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03-19-2014 09:45 AM
planman
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Originally Posted by Beaches. View Post
that was really good for a laugh and thank you. now iv been told, and also through alot of research, it seems the pro crawlers and offroad enthusiasts seem to be gearing towards using Autos nowadays, so it makes me wonder and question this because wouldnt it be alot f****** harder to go up or down something while concentrating about your surroundings and what your crawling....that there would be to much going on with using stick..EVEN tho your getting more out of your vehicle(supposedly) so wouldn't this make it better to crawl with auto and offroad with auto...just less to have to manage while grippin rock and traversing hard roads ? let me know if im wrong. still like your post tho!!
If you are running a low enough crawl ratio, you have much more control with a stick.

My 07 manual has 5.38s and the Rubi 4:1, with the stock 4.46:1 first gear. I have much more control, plus better engine braking, for technical stuff than with my wife's automatic 08 Rubi and 5.38s.

Our Suzuki buggy is a manual, with dual transfer cases and 5.89 gears. It does amazing off road.

People who race gravitate to automatics for racing.

For recreational wheelers, automatics can become boring and done have the same engine braking and control as a stick.
03-19-2014 09:28 AM
Beaches.
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Originally Posted by houstonpdlt View Post
My Dad always said:

1. Women that sweat a lot are good cooks
1. Real Jeeps have 2 doors and a stick

just sayin.........

that was really good for a laugh and thank you.

now iv been told, and also through alot of research,
it seems the pro crawlers and offroad enthusiasts seem to be gearing towards using Autos nowadays,


so it makes me wonder and question this because wouldnt it be alot f****** harder to go up or down something while concentrating about your surroundings and what your crawling....that there would be to much going on with using stick..EVEN tho your getting more out of your vehicle(supposedly)
so wouldn't this make it better to crawl with auto and offroad with auto...just less to have to manage while grippin rock and traversing hard roads ?

let me know if im wrong.
still like your post tho!!
03-18-2014 07:49 AM
Salt Shaker I've always considered part of the wheeling experience was learning gear selection. I started in my teens in Dad's FJ 40 in the west Texas desert sand and rocks. Now at almost 50 and having 5 box broncos and 2 Jeeps (CJ 5, TJ) the advancement made in today's automatics just makes sense especially if you are looking at a lifetime warranty.

That being said, I couldn't do it. It didn't feel right running a short wheelbase and not picking through the gears. I know the offroad advantages the autos offer.

I could probably get used to it. I am running an auto in my 3500 cummins but that is for my wife and the ease of boat launching.
03-18-2014 07:00 AM
RCMurray First Jeep and got the 6MT, didn't even consider the AT even with DC traffic. I have to say the learning curve was a little different on the Jeep but after 3 months and 1800 miles my shifts are smooth as could be.

I never have and most likely never will do any real rock crawling though, if I planned on it I might have given the AT a shot.
03-17-2014 11:04 PM
panthermark
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Originally Posted by planman View Post
It should take a long time for the pad to wear out.

The primary problem with JKs has been either a poor adjustment from the factory or the cable stretching a little.

You should be able to completely lock up the rear with the e-brake. You don't want your transmission holding your rig on steep hills.
Chm-chim7 explained it really well in one of the other threads.

Yes, the brakes are poorly adjusted from the factory, but the issue with the pads is glazing, not wear. Once they are glazed, you have to swap them....and it is really easy to glaze the pads by either driving on time with your parking brake up, or adjusting them incorrectly (too much drag and you glaze the pads).
03-17-2014 10:26 PM
planman
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Originally Posted by panthermark View Post
That is for adjusting the parking brake, not replacing the pad for the drum on the parking brake. Your front and rears are obviously disc brakes, but your parking brake is a different system and is a drum brake on the back of your rotor.
It should take a long time for the pad to wear out.

The primary problem with JKs has been either a poor adjustment from the factory or the cable stretching a little.

You should be able to completely lock up the rear with the e-brake. You don't want your transmission holding your rig on steep hills.
03-17-2014 09:42 PM
panthermark
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Originally Posted by planman View Post
So easy, even my 15 year old daughter could do it:

Project-JK.com - Jeep JK Wrangler Resource ┬╗ Jeep JK Wrangler Maintenance Emergency/Parking Hand Brake Adjustment

You don't pull the axle shafts.
That is for adjusting the parking brake, not replacing the pad for the drum on the parking brake.

Your front and rears are obviously disc brakes, but your parking brake is a different system and is a drum brake on the back of your rotor.
03-17-2014 09:23 PM
planman So easy, even my 15 year old daughter could do it:

http://project-jk.com/jeep-jk-write-...ake-adjustment

You don't pull the axle shafts.
03-17-2014 08:51 PM
HOV
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Originally Posted by tenorman View Post
I'm a new Jeeper but one of my reasons for getting the Wrangler was to scratch some of the itch my motorcycle used to...open up the top and feel the wind, to feel more "connected" to the riding/driving experience. I chose the manual for that reason.
Me too. When the kiddies came around, the motos went away. I had been jonesing for an open air driving experience again.

I chose the manual because:

1. I've had way too many quirky ATs. The 48RE in my former Cummins-equipped Ram couldn't decide between 2nd and 3rd gear and it used to drive me nuts. My old reliable AT Camry V6 had the slushiest, most numbing shifts ever. Aside from that awful trans I'd likely still be driving it today.

2. In a truck or utility vehicle, I've decided that mechanical connection between crankshaft, gears, and wheels is best for towing. Yea most ATs have some kind of lockup but the computer or valve body decides when it locks up. Too much drive energy lost in the TC for my tastes.

3. In a modern old-school vehicle like the Wrangler, I like a certain amount of "motor, trans, axles" simplicity, something that hearkens back to the origins of the design. I think the Wrangler is one of the few vehicles still in production today that stays close to its roots and a MT I believe is part of that

I drive a long commute every day and find the MT helps me stay focused in otherwise sleep-inducing traffic situations. Also helps keep the in-cabin distractions/temptations down. I like the challenge of trying to get smoother on the clutch even after 20-something years of working one.

I like the 6MT on the jeep. Feels good to shift.
03-17-2014 06:06 PM
panthermark
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Originally Posted by 2013 Moab View Post
Okay, I'll take your word on it but I would defiantly try and finagle them in there before pulling the axles.
On another forum someone stated that they were able to do it without pulling the shafts, but they didn't go into detail and they stated that it would be much easier to pull the shafts. I think the actual repair manual instructs the pulling of the shaft (or so I've heard).

I guess it isn't that hard to pull the axle shaft (I've never done it), but it is just one of those things that I'm not prepared to do in order to change a silly parking brake pad. It "sounds" like a lot of work....and something that I would probably F-up.
03-17-2014 05:52 PM
Greensrogers The wife has a 2011 jkur auto it's fun offroad and she likes it , I have a 2012 jku cod with a mt it's really FUN offroad and she hates driving it it's a win win for me
03-17-2014 03:13 PM
Strokerswild I love manuals. Totally. My '12 Arctic was my 7th manual transmission vehicle. I expected to absolutely love that rig, but I hated the transmission so much it went away after one year. Noisy. As slow to shift as an old grain truck. Jumped out of first and fourth gear. So much backlash in it (or it and the rest of the drivetrain combined) that bridge expansion joints of a certain size would kick off the cruise control at highway speed. This and a series of odd electrical glitches made me decide to dump it and give Jeep/Chrysler one last try.

I ordered up my '13 with the auto and couldn't be happier. The Pentastar and this trans are a sweet combination.
03-17-2014 02:14 PM
2013 Moab Okay, I'll take your word on it but I would defiantly try and finagle them in there before pulling the axles.
03-17-2014 01:15 PM
panthermark
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Originally Posted by 2013 Moab View Post
You don't pull the axles to change the e-brake shoes, you just pull the rotor/drum and the shoes are exposed.
You can adjust them by pulling the rotors. (There is a nice write up in the tech thread on it http://www.wranglerforum.com/f274/ho...+parking+brake). But to change the pads, you need to pull the axle shafts. There is a thread on how to do that as well somewhere around here, but I can't find it right now.

Edit:
Found it:
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f274/je...ed-164571.html
Yella did a nice write up on it on page 2. He stated you can pull brakes with the shaft on, but you can't get them back on.
03-17-2014 12:22 PM
2013 Moab
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Originally Posted by 2013 Moab View Post
You don't pull the axles to change the e-brake shoes, you just pull the rotor/drum and the shoes are exposed.
And if adjusted correctly they are not weak at all, in my opinion they come from the factory adjusted too loose that is why I tightened them up a little.
03-17-2014 12:19 PM
2013 Moab
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Originally Posted by panthermark View Post
Easy to adjust...but still very weak....and horrible to change. You have to pull the axle.
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I love manuals, my car is a manual...but I wasn't fond of the manual in the JK.

Drive them both....get what makes you happy.
You don't pull the axles to change the e-brake shoes, you just pull the rotor/drum and the shoes are exposed.
03-17-2014 11:20 AM
panthermark
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Originally Posted by planman View Post
The E brake is easy to adjust.

If you park an automatic on a hill, you need to set the tranny in neutral, engage the E brake, and then set the tranny in park. Otherwise, the load will be placed on the tranny, and eventually cause damage.
Easy to adjust...but still very weak....and horrible to change. You have to pull the axle.

That was big for me because at the time I was Wrangler shopping, I was doing the brakes on my Integra. (It turned out to be quite easy on the Integra as you basically reset the parking brake when you change the rear pad.).

Quote:
Originally Posted by houstonpdlt View Post
My Dad always said:

1. Women that sweat a lot are good cooks
2. Real Jeeps have 2 doors and a stick

just sayin.........
Well, it is a good thing your dad is not in charge of Wrangler sales or they would be out of business. 4 door autos dominate the sales.
---------------

I love manuals, my car is a manual...but I wasn't fond of the manual in the JK.

Drive them both....get what makes you happy.
03-17-2014 10:39 AM
houstonpdlt My Dad always said:

1. Women that sweat a lot are good cooks
1. Real Jeeps have 2 doors and a stick

just sayin.........
03-17-2014 09:45 AM
planman
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Originally Posted by Deuce88 View Post
I just traded a 2011 JK Sport manual for a 2014 JK Sahara auto and couldn't be happier. One difference I like is the emergency brake on the JK is not that good and I feel secure that when my auto is in park it isn't going anywhere on its' own.
The E brake is easy to adjust.

If you park an automatic on a hill, you need to set the tranny in neutral, engage the E brake, and then set the tranny in park. Otherwise, the load will be placed on the tranny, and eventually cause damage.
03-17-2014 09:28 AM
Deuce88 I just traded a 2011 JK Sport manual for a 2014 JK Sahara auto and couldn't be happier.
One difference I like is the emergency brake on the JK is not that good and I feel secure that when my auto is in park it isn't going anywhere on its' own.
03-17-2014 09:16 AM
2013 Moab
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Originally Posted by Antonio_jku View Post
Also it doesn't matter if you have a manual or auto for off-roading because if you put it in 4-lo you are clutch free. It becomes an automatic basically
One thing you do NOT want to do is depress the clutch in a mud hole, if you do than you get mud and grit between the flywheel and clutch disk, certain recipee for clutch failure. Other than that choose the correct gear to be in before attempting an obsticle.
03-17-2014 09:11 AM
2013 Moab
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Originally Posted by Beaches. View Post
to tell you the truth this will be my first ride,
but my mum swears by having a modded shifter and clutch.

does that mean anything ?
Well then by all means always do what your mum says and get a stick, manual fan here.
03-17-2014 09:10 AM
Antonio_jku Also it doesn't matter if you have a manual or auto for off-roading because if you put it in 4-lo you are clutch free. It becomes an automatic basically
03-17-2014 09:07 AM
Antonio_jku Before we start anything like CAI or oil threads, I have a manual so obviously I'm gonna say manual. Know right off the bat, manuals are cheaper from factory and long term use. Manual is also safer in my opinion because it keeps you focused and not Fallon asleep. The reason I got a manual is because if jeep is one of the only vehicles these days that offer manuals, wht not go for it. know if you live in the city and you have lots of traffic and stop go stop go, then an automatic would be better suited for you. Good luck
03-17-2014 07:27 AM
Beaches. to tell you the truth this will be my first ride,
but my mum swears by having a modded shifter and clutch.

does that mean anything ?
03-17-2014 07:16 AM
panthermark
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Originally Posted by Beaches. View Post
Hey so im new,
iv read all 3 pages of this topic and still there is no legit evidence pointing towards one being better than the other....

and this worrys me because im going to be a new jeep owner in the next year and a half(saving up) and i plan on treating my 4d ruby to the great outdoors and doing some rock crawling and mudding with her,
but,
you guys have me bouncing back and fourth.
AUTO GOOD MANUAL BAD----MANUAL GOOD AUTO BAD.
i cant get a fix on whats better so if someone could simplify this and give me 5 reasons why auto is good and manual is good and 5 reasons why auto is bad and manual is bad.
that way i can make the best out of this confusing thread !! :3

all i want to make sure of is that my jeep will do me well and ill enjoy it...
cuz i sure as hell dont want to be felling shitty when driving it off road or not!!!!!
It is a personal choice. Get whatever makes you happy.
03-17-2014 06:05 AM
Beaches. Hey so im new,
iv read all 3 pages of this topic and still there is no legit evidence pointing towards one being better than the other....

and this worrys me because im going to be a new jeep owner in the next year and a half(saving up) and i plan on treating my 4d ruby to the great outdoors and doing some rock crawling and mudding with her,
but,
you guys have me bouncing back and fourth.
AUTO GOOD MANUAL BAD----MANUAL GOOD AUTO BAD.
i cant get a fix on whats better so if someone could simplify this and give me 5 reasons why auto is good and manual is good and 5 reasons why auto is bad and manual is bad.
that way i can make the best out of this confusing thread !! :3

all i want to make sure of is that my jeep will do me well and ill enjoy it...
cuz i sure as hell dont want to be felling shitty when driving it off road or not!!!!!
07-29-2013 07:59 PM
rubicon rogue You can drive your manual with half the oil leaking out. Auto doesn't do so well.
12-11-2011 06:28 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by ztrain9

Said the mall crawler!!


Agree though
12-11-2011 06:15 PM
ztrain9
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Originally Posted by funfactor View Post
Automatics are for soccer moms
Said the mall crawler!!
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