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12-21-2011 03:43 PM
kbwwolf
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Originally Posted by saucemc View Post
Sorry for the confusion. To clarify, the resale value I am concerned with is NOT what I can sell it for later. Rather, how much will the jeep depreciate in the first year of ownership and affect what the dealer can resell it to me for? It seems like most new or slightly used 11's aren't really selling for much less than a similarly equipped new 12. Is this a misperception, or possibly an aberration? Or do they really hold their value that well out the gate?
Problem with the resale value of the '11's:

1. As you said, I'm settled on the 2012 (new engine, better gas mileage, towing jet skis).

Here's a link that may help you...read post # 4:KBB finally posted 2011 trade in values and...
12-21-2011 01:24 AM
suicideking
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Originally Posted by Orngcrate View Post
Jeeps are probably one of the least incentivized vehicles out there because they are one of the only vehicles that consistently sells their entire production in the same model year. You are not likely to see any real discount. By example look at the current '11 incentive is only $500 and cheap financing and good lunch finding one with things you want.
GET IT NOW! Why wait?

I bought my 2012 JKU Sport in October. There were still plenty of 2011's left, but as mentioned, the deals weren't that good for them. Plus, they were offering better financing on the 2012.

Bottom line: get whatever you can afford. Sure, I'd love to have a Rubicon, but the Sport I ended up with was already exceeding my intended budget. If you don't plan to do much off roading, the Sport or Sahara should be your top picks.
12-21-2011 12:35 AM
Orngcrate
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Originally Posted by saucemc
Sorry for the confusion. To clarify, the resale value I am concerned with is NOT what I can sell it for later. Rather, how much will the jeep depreciate in the first year of ownership and affect what the dealer can resell it to me for? It seems like most new or slightly used 11's aren't really selling for much less than a similarly equipped new 12. Is this a misperception, or possibly an aberration? Or do they really hold their value that well out the gate?
Jeeps are probably one of the least incentivized vehicles out there because they are one of the only vehicles that consistently sells their entire production in the same model year. You are not likely to see any real discount. By example look at the current '11 incentive is only $500 and cheap financing and good lunch finding one with things you want.

I just got my JKU after having the dealer search for over a month and I still had to settle, so I should have actually ordered it, but I had an old trade that they were willing to give me over kbb and I wasn't sure it would last until delivery date. As another indicator I was able to get employee pricing and it only knocks about $3k off the sticker. Buy now, enjoy now and you might be able to get some wiggle on the price so they can meet their year end numbers.
12-20-2011 11:49 PM
saucemc Sorry for the confusion. To clarify, the resale value I am concerned with is NOT what I can sell it for later. Rather, how much will the jeep depreciate in the first year of ownership and affect what the dealer can resell it to me for? It seems like most new or slightly used 11's aren't really selling for much less than a similarly equipped new 12. Is this a misperception, or possibly an aberration? Or do they really hold their value that well out the gate?
12-20-2011 11:16 PM
kbwwolf
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Originally Posted by rics1997 View Post
S Sport here and have no remorse. The money I saved, i used to build it my way and love it.

^^^^ This. Can't be put any simpler.

Unless you plan on doing fairly significant wheeling – which you've already said you probably won't do – you don't need the Rubicon. And, regardless of the model, all Jeeps wheel well completely stock.

You said: I'm looking to buy a JKU Sport, won't really be off roading it (but will be living in San Diego so need that top off!!). No plans to rock crawl, but occasional backpacking, snowboarding, etc. trips. I'm settled on the 2012 (new engine, better gas mileage, towing jet skis). What I'm concerned with is purchase price and resale value.

The rubi will hold it's value better, but with an S, as Rick indicated, you'll be able to build your Jeep the way you want it. Pretty much a trade off, IMO.

If resale value is of paramount importance to you, buy the Rubicon. However, you also stated that purchase price was a concern. So buy the S.

Hmm. You don't wanna share your cake, do you?

Let me put it this way...if you want a Jeep that you can build to your specifications, to do what YOU wanna do with it, and can live with a lesser resale value, buy the S.
12-20-2011 10:45 PM
JPi1
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Originally Posted by rics1997
S Sport here and have no remorse. The money I saved, i used to build it my way and love it.
About $100 a month on a 60 month loan is cheap for all the extras on the Rubi! You only live once! Treat yourself to the best!
12-20-2011 10:34 PM
Jeep1Dennis Get the 12 when you can. Got my Sport S at end of Sept and am lovin it. Could I have saved a few bucks if I waited, maybe. But if I waited I would not be driving my jeep now! I am glad I did not wait. Supplier discount, like tread lightly gave me a good deal. Sport does everything I need it to do....
12-20-2011 10:28 PM
saucemc First, I'm glad this has become a very active thread, lots of great thoughts and perspectives!

Second, it seems natural to assume the majority of Jeep owners who are likely to utilize a Wrangler forum are those interested in modifications, and therefore also in off-roading. Reasonable demographic observation that explains the heavy Rubi favoritism. Not a bad thing.

Third, I definitely think the comments about appeal of off roading once tried are legitimate, I just need to try a bit and see if it's my cup o tea.

Lastly, for those who have traded in relatively new jku or bought slightly used, can you get a much better deal than what 1% off plus haggling gets me??
12-20-2011 10:19 PM
rics1997 S Sport here and have no remorse. The money I saved, i used to build it my way and love it.
12-20-2011 10:10 PM
New2012JEEP Seems to be a lot of Rubicon snobbery going on, even after someone says no serious off roading will be done! I got the sport and love it, has u connect, tow, pentastar, etc... I didn't really consider the others cause way too expensive, any 2012 Jeep is a beast, a very capable beast.
12-20-2011 09:52 PM
tony81 [QUOTE=kbwwolf;1844986] If you qualify for USAA (insurance for military and immediate family), you can use their vehicle-buying service and save an even bigger pile.

Sadly, the USAA car buying service does not offer the 2012 JKU Rubicon which is what I want

Hpwever, you can get a smokin' deal on a 2012 Rubicon 2dr well equiped!
12-20-2011 08:50 PM
JPi1 I don't think you can compare a Sahara to a rubi, totally different vehicles. We just ran a trail in johnson valley called "Bullfrog" where there were two saharas in the mix of several rubis. Halfway through the trail, the saharas bailed out, ripped off or gouged fenders, damage to the running boards, or whatever those steps are called, undercarriage damage, and disappointed and pissed off owners. They failed miserably! The group had to wait for them to get thru sections several times. I'm on my 6th jeep and second rubi, and no regrets at all. And I do drive mine daily, and take it on vacations hundreds of miles away. Buy the rubi and don't look back.
12-20-2011 08:26 PM
CPTI
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
Is this Rubi remorse you speak of? Seen it a few times.

The opposite NEVER
I bought the JKU Sport with the S package and a few other upgrades ( hard top, stereo, uconnect, tow package) and came in at 27,250. Best deal I could get on a hard top Rubi was around 33,500. I wanted a Rubi, but I didn't want it bad enough to put 6K on it.

I ended up spending 1.7K on a budget boost and 33x12.5s on MB72s bringing me up to about 29K total: still 4.5K less than the Rubi. Do I wish I had a Rubi? Yes. Am I happy with my decision? Yes. Will I feel the same two years from now? I'm not sure, but I should be ready to trade it on on a diesel by then
12-20-2011 08:25 PM
Bappy56
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Originally Posted by saucemc View Post
So what would be the best way to start trying out off roading to help inform the sport vs Sahara vs rubi decision?

How often do you run into people who buy sport and regret it later? What about the opposite, bought rubi and ended up not really using those capabilities?
If you do decide to do serious off-roading, do the Rubi, if light to medium off-roading, go with the Sahara. But the Sahara does do some serious off-roading, like I said, ours did do a really difficult trail with no mods and the sway bar engaged. I think how The Body Shop it got its name is because people were idiots and didn't have a spotter and took the wrong path and they didn't understand how to choose thier line or took a path that was out of thier vehicles capabilities. To start out off-roading, find a friend with a Jeep or get a Sahara, because its a great all-around vehicle and can eventualy get all the features a Rubi has, and ask some one on this forum in the Califonia Region Forum that is willing to show you the ropes. After that set-up a date and time and have a good time!

Back to your Q, I've met 1 that regrets getting the Sport but it was the only Jeep within his Budget, none that don't use the Rubi's capabilities, and the Sahara is a GREAT all-around Jeep and we have no regrets what-so-ever.
12-20-2011 08:08 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by saucemc
So what would be the best way to start trying out off roading to help inform the sport vs Sahara vs rubi decision?

How often do you run into people who buy sport and regret it later? What about the opposite, bought rubi and ended up not really using those capabilities?
Is this Rubi remorse you speak of? Seen it a few times.

The opposite NEVER
12-20-2011 07:40 PM
saucemc So what would be the best way to start trying out off roading to help inform the sport vs Sahara vs rubi decision?

How often do you run into people who buy sport and regret it later? What about the opposite, bought rubi and ended up not really using those capabilities?
12-20-2011 06:30 PM
mjf232 Now, and give yourself a Merry Christmas!
12-20-2011 05:59 PM
Bappy56
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Originally Posted by saucemc View Post
Sahara seems to only improve comfort features that I don't need, and rubi seems like too much since I've never done remotely serious off reading, nor know if I'll have the time. But I absolutely appreciate the thoughts! I'm in Cincinnati, Ohio now, moving summer 2012.

I get a 1% off invoice through work (which is awesome). I don't NEED the jeep now (have a paid off 04 Corolla) so that's why I'm going back and forth on when to jump. Wouldn't mind saving a thousand or two buying new 12 when the 13's are coming out.
Trust me, if you go online and look up some trails, you'll want to try some off-roading. At first we though we wouldn't do serious off-roading, now we want a lift kit, High-lift jack, and numerous other mods and features for ours. Even if you try a simple trail you'll probaly want to do more. Check out our Jeep after our latest trip to Rio Puerco, NM.
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The first one is an over-all pic of the Jeep, the second is of a scratch we got from The Body Shop in Rio Puerco on the FL Fender, third is a scratch from the same source on the BL Fender and a little scratch on the siderail.
This is a 09' JKU Sahara.
12-20-2011 05:59 PM
Dan Lefoot
Go for it

Don't wait another day. You never know when........ you know the rest.
We just bought a 2012 Wrangler Sport Unlimited from Bob Baker Jeep in Carlsbad over the weekend. About $900 under invoice and the $500 military rebate. 0 down and 0% for 36 months.
Good luck.
Dan
12-20-2011 05:40 PM
kbwwolf Tread Lightly will give you another 1% off. If you qualify for USAA (insurance for military and immediate family), you can use their vehicle-buying service and save an even bigger pile.

No need to wait for summer, unless you want to.
12-20-2011 05:38 PM
saucemc
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Originally Posted by seanpholman
Now and make sure you get the limited slip.

--Sean
Why on the LSD? I haven't put too much research into the differences with or without.
12-20-2011 05:36 PM
saucemc Sahara seems to only improve comfort features that I don't need, and rubi seems like too much since I've never done remotely serious off reading, nor know if I'll have the time. But I absolutely appreciate the thoughts! I'm in Cincinnati, Ohio now, moving summer 2012.

I get a 1% off invoice through work (which is awesome). I don't NEED the jeep now (have a paid off 04 Corolla) so that's why I'm going back and forth on when to jump. Wouldn't mind saving a thousand or two buying new 12 when the 13's are coming out.
12-20-2011 05:28 PM
seanpholman Now and make sure you get the limited slip.

--Sean
12-20-2011 05:23 PM
Bappy56 Now, but get the Rubicon or Sahara because it will do things that will blow your mind. Jeeps are versitle little suckers but they are tough old birds. To find trails in your area (if you decide to go 4wheeling) goto the California forum. Jeeping is a blast and you might enjoy it, the jeep community is lage and still growing. Almost everyone is really nice and help with all your problems as well as not force you past your comfort levels. But I'm just trying to help you with choosing what to do, as well as trying to get you to help our little "sport-hobby" community grow. Whatever you do though, if you see another jeep pass you remeber to wave at them, if they don't wave back, they're either jerks, or didn't see you.
12-20-2011 05:00 PM
OutlawJK Join tread lightly and use the discount
12-20-2011 04:46 PM
kjeeper10 Now
12-20-2011 03:41 PM
saucemc
2012 JKU now or wait?? (if I can!)

Hello All!

I have been following this forum for some time, preparing for purchasing my first ever Jeep!

Here is my dillema: I won't go into all the reasons, but I'm looking to buy a JKU Sport, won't really be off roading it (but will be living in San Diego so need that top off!!). No plans to rock crawl, but occasional backpacking, snowboarding, etc. trips. I'm settled on the 2012 (new engine, better gas mileage, towing jet skis). What I'm concerned with is purchase price and resale value.

Based on your experience with past model years, how much could I save by waiting to purchase my 2012 jku new next summer/fall before the 2013's or same time but slightly used? If it's not substantially different, I'll stop the anguish and go find a dealer now. I plan on owning my first jeep for a LOOOONG time.

Thanks in advance!

--Future Jeep Addict (but already showing symptoms)

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