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12-08-2011 05:49 AM
Kevbz bolt pattern is from far edge of one bolt hole, across to the other. with 5 lug you are basically skipping a hole.

so.....far edge of one hole to center of hole across
12-07-2011 07:27 PM
luckyAD80 Should i consider upgrading to a 6 and how hard of an installation would this be?
12-07-2011 07:24 PM
InvertChaos
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Originally Posted by luckyAD80
So whats a body lift useful for then?

And i have a 2.5L. Is that gunna be even more of an issue?
Its useful for getting that extra 1-1.25" of clearance needed for a slightly larger tire and in the future it allows for a tummy tuck which tucks your transfer case up into the frame giving you ~3" more ground clearance with zero lift.

You betcha its going to be more of an issue. I do know a Guy with a 4cyl on 35s with stock gearing though, I just sure wouldn't be happy with it on road.
12-07-2011 07:20 PM
luckyAD80 So whats a body lift useful for then?

And i have a 2.5L. Is that gunna be even more of an issue?
12-07-2011 07:12 PM
InvertChaos
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Originally Posted by luckyAD80
Nice jeep! Looks good. I'd like to have a little more lift than that so maybe 3 inch suspension 2 inch body, or maybe 4 inch suspension? Why is the body lift not supposed to go higher than 1.25?
Any higher than that and you start running into issues with your radiator fan hitting stuff, your gas tank fill tube not being long enough, brake lines (I think), the transfer case shifter brakcet gets complicated, and you can see daylight between the body and frame. I'm sure there is more downsides but it is certainly possible.

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Originally Posted by luckyAD80
Oh and i have a 5-speed manual.. What do you have and hows your mpg? Do you have to get into realigning any of that stuff? Because installing all this would already be really hard for me as I've never worked on cars.
I have the 4.0L and 5 speed and used to have 3.73s in the axles. It was a dog wherever I went anand I couldn't even use 5th gear on the highway. I think I averaged 13mpg However many people can tolerate it. I could not and swapped in some 4.56s in the axles and now have plenty of power and get 17mpg consistently and sometimes as high as 19mpg if i am careful.
12-07-2011 07:06 PM
luckyAD80 Oh and i have a 5-speed manual.. What do you have and hows your mpg? Do you have to get into realigning any of that stuff? Because installing all this would already be really hard for me as I've never worked on cars.
12-07-2011 07:05 PM
luckyAD80 Nice jeep! Looks good. I'd like to have a little more lift than that so maybe 3 inch suspension 2 inch body, or maybe 4 inch suspension? Why is the body lift not supposed to go higher than 1.25?
12-07-2011 07:03 PM
luckyAD80 Here are some pics... Sorry for the foot haha wheel kept rollin away. Look good?
12-07-2011 06:56 PM
InvertChaos
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Originally Posted by luckyAD80

I think I want a 4 inch lift. Are stock tires for sure 29"? i think I want some 32s or 33s with moderate offroad tread so I can still use it as a DD and it wont be really annoying to drive. Ill definitely stick with this advice () thanks!




The spacing between two next to each other, or two with one in between?
Some pics with rulers there would be nice if you have time

Anyone else want to verify this? If so, would a 2 inch BL and a 2 inch SL look good with 32s or 33s?

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I'll post some pics with rulers of my wheels in a little

33" and 4" of total lift is what is generally recommended but you can get away with a bit in either direction provided it is set up correctly with bumpstops limiting your uptravel.

When considering the jump to 33s, consider your gearing in the axles. You will suffer massive power loss and your mileage will tank for sure. Depending on what transmission and gearing you have the effect will be greater or lesser.

As far as tread goes, I would go with an aggressive A/T. I really like my Goodyear Duratracs on and off road.

I believe its 5 holes on a 4.5" diameter circle but I'm not sure. If you're buying new wheels, the seller should know the bolt pattern. Just look for 5 on 4.5. Also consider the back spacing which is measured from the edge of the wheel that faces towarrd the vehicle to the mounting surface or where it actually touches the axle. Its pretty much how deep the wheels are. For a 33x12.50x15 tire you will want a 15x8 wheel with less than 4" of backspacing to "push" the tires out from the jeep.

Many recommend not going any higher than 1.25" on a body lift. I have a 2.5" suspension lift and 1.25" body lift and am successfully running 33x12.50x15 tires that measure to just about 32.4" tall.

12-07-2011 06:34 PM
luckyAD80
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rough ball park figure is getting tires 4" bigger, get a 4" lift ect.
I think I want a 4 inch lift. Are stock tires for sure 29"? i think I want some 32s or 33s with moderate offroad tread so I can still use it as a DD and it wont be really annoying to drive. Ill definitely stick with this advice (
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extreme A/T (all terrain) tire to a mild M/T (mud terrain)
) thanks!

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the spacing between two of the the lug nuts is 4.5"
The spacing between two next to each other, or two with one in between?
Some pics with rulers there would be nice if you have time


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get half of your lift in suspension other half in the body
Anyone else want to verify this? If so, would a 2 inch BL and a 2 inch SL look good with 32s or 33s?

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I'll post some pics with rulers of my wheels in a little
12-04-2011 07:09 AM
jp2611 Not trying to discourage or keep you from asking questions---if you have time try reading the thread on lifts---or the thread what I did to my TJ today--look for the threads on what kind of tires/how big will fit.

We all like answering questions but it might make it easier for you to understand how it "goes together" if you had more information as to what all the options are.

Only other piece of advice I have--get half of your lift in suspension other half in the body.
12-04-2011 06:32 AM
Kevbz nothing is impossible to do yourself, if you have some mechanical help you can do most all or it, just be prepared to shell out the dough to the experts if you get it all apart and then scratch your head thinking "rut roe"....I scratch my head alot!

rims have two measurements, the diameter and width. given as a number like 15x8. 15 inches across the rim, 8 inches from front to back. most are 7" or 8" or 10" wide. 15"-20" across.

I am just assuming from your original post you have some rims that you own already and want to put them on your jeep. Have you checked to see if they fit? The bolt pattern has to be the same, (TJ's are 5x4.5, simply put 5 lug nuts and the spacing between two of the the lug nuts is 4.5")

and the backspacing (the inside of the rim measured from the flat surface where the lug nuts go to edge of the rim, just like measuring the width, but now you are seeing how much space is inside the back of the rim.) this space is usually 3 1/2 - 4" to allow room for the brakes behind the rim.
12-03-2011 10:43 PM
luckyAD80
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#8 most are shop stuff if you have to ask...lol. Some simple lifts kit are easy to do, but some require you to really know your stuff, and usually there is some kind of tire alignment to get the lifts geometry right. toe in/out, camber, pinion angle...if these word make you say "huh?" a shop should do it. tires of course need to be mounted with the right equipment....but hey, you can scrub those wheels!
-huh? haha i have some family members that know their way around cars pretty well, not specifically jeeps, but yeah

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Are you willing to get a new driveshaft to accomadate your lift?
-how big would i have to go?
-and i'll get back to you on the size rims.. how are they measured?


thanks a bunch guys
12-03-2011 06:11 PM
Briangr Getting a better idea about what tire size you want, or how much lift you want will help us help you.

Ballpark how much are you willing to spend?
Are you willing to get a new driveshaft to accomadate your lift?
What size rims are the ones you are looking at?

These are all things to consider when deciding how much lift you want, and what tire size you can run.

Im no expert, Im not the guy to tell you all about lifts, im just tryin to get ya started in the right direction
12-03-2011 05:34 PM
Kevbz lets see...

#1 suspension lift lifts your jeep up away from the ground simply put. A body lift lifts the body of the jeep off the frame. Suspension lifts give you ground clearance, body lifts give you clearance for tires (and helps keep the body from damage on rocks that my "get in your way", mainly around the rear corners and the rockers area (under the doors)

#2 a suspension kit will come with shocks and a bunch of linkages that are longer to acheive the lift, most kits are complete with everything you need. Some are simple with shocks and coils that are longer, some totally redesign the underside of your jeep. and your wallet!

#3 on ave the size of your lift and the size of your tires go hand and hand. a 6" lift and 30" tires looks funny, it can be done, but funny. at the other end of the equation a 2" lift and 37" tire just wont work. rough ball park figure is getting tires 4" bigger, get a 4" lift ect. I may get flamed for not getting into detail about this but for conversation purposes its a good start (original tire are say 29", so go to a 33" tire, get a 4" lift.) now there are ways to use a suspension + a body lift to achieve what look you want. Find pictures of jeeps on here and ask what they are running...if the terms they use are confusing, ask, theres alot of short hand and nicknames for things!

#4 again their is alot of room to wiggle. you can put tires ranging from 8" up to 12.5 wide on 8" rims, if the jeep rims fit get the measurements and ask specifics on here or a tire shop, best way to put it with out talking hours and hours about it.

#5 depends on the maker of the rim, stock, probably not. large aftermarket company, maybe

#6 Chrome wheel cleaner and alot of soft brushes and elbow grease

#7 pretty much, if you cant afford tires every 15,000 miles (big tires get big expensive) I'd say stay in something of a extreme A/T (all terrain) tire to a mild M/T (mud terrain), street tires dont cut it off road and mudders dont cut it on road...m/t and a/t cover the guy who will use the jeep for both

#8 most are shop stuff if you have to ask...lol. Some simple lifts kit are easy to do, but some require you to really know your stuff, and usually there is some kind of tire alignment to get the lifts geometry right. toe in/out, camber, pinion angle...if these word make you say "huh?" a shop should do it. tires of course need to be mounted with the right equipment....but hey, you can scrub those wheels!

hope it helped, you have alot of questions and i didnt scratch the surface as to what it entails, start reading around and you'll start to see what is what!

good luck
12-03-2011 04:05 PM
luckyAD80
Need some good info please!

Okay, so I have a stock 2000 TJ that I just took trailing. I want to add a lift, bigger tires, etc.. but I don't even know where to start looking up information. So, I have the following questions because everyone here is extremely helpful and knowledgeable. Thanks so much guys.

1. What is the difference between a body lift and a suspension lift? Does a suspension lift kit give your body lift too?

2. Will I need to buy new shocks, like skyjackers, or something?

3. I want bigger tires, but don't know what to go with in terms of width, height, and thickness. What sizes work with what lift kit?

4. I have some wheels not on my jeep currently that I want to use with these bigger tires... how do I make sure they'll fit.. or do I not even need to worry about this?

5. Can you replace the center part of wheels with a different hub?

6. What's the best way to clean the really bad rusted parts on chrome wheels?

7. What kind of tread do I want for the tires, if I really want to go offroading a lot but in reality won't be able to go as much as I want? However I will definitely want to do some more extreme stuff if I can get a bigger lift kit and suspension lift. It will be my DD so maybe some tires in between?

8. How much of this can I do myself without going to a shop?

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