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12-13-2011 09:58 PM
Yella
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Originally Posted by daggo66 View Post
This whole painted wheel thing has ruined my day.
Finally someone on this thread I can feel bad for.
12-13-2011 01:04 PM
gluestick
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Originally Posted by El Gringo View Post
Bedline.
+1
12-13-2011 12:35 PM
El Gringo
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Originally Posted by daggo66
This whole painted wheel thing has ruined my day.
Bedline.
12-13-2011 12:09 PM
kbwwolf
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Originally Posted by rics1997 View Post
I try to get mine undercoated as often as possible.

Does mud make a good undercoat?
Mud works best, IMO.
12-13-2011 11:12 AM
Bappy56
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Originally Posted by RedRubi2012 View Post
The interface between the inner-C and the axle tube is further outboard than where these gouges exist so I highly doubt that a failed weld would affect that part of the tube but its a good thought. I might expect to see paint flaking off at the seam of where the 2 parts seperated if the weld failed but not that far away. Plus there doesn't appear to be any rework of welds or other damage.

So you say that you only see one damaged area common to both front and rear axle tubes?
I only crawled under the front because it was raining. But I didn't mean it failed and separated, I meant just a real crappy job on it and looks bad. But you said it was more on the inside of the axle? I'll look on it again and but harder this time.
12-13-2011 09:11 AM
daggo66 2012's are painted. They look a little different than the Sport paint. Seems a little more gray to me. I am not happy right now. I may have to pay to have them switched over to my current machined wheels.
12-13-2011 09:05 AM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by daggo66

They changed! I was so happy that I got these with practically no miles that I never noticed.
So the 2012's are painted as well?

That's to bad

The machined do look so much better.
12-13-2011 09:00 AM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
I thought the rubi 17's were machined, whereas the sport 17's are painted?

If they changed that I don't know.

People don't know this
They changed! I was so happy that I got these with practically no miles that I never noticed.
12-13-2011 08:49 AM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by daggo66

Very interesting. I have a 2009 with Rubicon wheels and tires from a 2008. The wheels have a different finish. They are a machined aluminum finish. I have a set from a 2012 to replace them so after reading your post I took a look at them. Sure enough they have a painted finish. They don't look nearly as good IMO and now I'm in a quandry.
I thought the rubi 17's were machined, whereas the sport 17's are painted?

If they changed that I don't know.

People don't know this
12-13-2011 08:36 AM
daggo66 This whole painted wheel thing has ruined my day.
12-13-2011 08:20 AM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by sheetsd66 View Post
Haven't messed with my clutch yet, but do Wranglers have an adjustable pushrod to the clutch master cylinder? Sounds like he needs to shorten the pushrod....or maybe put a beer can under the clutch pedal.
The clutch is hydraulic. I don't think there are any adjustments.
12-13-2011 08:18 AM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by OutlawJK View Post
Rubicon wheels are the regular aluminum wheels that have been fogged along the spokes with black paint before the clear coat, that why all 5 of your and everybody else that has a Rubicon wheels have that black overspray.

I crawled under mine before I signed off on it,( I used to work at a dealership so I understand thing happen to new cars) there were non of those other issues on my jeep that you showed. except for the bare drive lines which received a nice coat of paint.
Very interesting. I have a 2009 with Rubicon wheels and tires from a 2008. The wheels have a different finish. They are a machined aluminum finish. I have a set from a 2012 to replace them so after reading your post I took a look at them. Sure enough they have a painted finish. They don't look nearly as good IMO and now I'm in a quandry.
12-13-2011 08:07 AM
Fas550 Legal view: Once you take delivery you are bound by the wording of the warranty.
Philosophical View: When you are laying down in your last hours of life the issues you speak of won't matter: Perhaps the memories you had that would not have occurred without your vehicle will.

Ultimately perhaps you might want to examine how you came to have these expectations. If someone told you and put them in writing you have cause for recourse. If these are expectations are solely from you then perhaps you should move on knowing there is not anything you're going to be able to do but enforce the warranty. Lastly you could take it as a lesson and learn that if you want your expectations to be met, get those expectations confirmed before you actually pay for the item. Everything else is academic and only results on spending time on an infinite hamster wheel.
Respectfully
Frank
12-13-2011 04:52 AM
strider_mt2k I have to agree with the sentiment here:
Get the clutch adjusted -stuff like that happens with new vehicles, and the dealership will handle it because issues like that are routine.
If the dealership applies the touch up paint to the underside, then cool, great, end of story.

IF you ever hit the trail, you will soon find more pressing priorities than the appearance of a couple of scratches on an axle, and hopefully you will gain the needed perspective to relax and truly enjoy your jeep for what it IS, as opposed to what it is not.
12-13-2011 01:16 AM
El Gringo Don't make a zebra out of a horse. Why are you trying to make your Jeep a lemon when it clearly is not. My ranger clutch would do the same thing if pressed that far. Its just reaching the end of its range of movement. The marks on the chassis are obviously common and you shouldn't worry about them. The paint on the wheels is likely a protectant coat for the axles with a little overspray. Just take it out on the trail and enjoy it. Do that a couple times and you wont know which scratches are new and which ones are old. Take a breath and relax man. Call 9-1-1 and ask for some Valium or Ativan for your anxiety.
12-13-2011 12:36 AM
RedRubi2012
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Originally Posted by Bappy56 View Post
I crawled under my 09 JK sahara and it had a part on the that rusted over with paint all around it. I don't know if a rock hit or not but it was almost the EXACT same size, shape, and position as yours (front axle, drivers side, around 4-5 in from the knukle join conneting to the wheel). But I didn't see the overspray on the rim, the gouges, or as severe paint chipping as you. In my opinion though, that gouge might of just been a failed weld, but thats just my opinion, don't know for sure. Racking my brain on what might have caused it. Im sure its what you are suggesting.
The interface between the inner-C and the axle tube is further outboard than where these gouges exist so I highly doubt that a failed weld would affect that part of the tube but its a good thought. I might expect to see paint flaking off at the seam of where the 2 parts seperated if the weld failed but not that far away. Plus there doesn't appear to be any rework of welds or other damage.

So you say that you only see one damaged area common to both front and rear axle tubes?
12-13-2011 12:30 AM
RedRubi2012
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
I would not expect a lot vehicle to be perfect anyways.
The issues I have been describing would be present on a lot vehicle or a special ordered one because all of this happened at the factory before it even left the door. I agree with you that with buying a lot vehicle you can expect scratches in the exterior paint from the high school kids they have washing cars with inferior products, probably some surface rust on undercarriage components from sitting outside, and a powertrain that was not properly broken-in from the test drivers that drove it like they stole it.
12-13-2011 12:18 AM
RedRubi2012
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Originally Posted by carrotzilla View Post
Mine was also a dent and scratch deal. After putting it on jacks, I got rid of the rust (WTF, new vehicle) and primed or plasti-coated what needed covering. Silly for a $30k vehicle but it is bad ass.
I'm just going to make the stealership paint it. Although I am perfectly capable, its just completely rediculous that I should have to touch up paint on a vehicle with 5 miles on the odometer. I wouldn't let them touch it if I was dealing with the exterior paint, but I figure they can't screw up the undercarriage too bad. Besides at this point the purpose is just to prevent further rusting because my desire to get a mint, perfect example has already been crushed. I guess the only thing to do is lower my standards, and get used to the crappy quality that is the norm these days. It still is a Jeep, and if I overlook these issues of paint quality, clutch operation, and mpg's there is still a lot to love about it.
12-13-2011 12:14 AM
Bappy56 I crawled under my 09 JK sahara and it had a part on the that rusted over with paint all around it. I don't know if a rock hit or not but it was almost the EXACT same size, shape, and position as yours (front axle, drivers side, around 4-5 in from the knukle join conneting to the wheel). But I didn't see the overspray on the rim, the gouges, or as severe paint chipping as you. In my opinion though, that gouge might of just been a failed weld, but thats just my opinion, don't know for sure. Racking my brain on what might have caused it. Im sure its what you are suggesting.
12-13-2011 12:09 AM
rics1997 I try to get mine undercoated as often as possible.

Does mud make a good undercoat?
12-12-2011 11:57 PM
carrotzilla Mine was also a dent and scratch deal. After putting it on jacks, I got rid of the rust (WTF, new vehicle) and primed or plasti-coated what needed covering. Silly for a $30k vehicle but it is bad ass.
12-12-2011 11:01 PM
RedRubi2012
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Originally Posted by Yella View Post
Are you basing your gas mileage on a full tank at delivery? I suspect dealers leave a couple gallons shy of a full tank. Just think how much that could save them in a month.

You sure put a lot of effort in finding things wrong with the... what did someone say, the asscrack side of your jeep. How about the top side or the inside? Could you not find one stinking thing wrong with the purty side to entertain us with.

So you think because the SOP says to tie down your jeep a certain way then that's the way it was tied down? You should look for the SOP that talks about painting the axles and waiting for them to dry. I don't expect the truck driver that hauled your jeep gave a ratsass about whether or not he scratched the axle of that mud bucket when he had to haul it over the Thanksgiving holidays.

What was the look on his face or what was the first thing your salesman said when you brought this to his attention? I'm sure he was professional about it.

You got a Rubi right... Yeah well good luck with it. I'm sure it's just fine. Go get it muddy underneath and stop worrying about it.
Im basing the mileage on filling the tank shortly after delivery with 7 miles on the odometer and then driving 105 miles and refueling. The dealership paid for the first tank, but I drove it over there with the salesman and he actually operated the pump so I dont know 100% where he stopped it. Based on this, what I measured for the first 105 miles of usage was 13.9 mpg and although it wasn't straight up city driving there were alot of stops, a decent amount of idling at stop lights, and constant (but gradual) RPM variation in the 35-45mph range. I refueled at a shell station the last time which actually gave me 2 mpg better fuel economy than the cheap convenience store gas in my old vehicle, so I will see if that has any difference on the numbers.

What kind of mileage is everyone else seeing for mixed driving conditions?
12-12-2011 10:55 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by RedRubi2012

I more dissappointed me than anything
I would not expect a lot vehicle to be perfect anyways.
12-12-2011 10:49 PM
RedRubi2012
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
Did it surprise you?
It more dissappointed me than anything, but at least I can have some solace in knowing that mine isn't the only one.
12-12-2011 10:45 PM
OlllllO I honestly can't take this thread seriously.

You buy a Rubicon to take it off road and climb things. Why in the world would a manufacturer spend attention to detail in the first place the vehicle will get damaged? Is it me or does anybody else remember the day when the drive axle was never even painted. And yes I am talking about cars too.
12-12-2011 10:30 PM
Yella Are you basing your gas mileage on a full tank at delivery? I suspect dealers leave a couple gallons shy of a full tank. Just think how much that could save them in a month.

You sure put a lot of effort in finding things wrong with the... what did someone say, the asscrack side of your jeep. How about the top side or the inside? Could you not find one stinking thing wrong with the purty side to entertain us with.

So you think because the SOP says to tie down your jeep a certain way then that's the way it was tied down? You should look for the SOP that talks about painting the axles and waiting for them to dry. I don't expect the truck driver that hauled your jeep gave a ratsass about whether or not he scratched the axle of that mud bucket when he had to haul it over the Thanksgiving holidays.

What was the look on his face or what was the first thing your salesman said when you brought this to his attention? I'm sure he was professional about it.

You got a Rubi right... Yeah well good luck with it. I'm sure it's just fine. Go get it muddy underneath and stop worrying about it.
12-12-2011 09:52 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by RedRubi2012

Thanks for the explanation on the rims...that seems to make sense since it does appear that this overspray is underneath the clear.

I went to a different dealership today to have a look at a few more 2012 Wranglers and inspect for these conditions. I looked at 5 Wranglers, 2 were Rubicons, 2 were X's, and one was a Sahara and all of them had the same gouges on the axles, missing or incomplete paint on the front axle steering components, and scuffs on the body and frame in most of the same places as mine. It seems to me after seeing this that if you don't have these marks you got one of the few nice ones. What is the build date on your Wrangler?
Did it surprise you?
12-12-2011 09:52 PM
RedRubi2012
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Originally Posted by sheetsd66 View Post
Haven't messed with my clutch yet, but do Wranglers have an adjustable pushrod to the clutch master cylinder? Sounds like he needs to shorten the pushrod....or maybe put a beer can under the clutch pedal.
Not sure about adjustability but there is a definate issue. I started up another Rubicon with manual trans. at the dealership today to test for this condition and this other Jeep did not exhibit the problem.

The best way I can expain it is that it sounds just like a "rattlesnake tail" when the clutch is depressed either in neutral or in gear when the vehicle is not moving.
12-12-2011 09:47 PM
RedRubi2012
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Originally Posted by OutlawJK View Post
Rubicon wheels are the regular aluminum wheels that have been fogged along the spokes with black paint before the clear coat, that why all 5 of your and everybody else that has a Rubicon wheels have that black overspray.

I crawled under mine before I signed off on it,( I used to work at a dealership so I understand thing happen to new cars) there were non of those other issues on my jeep that you showed. except for the bare drive lines which received a nice coat of paint.
Thanks for the explanation on the rims...that seems to make sense since it does appear that this overspray is underneath the clear.

I went to a different dealership today to have a look at a few more 2012 Wranglers and inspect for these conditions. I looked at 5 Wranglers, 2 were Rubicons, 2 were X's, and one was a Sahara and all of them had the same gouges on the axles, missing or incomplete paint on the front axle steering components, and scuffs on the body and frame in most of the same places as mine. It seems to me after seeing this that if you don't have these marks you got one of the few nice ones. What is the build date on your Wrangler?
12-12-2011 08:56 PM
mikekeeper Geez it looked like my tires had been driven at least 10 miles before I bought my Wrangler. Didn't they carry it so there wouldn't be any dirt on the tires when I picked it up? The clutch may be a legitimate issue but it would be under warranty. Don't take it back - it just drives up the cost for all of the rest of us. Returning a vehicle is for real lemon issues not unrealistic expectations. Go crawl under ten Mercedes AMG cars and see if there are any scratches.
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