-2011 10:39 AM
scgeek12 not the best video but here ya go-

jeep tj CPS location - YouTube
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