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03-12-2012 01:24 PM
jstone326
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Originally Posted by TJDave View Post
Looks great! Glad it worked out for you.
Thanks for the suggestion!
03-12-2012 11:49 AM
Dextreme Great thread! I think I might be double BB stacked in the front (bought it this way) to compensate for a heavy tube bumper and winch. But it rides great as-is on and off road.




03-12-2012 09:49 AM
ajones8230 Thanks. Guess I will play it safe and do the adj track bar. Do you think adj control arms are necessary? Do I go with upper or lower adjustables if I'm buying just one or the other?
03-12-2012 12:09 AM
TJDave
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Originally Posted by jstone326 View Post
So here are before and after pics. After as in after I installed the Rusty's 3" lift springs on the front...
Looks great! Glad it worked out for you.

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Originally Posted by ajones8230 View Post
Put a new bumper and winch on. Front was lower than the rear by 2+ inches. I'm thinking that now with the extra height I will need to add a drop pitman and adjustable trackbar before taking it for alignment.
Yes, adjustable track bar if you want your axle centered. Or, lots of people avoid that by drilling another hole in the axle side mount. I was never a fan of that idea. If you don't get the hole drilled just right, the track bar could rip out of the mount.

I do not think you will need a drop pitman arm. I didn't.
03-11-2012 11:56 PM
ajones8230 Put a new bumper and winch on. Front was lower than the rear by 2+ inches. I'm thinking that now with the extra height I will need to add a drop pitman and adjustable trackbar before taking it for alignment.
03-11-2012 09:37 PM
jstone326
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Originally Posted by ajones8230 View Post
I took out my BB front spacers (left the rear ones) and installed Teraflex 4" lift coil springs in place of the OEM. Now it's slightly higher on the front than the rear (looks great). However, I will have to take to the alignment shop to have the angles put back in place as the DW came back.
Does anyone know if I should consider replacing anything else for better steering, angles, etc? (Adjustable track bar necessary, drop pitman?) Anyone, recommendations, or can I just run with the stock?
Did you put a winch on or something? Or just wanted the front higher?
03-11-2012 08:58 PM
ajones8230
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Originally Posted by jstone326 View Post
No I didn't. Because I wasn't changing the lift height; I used the 3" springs to replace the 2" spacers. I haven't had any alignment problems i.e. no death wobble or anything. I even took the Jeep to like 85 mph with no problems. Plus, the springs increases the ride quality a lot!
I took out my BB front spacers (left the rear ones) and installed Teraflex 4" lift coil springs in place of the OEM. Now it's slightly higher on the front than the rear (looks great). However, I will have to take to the alignment shop to have the angles put back in place as the DW came back.
Does anyone know if I should consider replacing anything else for better steering, angles, etc? (Adjustable track bar necessary, drop pitman?) Anyone, recommendations, or can I just run with the stock?
03-11-2012 09:12 AM
jstone326
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Originally Posted by ajones8230 View Post
After switching springs from OEM to the 3" lift, did you have to have the alignment checked?
No I didn't. Because I wasn't changing the lift height; I used the 3" springs to replace the 2" spacers. I haven't had any alignment problems i.e. no death wobble or anything. I even took the Jeep to like 85 mph with no problems. Plus, the springs increases the ride quality a lot!
03-11-2012 01:00 AM
ajones8230 After switching springs from OEM to the 3" lift, did you have to have the alignment checked?
01-08-2012 06:19 PM
jstone326 So here are before and after pics. After as in after I installed the Rusty's 3" lift springs on the front...

Before:





and After:


01-08-2012 06:12 PM
jstone326
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Originally Posted by Rubishawn View Post
It's been a long time and I gave all the receipts to the buyer, but I used the Pro-Comp ES3000's. I am pretty sure the 324515's for the front and 324500's for the rear. I basically did not want the shocks to limit my "droop"(yes, down travel)--they normally do, so I went with these longer ones to take care of that, but then you have to watch your collapsed length, so not to bottom out.

I ran the front disconnected(rear still connected) off-road, so that's why, if you look it up, the fronts actually can fit a taller lift(3.5"). I also don't run bump stops, as my speeds are slow for the type of wheeling that I do, but this might allow coil bind, which is actually not recommended for the springs, however it worked for me and allowed more "stuff"(up travel) as well.

With this set-up that I explained to you I actually got some awesome flex/articulation. This picture(my old Rubicon) shows a little but it was not even close to its limits and all the tires were on the ground with no locker engaged. Those tires are 33.3" tall by the way
Did you drive that Jeep on-road? B/c wouldn't running no bump-stops make the shocks more prone to blowing out?
01-08-2012 10:42 AM
Rubishawn
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Originally Posted by jstone326 View Post
...and Rubishawn, what shocks did you put in? And what is the "droop factor?" Would that be when you're offroad you want one side to be able to drop down farther?.....
It's been a long time and I gave all the receipts to the buyer, but I used the Pro-Comp ES3000's. I am pretty sure the 324515's for the front and 324500's for the rear. I basically did not want the shocks to limit my "droop"(yes, down travel)--they normally do, so I went with these longer ones to take care of that, but then you have to watch your collapsed length, so not to bottom out.

I ran the front disconnected(rear still connected) off-road, so that's why, if you look it up, the fronts actually can fit a taller lift(3.5"). I also don't run bump stops, as my speeds are slow for the type of wheeling that I do, but this might allow coil bind, which is actually not recommended for the springs, however it worked for me and allowed more "stuff"(up travel) as well.

With this set-up that I explained to you I actually got some awesome flex/articulation. This picture(my old Rubicon) shows a little but it was not even close to its limits and all the tires were on the ground with no locker engaged. Those tires are 33.3" tall by the way
01-07-2012 05:08 PM
jstone326 I actually put on the Rusty's 3" lit springs today which TJDave recommended... it worked! It's all level now ... They also significantly enhanced the ride quality, though I think the handling is slightly worse now, not that that's a huge priority in a Jeep

and Rubishaw, what shocks did you put in? And what is the "droop factor?" Would that be when you're offroad you want one side to be able to drop down farther?

I was looking at the OME heavy duty shocks, which are for if you have an extra 90-180 lbs or so, and the winch+plate is about 120lbs, so that's be perfect. However, they are pretty expensive. Does any one know of any other heavy duty shocks out there?

Thanks
01-07-2012 01:53 PM
Rubishawn I to had the same winch and I just put an extra 1" spacer in mine to level it on top of the BB with no problems--cost me $35 but I did replace the shocks though for adding the important droop factor.

As for the sort of death wobble, I too would look to the panhard bar first, but it could be almost anything or a combination of things
01-04-2012 09:13 PM
jstone326
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Originally Posted by TJDave View Post
I went with Skyjacker Hydros. They have different lengths depending on the amount of lift, and the ride is pretty good for an inexpensive shock.

I used to have Tera discos for a 2-4" lift I think. They were longer than stock. Plenty of people have made home made discos out of the stockers. I am not sure if they will work with a lift. Maybe someone can chime in on that question. But, the upper joint is a weak point on the stock links. Mine broke.
How did yours break?... btw, I ordered those Rusty's 3" lift springs you recommended, hopefully it'll work!

edit: And I just checked the tracking, and they should be here 2m! Maybe I'll be able to put them in this weekend, its supposed to get up to a balmy 50 degrees saturday
12-30-2011 05:16 AM
TJDave I went with Skyjacker Hydros. They have different lengths depending on the amount of lift, and the ride is pretty good for an inexpensive shock.

I used to have Tera discos for a 2-4" lift I think. They were longer than stock. Plenty of people have made home made discos out of the stockers. I am not sure if they will work with a lift. Maybe someone can chime in on that question. But, the upper joint is a weak point on the stock links. Mine broke.
12-29-2011 12:09 PM
jstone326
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Originally Posted by TJDave View Post
$99.00 for the pair. I had already installed longer shocks when I put the front sway bar disconnects in. Did not drop the whole axle. No need. Jackstands, disconnect shocks, used jack to push up one side of axle while the other side drooped enough to do the swap.
Cool!... Do you think the longer shocks are necessary? What shocks did you put on?... I would definitely like to avoid dropping the whole axle again! And about the discos; I was planning on just making my own by replacing the bolt with a cotter pin or something similar... Is there any reason to buy discos? Are they longer or something?

Thanks
12-29-2011 11:42 AM
TJDave
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Originally Posted by jstone326 View Post
Cool! I think you may be the winner! lol... That sounds like a good idea, $99 each? or for the pair? So you kept the stock shocks?

edit: I just looked them up, $99 for the pair is pretty good!... you like them?
$99.00 for the pair. I had already installed longer shocks when I put the front sway bar disconnects in. Did not drop the whole axle. No need. Jackstands, disconnect shocks, used jack to push up one side of axle while the other side drooped enough to do the swap.
12-29-2011 06:55 AM
jstone326
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Originally Posted by nwbronco View Post
You willneed to put the key in and unlock the steering. Then has someone turn the wheel, lock to lock, while you are underneath looking for anything shifting. It may take a couple of tries. Be thorough and watch every joint.


Bob K.
Gotcha... I'll see what I can do... thanks!
12-28-2011 03:56 PM
nwbronco You willneed to put the key in and unlock the steering. Then has someone turn the wheel, lock to lock, while you are underneath looking for anything shifting. It may take a couple of tries. Be thorough and watch every joint.


Bob K.
12-28-2011 03:48 PM
jstone326
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Originally Posted by TJDave View Post
I used to run a 2" BB. When I bought and installed a winch, I had the same problem.
I bought some 3" Rusty's front springs ($99.00) and replaced the budget boost and the stock springs up front.

Have someone turn the steering wheel back and forth while you look for any movement under the front of your Jeep. Engine off, of course. If there is something loose under there, you should be able to see it.

Here's a pic of the 3" front springs, 2" rear BB.
Another question... when you installed those springs, did you drop the whole axle to do it? Cus that's what I did to install the BB, but idk if there's an easier way to do it, b/c that was a PITA!

Also, can't you not turn wheels back and forth with the engine off? Don't they lock up? Or does it work if the ignition is on?... I'm not home right now, so I can't try it...

thanks
12-28-2011 03:20 PM
jstone326
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Originally Posted by TJDave View Post
I used to run a 2" BB. When I bought and installed a winch, I had the same problem.
I bought some 3" Rusty's front springs ($99.00) and replaced the budget boost and the stock springs up front.

Have someone turn the steering wheel back and forth while you look for any movement under the front of your Jeep. Engine off, of course. If there is something loose under there, you should be able to see it.

Here's a pic of the 3" front springs, 2" rear BB.

Cool! I think you may be the winner! lol... That sounds like a good idea, $99 each? or for the pair? So you kept the stock shocks?

edit: I just looked them up, $99 for the pair is pretty good!... you like them?
12-28-2011 01:32 PM
TJDave I used to run a 2" BB. When I bought and installed a winch, I had the same problem.
I bought some 3" Rusty's front springs ($99.00) and replaced the budget boost and the stock springs up front.

Have someone turn the steering wheel back and forth while you look for any movement under the front of your Jeep. Engine off, of course. If there is something loose under there, you should be able to see it.

Here's a pic of the 3" front springs, 2" rear BB.

12-28-2011 01:27 PM
cedarcreekjerky Could always try some old man emu heavy duty springs
12-28-2011 01:15 PM
jstone326
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Originally Posted by 00tj2 View Post
It seems that more than the new winch and mounting plate is causing your problem. I have a 2000TJ and I run a warn 8000 winch and used to run a plow. I also have 2" BB and the plow would bring the Front down when raised but the winch didn't do anything. Where in ny, maybe a few of us in westchester can get together and give you a hand.
Also, I realize I may not have been clear before... Before I had the winch, there was no unusual rake, I said that there wasn't much spring travel, but it wasn't that the front end was hanging much lower then the back. The back doesn't have much travel either... again, I don't know what it was like before I put on the lift.

I'm gonna check out the steering components for any loosness when I get home from work today, in the last minutes of daylight
12-28-2011 08:26 AM
jstone326
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Originally Posted by 00tj2 View Post
It seems that more than the new winch and mounting plate is causing your problem. I have a 2000TJ and I run a warn 8000 winch and used to run a plow. I also have 2" BB and the plow would bring the Front down when raised but the winch didn't do anything. Where in ny, maybe a few of us in westchester can get together and give you a hand.
Huh, that's weird... next time I'm home, I'll take a picture... it is quite noticeable.

I'm in Southern Westchester...
12-28-2011 07:06 AM
00tj2 It seems that more than the new winch and mounting plate is causing your problem. I have a 2000TJ and I run a warn 8000 winch and used to run a plow. I also have 2" BB and the plow would bring the Front down when raised but the winch didn't do anything. Where in ny, maybe a few of us in westchester can get together and give you a hand.
12-27-2011 09:50 PM
jstone326
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
Yup. I saw the listing for the Jk
I would assume they have the kit for the Tj.

Who knows. The bolt sizes may be the same.

Just google "Poly performance" it was easy to find.
Aight, will do... thanks!
12-27-2011 09:47 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by jstone326

huh, I'll have to look into that... I'm guessing it just upgrades your suspension bolts?
Yup. I saw the listing for the Jk
I would assume they have the kit for the Tj.

Who knows. The bolt sizes may be the same.

Just google "Poly performance" it was easy to find.
12-27-2011 09:39 PM
jstone326
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
Going with the Poly Performance suspension bolt kit. For $65 it's a great reassurance when my new lift is installed.
huh, I'll have to look into that... I'm guessing it just upgrades your suspension bolts?
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