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03-02-2012 05:32 PM
Mariah94 I'm 100% positive it is the death wobble for sure. It is absolutely the scariest thing, not even a YouTube video did me justice...

I am literally arguing with my dad about this right now. He insists that the bolts he used aren't factory and that they are all one piece and that my short arms apparently come apart differently then the "factory" ones...this is all jargon to me. After I align it I'll be trying to find a local "jeep" smart mechanic that can help me out. This is very frustrating. My dad is very one sided with his opinion -_-

Thank you guys, I'm sure I will have many questions especially if I set out to readjust my lift pieces on my own!
03-02-2012 02:58 PM
kbwwolf
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Originally Posted by Mariah94 View Post
Thank you, I showed my dad this and he went on a rant about how the bushings and stuff he used were not factory ones and that it didn't matter where he tightened them there would be no movement...if it still wobbles after alignment I will take the jeep and get some of my strong guy friends to help me accomplish what you have set out. It honestly sounds like that is the problem.
If you really have DW, an alignment will do nothing for you (although, if it's just a bad shimmy, it might help).

And it DOES matter where the trackbar and control arms are tightened, and how. Death Wobble is almost exclusively a product of ignoring the procedure laid out in the thread I gave you the link to.

Not crapping on anybody here. I'm sure you love your dad, and he may mean well, but the longer y'all let the problem go without addressing it properly, the more potential damage it can cause to your Jeep's suspension system.

Even if the alignment appears to fix your problem, you should still loosen all the TB and CA bolts with the Jeep on the ground, shake out the bushings, and torque them back to spec. Or else you will, at some point, develop full-blown Death Wobble.

This isn't my opinion. And it's not only a Jeep thing. Type "Death Wobble" into Google and see for yourself.

Hope it works out for you.
03-02-2012 02:27 PM
Mariah94 Thank you, I showed my dad this and he went on a rant about how the bushings and stuff he used were not factory ones and that it didn't matter where he tightened them there would be no movement...if it still wobbles after alignment I will take the jeep and get some of my strong guy friends to help me accomplish what you have set out. It honestly sounds like that is the problem.
03-02-2012 08:20 AM
kbwwolf
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Originally Posted by Mariah94 View Post
Yepp I got it again today with my mom in the car I'm not aloud to drive it now. My dad is a mechanic and he thinks he's jeep smart but so far he's bought a skyjacker lift, 32's that rub, a skyjacker stabilizer...if the alignment doesn't fix it then I will try and convince him to take a look at it under the lift at his shop. He installed the lift so maybe he can see a mistake he made :/
Did he leave the control arms and trackbars loose till the Jeep was on the ground, THEN tighten everything to the specified torque.

If he tightened those things while the Jeep was in the air, then the bushings are most likely pinched...which is a fairly sure recipe for DW.

If you read the link I gave you above, there's a procedure for installing a lift on a Jeep, very clearly spelled out, that's intended to help people avoid DW.

Loosen all trackbar/control arm bolts. With Jeep on the ground, shake it as much as possible – side to side, front and rear – to get any binding out of the bushings. Then tighten everything to spec. Everything should be tightened to 125 ft-lbs EXCEPT the front upper control arms, which should be tightened to 75 ft-lbs.

Since you've already had some cases of DW (or at least of some bad shaking), you should inspect your Jeep to make sure your trackbar bushings aren't wallowed out, etc. True DW can damage all sorts of stuff under your Jeep.

Good luck!
03-02-2012 07:43 AM
Mariah94
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Originally Posted by Cons_Table

Just as a heads up bud...the steering stabilizer is almost never the issue...its just a band aid. A properly working front end (in theory) doesn't need a steering stabilizer, that is just an aid. You are better off checking your front end for things such as bad ball joints, loose nuts and bolts, worn bushings, etc...this is typically the issue before the stabilizer. Good luck.

Yepp I got it again today with my mom in the car I'm not aloud to drive it now. My dad is a mechanic and he thinks he's jeep smart but so far he's bought a skyjacker lift, 32's that rub, a skyjacker stabilizer...if the alignment doesn't fix it then I will try and convince him to take a look at it under the lift at his shop. He installed the lift so maybe he can see a mistake he made :/
03-02-2012 07:40 AM
Mariah94
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Originally Posted by kbwwolf

As Cons_Table said, a steering stabilizer will NOT fix true DW.

For a better understanding, read this (and watch the video for an understanding of true DW):

Diagnosing Death Wobble and Fixing Non-DW Shimmies and Wobbles
You are so right. I eat my words, got the wobble today. The stabilizer made the ride smooth but I'm still wobbling along... Getting the front end re aligned today, hopefully that will help. Going to read your link now!!
02-24-2012 01:55 PM
GARUBICON Cons Table and Kbwwolf are on the money concerning a steering stabilizer.
02-24-2012 01:40 PM
GARUBICON Sorry to hear that
Some of the Sag may be the weight of Jeep settling into the Coils. Even Progressively wound coils will lose some height after time and weight is applied. I think in 8 months I ve lost maybe .5-1.0 inch. Most of which is Bumpers Winch Tire carrier and gear etc. I do not imagine it loosing anymore.

Death Wobble can be a pain in neck. Some things you want to look into before purchasing a Steering Stabilizer are: Proper Torques on all Suspenion and Steering Components, Inspect Ball Joints, Tie Rod Ends and drag link ends. Also bad alignment and bad steering Geometry can be factors. Most Guys who run 3.5in of lift or better either use a drop pittman arm (which is not the best route) Or a Drag Link flip kit Which is a better way to go VS Drop Pittman Arm. This will ensure that your Drag Link and Track bar are parallel. This will releave bump steer which can add to the Death Wobble feel. A good set up suspension can almost work with out a steering stabilizer. A steering stabilizer is a nice thing to have but is more or less a mask for another problem. I have found that most of the time Death Wobble is from loose components. If you put your jeep in park with the E brake on, lie in front of it have someone turn the steering wheel back and fourth. Look at all of the Steering components watch their mounting locations Check for any movement. The JK is known for lose track bar bolts that can really throw out some serious movement. If everything is tight, tight, tight and aligned you should be good to go. Hope you get it figured out.
02-24-2012 01:30 PM
pkmcd99 Before the market flooded with companies, lets not forget Skyjacker was one of the first.
02-24-2012 01:12 PM
kbwwolf
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Originally Posted by Mariah94 View Post
I received the 4" economy kit as a Christmas present, been running it ever since and I can't complain. The ride is fine...I am currently dealing with a death wobble but we have ordered a stabilizer shock which my dad claims will fix the problem. Don't get me wrong...I love my dad and he knows how to fix a vehicle.. But he says skyjacker is one of the best...trololol. I have done some minor off roading by power lines and had a night of fun in the snow and it's not bad...however the fact that I can see my vehicle starting to sag slightly is very disturbing...maybe it's my mind playing tricks on me but...do your research. I wish my dad had listened to me and visited WF!

As Cons_Table said, a steering stabilizer will NOT fix true DW.

For a better understanding, read this (and watch the video for an understanding of true DW):

Diagnosing Death Wobble and Fixing Non-DW Shimmies and Wobbles
02-24-2012 01:07 PM
Cons_Table
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Originally Posted by Mariah94 View Post
I received the 4" economy kit as a Christmas present, been running it ever since and I can't complain. The ride is fine...I am currently dealing with a death wobble but we have ordered a stabilizer shock which my dad claims will fix the problem. Don't get me wrong...I love my dad and he knows how to fix a vehicle.. But he says skyjacker is one of the best...trololol. I have done some minor off roading by power lines and had a night of fun in the snow and it's not bad...however the fact that I can see my vehicle starting to sag slightly is very disturbing...maybe it's my mind playing tricks on me but...do your research. I wish my dad had listened to me and visited WF!
Just as a heads up bud...the steering stabilizer is almost never the issue...its just a band aid. A properly working front end (in theory) doesn't need a steering stabilizer, that is just an aid. You are better off checking your front end for things such as bad ball joints, loose nuts and bolts, worn bushings, etc...this is typically the issue before the stabilizer. Good luck.

02-24-2012 12:39 PM
Mariah94 I received the 4" economy kit as a Christmas present, been running it ever since and I can't complain. The ride is fine...I am currently dealing with a death wobble but we have ordered a stabilizer shock which my dad claims will fix the problem. Don't get me wrong...I love my dad and he knows how to fix a vehicle.. But he says skyjacker is one of the best...trololol. I have done some minor off roading by power lines and had a night of fun in the snow and it's not bad...however the fact that I can see my vehicle starting to sag slightly is very disturbing...maybe it's my mind playing tricks on me but...do your research. I wish my dad had listened to me and visited WF!
02-24-2012 11:13 AM
GARUBICON
Skyjacker is a decent kit

First of all there is a lot of bandwagon advice out there concerning products.
I enjoy my 6inch Long Arm Kit and would recommend a Skyjacker lift to anyone else.
Skyjacker was one of the first companies to have a lift out the door for the JK's. Early on there was an issue with the track bar bracket extensions breaking the factory mounts off at the weld . Too much leverage applied to weak factory mounting points at full flex. In my eyes gave a heads up to other companies. Skyjacker now provides a brace in the kit that mounts to the differential housing over to the track bar bracket. Problem solved. There are other brackets and braces that you can use if you do not like Skyjackers fix. I use a Poly Performance Bracket now due to a running a PR44 housing with a PP bracket pre installed. Most other manufactors that raise the track bar axle mounting point have some sort beefed up bracket or mount. The Idea is by raising this point you have a better, closer to stock roll center. Rather than dropping down from the frame like others. As far as bushings, I have had no problems. Skyjacker now provides Rubber Body bushings which are similar to factory bushings vs Poly Bushings. For those of us who own Skyjacker Lifts, from what I understand you can upgrade your Poly Bushing to the new Rubber Body bushings if you feel the need. Most people that run into Bushing issues, do not have control arms set to propper length thus putting extra load on the joints. This has not only been a Skyjacker problem. Skyjacker also has great customer support and are willing to help you out with any issue or question you have.
I installed it in roughly 12 Hrs sitting on Jackstands and have put the lift thru the mill and it has held up outstanding. I have even had a Wheel come off, on the way home from a tire shop who balanced my tires and performed an alignment. I didnt even get home to go over the work they had done. 75 MPH watching a 37in KM2 roll past your jeep is a crazy feeling. When the Rotor hit the dirt of the median the Control arms took all of the weight and impact force of the Jeep. All lift components were intact not one blown bushing etc. Yes, There are other great kits out there. Just feel the need to kill some of the negative bandwagon attention Skyjacker has these days.
My Jeep rides extremely well and wheels awesome off road.
01-02-2012 12:28 PM
eton I have a 3in skyjacker 60K miles, good amount of off roading - no problems. It didn't cost 2.2K though!
12-31-2011 07:20 PM
locked Seanpholman is right, shocks are everything! Have 6" Skyjacker on my ride for years and its held up flawlessly, I run 4.88's and 35's so ya know Ive been playing with mine. If installed correctly, the skyjacker is just fine. GREASE your fittings!!

-Happy Jeepin'!
12-23-2011 04:14 PM
Lithium Lotus I would take a look at Rock Krawler kits. They are located north of you in Albany. You can get an excellent 3.5" kit for less then what you paid for the Skyjacker kit. And I have never heard of any complaints about RK kits.
12-22-2011 08:54 PM
seanpholman Wow, a lot of Skyjacker hate on here. I think someone should defend them since they aren't here to do it themselves.

I know the family that runs Skyjacker, personally and they are good people. Customer service is very good and the kits are nice entry level and moderate level kits. It all boils down to what your needs and intended purpose is, but I have seen the Skyjacker long arm work on the trail in some hardcore terrain with the the owner Lonnie driving the company JKU and I can tell you I was impressed. It held up to some repeated massive air in the Idaho Dunes and had no problem going places the $5,000+ kits were going.

The key if you decide to go with Skyjacker is to get the best shocks they offer.

--Sean
12-22-2011 08:50 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by kbwwolf

Troublemaker...
Private joke lol
12-22-2011 08:48 PM
nycdude777
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Originally Posted by kbwwolf View Post
There's a word for that, IMO. And that word is moron.

Lucky for him (or her) someone was there to take the photo, and pull his dumb ass out.

LOL, yep, that was pretty dumb
12-22-2011 08:25 PM
kbwwolf
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Originally Posted by gluestick View Post
Nice jeep and nice pic. See Ken, it's not "murdered out".
Troublemaker...
12-22-2011 08:23 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by nycdude777
Now now, I said I want it to look mean, but I want it to look mean when I do this!

And then I want it to look mean when I park near my building too!
And for the save

Actually Jeep looks stuck/abandoned
12-22-2011 08:22 PM
kbwwolf
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Originally Posted by nycdude777 View Post
Now now, I said I want it to look mean, but I want it to look mean when I do this!

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And then I want it to look mean when I park near my building too!
There's a word for that, IMO. And that word is moron.

Lucky for him (or her) someone was there to take the photo, and pull his dumb ass out.
12-22-2011 08:21 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by gluestick

Nice jeep and nice pic. See Ken, it's not "murdered out".
haha
12-22-2011 08:16 PM
kbwwolf
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Originally Posted by Georgia View Post
It might be cheaper to see a psychiatrist ...you have a fetish!

This too.
12-22-2011 08:15 PM
kbwwolf
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Originally Posted by gluestick View Post
Nice jeep and nice pic. See Ken, it's not "murdered out".
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Originally Posted by nycdude777 View Post
Its very nice. I like the flat flares!!! I want those too! The bumper is nice too, personally I like the stubby ones
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Originally Posted by 2012-Rubicon View Post
Well if you only want it for looks you can buy any junk you want. Damn posers.
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Originally Posted by nycdude777 View Post
Now now, I said I want it to look mean, but I want it to look mean when I do this!

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And then I want it to look mean when I park near my building too!
You guys are missing the point, and that's my fault.

Here it is in a nutshell:

You can do more, with less.
12-22-2011 08:12 PM
Georgia
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Originally Posted by nycdude777 View Post
I really like the tall and wide stance. I love to see a lot of the inside of the wheel well on a lifted jeep.
It might be cheaper to see a psychiatrist ...you have a fetish!
12-22-2011 08:12 PM
2012-Rubicon
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Originally Posted by nycdude777
Now now, I said I want it to look mean, but I want it to look mean when I do this!

And then I want it to look mean when I park near my building too!
I like my Terraflex lift 8 flex arm, 3 inch. But its only a little over a month old.....so no long term experience with it.
12-22-2011 08:07 PM
halo216 Yeah skyjacker lifts are not made to be off roaded. Thats what they will tell you if you have any issues with the lift. There a religious company so taking money is no stranger to them.
12-22-2011 08:03 PM
nycdude777 Now now, I said I want it to look mean, but I want it to look mean when I do this!

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And then I want it to look mean when I park near my building too!
12-22-2011 07:59 PM
2012-Rubicon Well if you only want it for looks you can buy any junk you want. Damn posers.
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